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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: Just sayin
Personally, I would like to see a day come where a pregnancy can be removed from a female who does not wish to remain pregnant without ending the pregnancy itself.

Can you please explain to me how "a pregnancy can be removed from a female" "without ending the pregnancy itself"? I'm trying to figure out how a mother can be both pregnant and not pregnant at the same time. You terminated your mother's pregnancy - by being born. So what are you talking about? Was your mother's pregnancy "removed" from her "without ending her pregnancy?

You repeat mindless euphemisms and slogans, even to the point of making literally nonsense statements. Why?

You don't want to call a baby a baby. You call a preborn baby a "pregnancy", which from the baby's point of view, is an absurdity.

If you have to dress something up to cover up the truth of what's happening, it's probably a good idea to assume that there's something wrong with it.

Cordially,

4,951 posted on 04/23/2007 11:23:04 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: Pukin Dog

Buh bye.


4,952 posted on 04/23/2007 11:23:15 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: kellynch; Jim Robinson

You guys just love to smear Reagan to justify Rudy’s liberalism don’t you?


4,953 posted on 04/23/2007 11:23:47 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: kellynch
Is that you, Peach?

I don’t recall the Gipper dressing in drag? I don’t recall the Gipper chasing around on anybody while he was in private life.

But this is the point we make about you folks. You are defending an indefensible candidate, so you take your slime and throw it at the memory of Ronald Reagan, one of our greatest presidents, and a beloved figure on this board.

You win no one to Rudy with that approach and Mr. Robinson has condemned those who trash the Gipper to build up Rudy. All you are doing is stoking our fire. There is no condition, under any circumstance, that I would vote for that man. I will take a hike, go third party, or whatever. All you are doing in attacking the greatest conservative president, is making those who oppose Rudy very very angry.

4,954 posted on 04/23/2007 11:24:35 AM PDT by Luke21 (No Rudy. No way.)
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To: Jim Robinson

You’re welcome Jim..

I love you and FR and I love the FReepers (even when they act unlovable)


4,955 posted on 04/23/2007 11:24:51 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Miss Marple
.. Want to know why I joined [that site]? So I could talk to some people who are my friends who aren't here any more, like Arne Fufkin, MadIvan, and now PhiKapMom ..

Pardon me, but would you direct me to that site? Thanks -

4,956 posted on 04/23/2007 11:25:05 AM PDT by MrNatural ("...You want the truth!?...")
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To: DBeers

Yep. The Rudy Rooters are hard core leftists through and through.


4,957 posted on 04/23/2007 11:25:24 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: del4hope

Keep praying ...

God is still interested in America....


4,958 posted on 04/23/2007 11:26:40 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: kellynch

Well, at least you are doing your bit for the environment by recycling slime. Rudy would be proud.


4,959 posted on 04/23/2007 11:27:37 AM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: EveningStar
I should be saying, “all-or-nothing conservatives."

Bumps to that.

4,960 posted on 04/23/2007 11:27:43 AM PDT by cicero's_son (Vote Rudy! Annoy a wingnut.)
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To: Luke21; kellynch; Jim Robinson

Comparing Rudy to Reagan on marriage would have been like comparing John sKerry to George Washington because both of them married incredibly wealthy widows.

It is beneath contempt.


4,961 posted on 04/23/2007 11:27:54 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Just sayin

You said:

““Did it ever occur to you that most by far just don’t want to be pregnant and that abortion is the only way out they have today?”

And my reply was ‘ABSTINENCE’ which was my response to your question of ‘just don’t WANT to be pregnant’.

If you don’t want to be pregnant then DON’T GET PREGNANT!

After the fact is irrelevant to the cause of pregnancy.


4,962 posted on 04/23/2007 11:28:19 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Politicalmom

This thread reminds me of ‘Crimson Tide Free For All’ when Alabama is hiring another new coach..
http://www.al.com/forums/tide/

Some folks there will not accept the fact that Bear Bryant is dead and gone. There will never be another like him.
Some folks here will not accept the fact that Ronald Reagan is dead and gone. There will never be another like him.
The faster some Alabama fans and some Freepers come to grips with the facts, the better off everyone will be.


4,963 posted on 04/23/2007 11:30:37 AM PDT by Crawdad (I cried because I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no class.)
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To: flashbunny

LOL, cut the drama, it does not work with me.


4,964 posted on 04/23/2007 11:30:42 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: EveningStar

“Turning the Republican party into a minority party that can’t win elections is not a positive thing.”

Winning elections by having to sacrifice your principals isn’t either.

It can’t be ‘anybody but a democrat’ anymore. Because if you sacrifice your beliefs for a ‘win’ then you haven’t won anything.


4,965 posted on 04/23/2007 11:31:18 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: All

I’m starting to wonder if this is a contest and someone has promised a Rudy bumper sticker to anyone who can get banned before the 5000th post.


4,966 posted on 04/23/2007 11:31:19 AM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: Cold Heat

“It’s happened before, and will happen again. It’s actually getting to be a predictable thing around here.”

For the liberals, yes.


4,967 posted on 04/23/2007 11:32:02 AM PDT by dmw (Conservatives do NOT vote for liberals.)
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To: wagglebee
“Yep. The Rudy Rooters are hard core leftists through and through.”

I’m beginning to think so. Their rhetorical arguments are from the left. I don’t know why they aren’t at DU, and I’m not trying to be insulting.

Once, during the Bushbot wars, I was so mad at the prez, I got an account over there and started posting, figuring maybe I could be a right wing fly on the wall. I selected my posts very carefully, and stayed about a week. But the premises of their threads were so far left I got bored.

I can honestly say I wasn’t badly treated, but they did’nt know I was a Freeper either. I don’t even remember what screenname I used.

4,968 posted on 04/23/2007 11:32:35 AM PDT by Luke21 (No Rudy. No way.)
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To: Dances With No One; Pukin Dog
"Real conservatives can deal with opposing opinions."

Get real!

Real conservatives would immediately rule out an abortionist, gay agenda advancing, NARAL pushing, illegal alien sanctioning national security risk, gun grabbing, constitution trampling, absolute disaster and joke of a man from any consideration whatsoever for the office of President of the United States and leader of the free world. Ideology matters. Character matters. Life matters.

There's nothing to debate. You're either pro God, family, Life and Liberty or your not. He's not. End of story.

4,969 posted on 04/23/2007 11:34:47 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

I think it is important that we all write to our local/state and national GOP offices telling them we do not want Rudy as our candidate. They need to know we are not all willing to settle for an R beside a liberal’s name.


4,970 posted on 04/23/2007 11:35:13 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (I won't settle)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Thank you. That was marvelous not a rant.
4,971 posted on 04/23/2007 11:35:44 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Luke21

The true colors of the Rudyites have certainly been displayed over the past several weeks.

They have even started their own anti-Freeper sight where they have “closed” threads where they criticize FR and conservatives in general. At least when the DUmmies are criticizing us they have enough integrity to do it out in the open and don’t spend some of their time over here pretending to be conservatives.


4,972 posted on 04/23/2007 11:36:37 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Jim Robinson

“There’s nothing to debate. You’re either pro God, family, Life and Liberty or your not. He’s not. End of story.”

Here.Here!


4,973 posted on 04/23/2007 11:37:18 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: processing please hold

Thanks, but I’ve been holding back for 24 hours...


4,974 posted on 04/23/2007 11:37:23 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Crawdad

Now, now, as an Auburn grad living in AL, I can appreciate your comment. All is well with Saban for now, and he is putting the pressers in their place. The fans are treating him like he is the second coming of Bear. All will be well unless he loses that one game the third weekend in November.

HOWEVER, it is not impossible to expect that Alabama could become a powerhouse again with the right coach.

I am not looking for Reagan. I AM looking for a man, yes a man, who will NOT compromise conservative values. That sir, is not an impossibility to achieve.


4,975 posted on 04/23/2007 11:39:03 AM PDT by del4hope (If your candidate doesn't respect an unborn life, they don't respect your life either.)
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To: del4hope

Ahhhh Go Vols Go...

ROFL


4,976 posted on 04/23/2007 11:40:47 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana
You're very welcome and God bless you.

United we stand! :-)

4,977 posted on 04/23/2007 11:41:10 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Jim Robinson
"..do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting..

Do you really expect me to do that?"

I hope you don't.

4,978 posted on 04/23/2007 11:41:26 AM PDT by Designer II
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To: NittanyLion
“Some time back I was quite agitated about the leadership (or lack thereof) displayed by the Bush Administration and GOP. I was running all over threads blasting them for CFR, the Farm Bill, Prescription Drug Plan, etc.

Then Jim posted a thread stating that this forum would be used to support the GOP in that election cycle. At that point I had a choice: continue to post my views or respect his wishes.”

I did the same. I have been angry at the president more often than not during the second term. When Jim asked that we cool the Bushbot rhetoric, I took it to heart, though I’ve never been told anything personally. I cooled my rhetoric, spent some time on other sites, and tried to find common ground when I was here. I was rooting for the party and certainly voted. It wasn’t that hard.

But the Rudy people often act like they have third degree burns when it comes to their candidate. Many, but not all, are deliberately confrontational and don’t even make an effort to refute lengthy and well thought out posts. This is a good board, the best in the world. I’ve visited the others. We are fortunate to have it.

4,979 posted on 04/23/2007 11:42:47 AM PDT by Luke21 (No Rudy. No way.)
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To: kellynch
There is no comparison whatsoever between Ronald Reagan and Rudy Giuliani. Rudy is an absolute disgrace as a man and a nightmare to conservatism.

If you continue trying to tear down great conservatives to Rudy’s low life level, you’re account will be banned. And that’s a campaign promise you can take to the bank.

4,980 posted on 04/23/2007 11:43:37 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: 68 grunt
That fifth columnist disruptor dweebs like you are orchestrating it!

You're still as lame as ever, troll.

4,981 posted on 04/23/2007 11:44:19 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Laws that infringe on unalienable rights are not laws at all...they are in fact lawless edicts.)
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To: Tennessee Nana
I've been following your posts and they're articulate, sober and engaging.

Thanks for your rant....it is well taken.

I too ranted...(on another thread) to some folks I have cared for a very long time.....and will cherish in memory what use to be...(I know I burned my bridges..)

I am and will reflect on your post....

...I will take some time off to do just this....

We will prevail....Free Republic will prevail.

Thank-you...and you make an excellent point about taking all this to prayer.

I need to remember what I've forgotten.

God bless you.

4,982 posted on 04/23/2007 11:44:36 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: Miss Marple
And if you know I post over there, I guess you are reading over there, too. You could try joining, but I suppose you're not interested.

If I came over and joined would you let me in the top secret squirrel hideout? No, you say anyone can join, but only the select are really let in. If your place is so nice and sweet, then why when I posted a link to a thread there was that thread YANKED? What did you all have to hide over there?

4,983 posted on 04/23/2007 11:44:46 AM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

LOL, are we hijacking the thread????


4,984 posted on 04/23/2007 11:44:58 AM PDT by del4hope (If your candidate doesn't respect an unborn life, they don't respect your life either.)
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To: Bigh4u2
"It can’t be ‘anybody but a democrat’ anymore. Because if you sacrifice your beliefs for a ‘win’ then you haven’t won anything. "

Well said. If you vote for someone who does not represent your views, no one will know your views. Your choices will get worse and worse. Any party candidate on the ballot that wants my vote, earns my vote and it won't be GOP if Rudy is their man.

4,985 posted on 04/23/2007 11:45:59 AM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: del4hope

LOL

I think we want to be #5,000

ROFL


4,986 posted on 04/23/2007 11:46:32 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I'm breaking my silence to point out that you're flat out wrong on just about everything you posted here, "Charles." It isn't the Rudy supporters who are belligerent, rather it's his detractors. And the "other site" you supposedly followed us to is not a place where folks are "plotting" against "real conservatives. " You're exhibiting the kind of paranoia or other mental illness that seems to be affecting most on FR these days. To understand the attitudes and behavior of most of the remnant on FR these days, one needs only to read the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th ed.

You've gotten what you want -- you've all driven the pragmatic conservatives from FR. Why don't you stop obsessing about where they've all gone and what they're all doing, and enjoy your barren political existence.

4,987 posted on 04/23/2007 11:46:33 AM PDT by My2Cents
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To: oceanview

I’ve got a real shocker for you. Rudy is a NARAL supporting butcher. Get real or get out!!


4,988 posted on 04/23/2007 11:48:20 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: EveningStar
I should be saying, “all-or-nothing conservatives.”

As opposed to your faction, the "all for liberals, nothing for conservatives" faction, of course.

4,989 posted on 04/23/2007 11:48:34 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Laws that infringe on unalienable rights are not laws at all...they are in fact lawless edicts.)
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To: wagglebee
Let them have their site. I’ll even give a few bucks if they promise to stay there.

Same with LP. They were a bunch of disgruntled Freepers who seem to be all over the map politically. They hate Bush. They hate Thompson. They hate the GOP. There is nothing that brings optimism over there. I joined during the Bushbot wars and spent a lot of time there while the Giulianites seemed to be in control here. Now it’s pretty dead most of the time.

This is the place, guys. It rocks.

4,990 posted on 04/23/2007 11:48:45 AM PDT by Luke21 (No Rudy. No way.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Thank you, Jim.

It TURNS MY STOMACH when ANYONE tries to compare President Reagan's personal life to the absolute TRAIN WRECK of a personal life of liberal, serial adulterer like Guiliani. It's sickening.

4,991 posted on 04/23/2007 11:48:54 AM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative candidate who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal who will DIVIDE it!)
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To: Doohickey

It’ll hit 6k by days end...


4,992 posted on 04/23/2007 11:49:05 AM PDT by rockrr (Never argue with a man who buys ammo in bulk...)
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To: del4hope

My dad is an Auburn grad, API ‘49. My wife and I are Bammers, ‘82 and ‘83. My dad, the 80-year-old Auburn grad who lives in Montgomery, told me last week George Bush stole the 2000 election. I said, “Holy David Langner, Dad!” and changed the subject.
You said you were looking for a man who will NOT compromise conservative values.
I don’t know if a man like that exists in the political arena today.
I really have problems with any man who has a history of not being able to keep his weiner in his pants, and there are quite a few of those around.
America has never elected a president whose last name ends in a,e,i,o,or u. I don’t see that changing for a long time.


4,993 posted on 04/23/2007 11:49:26 AM PDT by Crawdad (I cried because I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no class.)
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To: Jim Robinson
"There's nothing to debate. You're either pro God, family, Life and Liberty or your not. He's not. End of story."

Righto or put another way 'you are either with us or against us'.

4,994 posted on 04/23/2007 11:49:27 AM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: rockrr

Could get to 6,000 but right now it/s closing on 5,000


4,995 posted on 04/23/2007 11:50:12 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: ex-snook

marking spot


4,996 posted on 04/23/2007 11:50:26 AM PDT by RobFromGa (This tagline intentionally left blank.)
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To: Jim Robinson
"There's nothing to debate."

and this approach to opposing opinions differs from:

Stalin,

Ahmadinejad,

Castro, et all,

HOW????

buh bye.

4,997 posted on 04/23/2007 11:51:22 AM PDT by Dances With No One
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To: Crawdad

How do you spell Monroe?


4,998 posted on 04/23/2007 11:51:23 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: Tennessee Nana

Getting closer to 5,000


4,999 posted on 04/23/2007 11:51:25 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

yes


5,000 posted on 04/23/2007 11:51:42 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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