Skip to comments.Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.
One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to rule over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.
All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.
FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?
Do you really expect me to do that?
Every single one of these Rudy supporters who talk about how crucial it is to defeat Hillary would be supporting Hillary if she merely had an ‘R’ next to her name.
The Republican party is not the conservative party. It’s more conservative than the Democratic party, but it’s not the conservative party and hasn’t been for decades.
The Republican party is a coalition of factions - fiscal conservatives, social conservatives, libertarians, moderates, and liberals.
You can’t be a viable party and win major elections if you drive out all but the social conservatives.
I did not even reference what they call themselves. I have no fear of Democrats, but I'm concerned about their leftward lurch.
Politics are always in flux. You can't make it so, by declaring it so. You must realize that opinions differ, and that difference is substantive, between the two fringes. It the middle, it is muddled, mixed and it (the center) shifts, back and forth. The reality of that shift dictates the politics employed to win National elections.
This is why McCain led in the early polls, and why Rudy has so much support.
Denying that this does not exist, is pointless and dangerous. You do so at your political peril.
I hate to break this to you but even after an abortion, that memory remains regardless.
If an unborn child is removed as I ponder, to them, it is gone. That is something they have to accept as the life of the unborn continues without them.
To whatever extent number three has any truth to it, that too can be directly traced to the dealmaking you’re so hot on.
“but its not the conservative party and hasnt been for decades.”
Then maybe it’s time that changed.
Moral character is what will hold your country together. Just bumping up your post. One of the best I’ve seen on this thread. It is not just about National Security. That is only a part of a bigger picture.
“You cant be a viable party and win major elections if you drive out all but the social conservatives”
You can’t win EVER if you run a Rudy, who is to the left of many democrats.
Why is the abortion lobby against abstinence education?
Why are they against information pamphlets which explain adoption as an alternative to abortion?
Why are they against showing the pregnant girl ultrasound images of her unborn baby?
I am not sure if you are disingenuous or naive. Abortion is a form of population control.
I will ask you the same thing I ask others who make the point you make. Wasn’t organ transplantation considered “pie in the sky” at one time too? You bet it was. Be honest with yourself and admit that.
I fully understand what the choices are right now, that is precisely why I seek another one. Am I to think you only want to leave it as those choices and not seek another?
Fine. You’ll have a party with far less than 50% of the vote. Try winning elections that way.
"Social conservatives" are the majority in the GOP, and are its ground troops. They are also its conscience.
Ignore your conscience and real bad stuff is going to happen to you. And, as a political party, stiffing your base is the fastest way to lose elections.
“I hate to break this to you but even after an abortion, that memory remains regardless.”
Nope. You’re wrong.
I know of more than one woman who has had an abortion that wouldn’t even think twice about the loss of life.
It isn’t anymore ‘memorable’to them than taking a pill in the morning to ensure their ‘fun’ never ends.
Your ‘moral’ convictions aren’t theirs.
You respect a woman who chooses vanity over life? If her figure is that important, that she would kill for it, why can she not give up sex for it?
“Fine. Youll have a party with far less than 50% of the vote. Try winning elections that way.”
The first step is usually the hardest.
If all choices are valid then it is contradictory to at the same time assume that a choice to refuse to concede that all choices are valid is invalid. A statement that violates its own terms may rightly be considered as self-refuting and incoherent.
Am I not taking a position of supporting choice and supporting life and seeking to end abortion? By your own statement I would be in the correct forum.
What about my position would put me in the wrong forum?
Here are excerpts from Mr. Hensy's opus. It was post #4838 and it was pulled. It confirms that he DID intend the Nazi and the Big Brother references.
Hey dopey, I'm 6'4'', 250 lbs., and if you spoke to me in person in the manner in which you have in this forum you'd be picking your two teeth off the sidewalk.I only implied the truth. Jhensy confirmed that I was right and showed himself the door.
...Now run like a little brownshirt to your master and get the bad man purged.
To Jim Robinson: ...I'm sorry it has to end this way. Free Republic has been my homebase for years now. So long folks!
Mr. Robinson, you said, "FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents." You cited numerous examples of how horribly off-course the direction of our nation has become. You also stated that the root causes of the problems you identified was expanded socialism and tyranny. Furthermore, you correctly observed that it was "liberalism" that promotes socialism and tyranny.
You also said, "FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it?"
The only misstatement you've made is using the word "if." It becomes increasingly apparent with each passing week that the republican party continues to ease closer and closer to the left while assuring their membership that they are actually acting in the best interests of conservatism and demanding trust, support and cash donations. The ship of conservatism, personal freedom, and constitutional representation has sailed and the gop was seen standing on the dock waving good-bye.
Of course the democrats are far worse, but both parties DO share one particular position without compromise, that the OTHER party is the real enemy and everything THEY do is so unacceptable that they would never support their position no matter what.
Meanwhile the faithful followers of each party continue to send checks and write on blogs and beat their chests over the evil that lurks on the other side of the aisle.
The American people have been divided and are well into the process of being conquered.
You are indeed correct, government sponsored socialism and political tyranny are the enemies, regardless of which letter of the alphabet follows the name of the bureaucrat who wants your blood.
Do I expect you to bow down and accept this fate at the hands of the party who once claimed to be the party of smaller government?
No, I fully expect you to take a stand and to be committed to what is right.
Explain partial birth abortion. The death of the baby IS the desired result.
Explain all the aborted babies who survive, but are left to die alone in a back room.