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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?

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To: Peach
You are right, Peach. He did. He was considered a liberal, by any stretch of the imagination, when he was governor. I know, I lived in CA and I voted for him both terms as governor as well as POTUS.

He became much more conservative when he was POTUS and was representing the entire nation instead of liberal California.

NYC is a liberal bastion in this country as well. I don't believe a conservative could be elected there any more than in California.. then or now.

441 posted on 04/21/2007 8:33:07 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: stephenjohnbanker
There are alot of fewer New Yorkers who FReep here and think Rudy is God!


442 posted on 04/21/2007 8:33:39 PM PDT by stuned_beeber (Quit...Give up...Go home...- Vote Democrat!)
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To: MrEdd

Your #90 is right on! Semper Fi Leather Neck!

443 posted on 04/21/2007 8:33:46 PM PDT by semaj (Just shoot the bastards! * Void where prohibited.)
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To: B-Chan

B-Chan, that’s an excellent summary of why Conservatism matters.

444 posted on 04/21/2007 8:33:52 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: areafiftyone


445 posted on 04/21/2007 8:34:31 PM PDT by Enosh (ć)
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To: Reagan Man

#1. I haven’t trashed any of the presidential candidates, but keep lying and pretend I have. You have a nose to brown up to on this thread, after all.

#2. Feel free to check in on my Rudy posts. I’m delighted by his front runner status nationwide, even in the south where we were told the socons would reject him.

#3. And like I said before, it was NOT a few trouble makers largely supporting Alan Keyes and Pat Buchanan in 2000. I know you wish we all had historical amnesia because those two picks never got into double digits as I recall and not a few freepers are feeling marginalized all over again that their candidates this time can’t get out of single digits AGAIN.

446 posted on 04/21/2007 8:34:49 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Salem

Me three!

447 posted on 04/21/2007 8:35:02 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: garv
“Here we have have a candidate with zero credentials on national security issues who has demonstrated a complete and fundamental lack of understanding of the constitution, embraces a radical agenda on cultural issues, has a petty authoritarian streak a mile wide, no history of anything remotely resembling conservatism and a train wreck of a personal life. Yet he’s going to save us from Hillary and the 12th century hordes.

Who’s going to save us from him?”

Yep. You just nailed it.

448 posted on 04/21/2007 8:35:12 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim, it's primary season. Support the person you believe most closely aligns with your values. Do so with vigor. Do so with passion.

I'm not hugely pro Rudy. I can accept him, but I'm not head over heals thrilled by him. I haven't gotten behind a candidate I'm in love with at this time. Thompson looks interesting, but's he's not officially running and his background is now only being pealed back for further examination.

I have no problem with revealing the underbelly of the candidates. As long as it's done constructively, not destructively.

But at some time there will be a standard bearer that probably neither you nor I will be thrilled with. I doubt there will be a viable third party candidate. Perot will probably be the last one for generations, and he blew it when he went off the reservation.

You've been behind President Bush through much of this administration. Yet, while he has given us two justices that appear to be pro life, both during confirmation they pretty much indicated they believed and supported stare decisis. But my guess is they are very pro life and could be a deciding factor on abortion. We don't know for sure.

But you hear very little from President Bush on the leadership of changing the hearts and souls or men and women in this country away from that culture. Maybe one of the strongest keys in changing how we view this procedure and yet we hear little from the bully pulpit. Yet you stand behind him. Is he going to allow his version of judicial fiat make that ruling?

I'm not saying Rudy or McCain or some of the others are the best man for the job. I think any would be better than Clinton or Obama or whoever the dems put up. We may only have the choice between Rudy or Clinton or McCain and Obama. Let's see how this plays out. But in the mean time, some good spirited and informed debate is good for this forum, good for the party and good for the conservative movement.

449 posted on 04/21/2007 8:35:25 PM PDT by joesbucks
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To: eyespysomething

note post

450 posted on 04/21/2007 8:35:26 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic ■Št gehate, ■Št ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille fur­or gan)
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To: semaj
Tolerance of evil is still evil, even if it's only evil 50% of the time.

And when Hitlery, the neo-commies in congress and a liberal SCOTUS stamp out the last line of the Constitution will you say, "At least I tried" or "Good thing we didn't elect another RINO"

451 posted on 04/21/2007 8:35:32 PM PDT by infidel29 (...but sir, if my child had a fever I wouldn't go to a bureaucrat for the diagnosis.)
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To: veronica

Speaking of laughing...I’m sure Mrs. Bill Clinton is splitting the seams of her pantsuit tonight.

452 posted on 04/21/2007 8:35:42 PM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Jim Robinson
No. I like all our guys. I kindaof even like McCaine. . Today he even told to “get a life” regarding his bomb Iran ditty. For once a Repub didn’t apologize. I like it when are guys quit taking it from the moonbats and shove it back in their faces.
453 posted on 04/21/2007 8:35:54 PM PDT by Blackirish
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To: Reagan Man
I think you're a troll. I'll be watching you. Waaaaatching you.
454 posted on 04/21/2007 8:35:55 PM PDT by Registered (Politics is the art of the possible)
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To: Jim Robinson
Don't worry, JimRob!

Fred Dalton Thompson has everything under control.

He wanted to let Rudy McRomney have a free run for awhile so that when he stepped in we'd appreciate him more.

455 posted on 04/21/2007 8:36:06 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Peach

Irrelevant. My pre 2000 views on GWB have nothing whatsoever to do with the very real fact that Rudy Giuliani is an abortionist, gay rights supporting, gun grabbing, illegal alien supporting liberal and is therefore unquestioningly unfit to be the nominee for president from the Republican party.

456 posted on 04/21/2007 8:36:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: rbmillerjr

: )

457 posted on 04/21/2007 8:36:28 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: Jim Robinson
We had one guy trashing the founding fathers today...

Sorry, that happens not to be the case.

The post pointed out a number of historical facts which are not necessarily widely known today.

458 posted on 04/21/2007 8:36:48 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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Yes, I would vote for Attila the Hun, if he was a strong leader and would fight the IslamoThugs with all his might.

That is scary.
There are many that can fight the war on terror, many with much more experience than Rudy
and without the downside of giving up many of our freedoms.

459 posted on 04/21/2007 8:36:58 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball
If Americans are expected to stand behind a president they did not vote for (in theory at least), then why shouldn't we stand behind a nominee that not all of us supported.

well said

460 posted on 04/21/2007 8:37:04 PM PDT by Uncledave
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