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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: rbmillerjr
but Peach asked to be zotted over and over again. She obviously wanted out of FR.

Peach used to be Steynfan at the site where all the liberals have scooted off to. Now she's Peach.

Peach (Member)
Account Created Mar 10th 2007 Last Active 18 minutes ago Visit Count 144 Discussions Created 9 Comments Added 206

Anyone else notice a pattern here? They run off to MadIvan's temper tantrum induced site, post for a month or so, then they finally pull their opus stunts and intentionally get themselves banned here. Bizarre behavior.

Look at the description of the site and their stated principles. The word "conservative" doesn't appear. Very telling. I hope that all 160 of the bitter liberals have lots of jolly fun over there. I just don't know why they have to keep bothering us and disrupting our stated mission over here.

5,051 posted on 04/23/2007 12:19:32 PM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: wagglebee

“Why is there a desire on the part of some (18 as best I can tell) to DESTROY CONSERVATISM just to get a liberal in the White House with an “R” after his name?”

Because the loss of 2006 was devastating to some and the rush for ‘anybody but hillary’ is based on hysteria, and not logic.


5,052 posted on 04/23/2007 12:19:33 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Bigh4u2

They won’t do that. That would be the PRICIPLED way to leave.

They work to be zotted so they can blame FR. Typical lib behavior.


5,053 posted on 04/23/2007 12:19:45 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Better a democrat with an energized opposition than a leftist ôRepublicanö with no opposition.)
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To: Politicalmom

DRAT. “PRINCIPLED”


5,054 posted on 04/23/2007 12:20:11 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Better a democrat with an energized opposition than a leftist ôRepublicanö with no opposition.)
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To: Luke21
I used to enjoy reading MiaT's anti-Clinton rants,,,,but she lost ALL CREDIBILITY with me,,,when she starting supporting and pushing the candidate who is the most liberal, arrogant, power-hungry, narcissitic NY lawyer (the male one),,,

and who happens to be the candidate that is ALSO the biggest Clinton DEFENDER,,,and MOST VOCAL Clinton apologist!! (And she did this BEFORE the nomination of that Clinton apologist. A bit too much hypocrisy for me)

5,055 posted on 04/23/2007 12:21:12 PM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative candidate who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal who will DIVIDE it!)
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To: Jim Robinson

For all of you Thompson supporters caught up in this thread... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1822196/posts


5,056 posted on 04/23/2007 12:21:14 PM PDT by politicalwit (Family values don't stop at the border...but Federal laws do.)
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To: StarFan

“we lost two freepers (MiaT and Peach) who did incredible research and added so much to the forum. Let’s hope, once cooler heads prevail”

Hugh, cooler heads, how about coolin down that Peach cobbler. She was warned and was over the top...she literally begged to be zapped. I don’t think Peach is ready to reform herself based on her vitriol.


5,057 posted on 04/23/2007 12:21:15 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Message to radical jihadis...come to my hood, it's understood ------ it's open season" Stuck Mojo)
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To: Politicalmom

“Typical lib behavior.”

And the sad thing is, they don’t see it.

Hence my tag line.


5,058 posted on 04/23/2007 12:22:23 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Spiff
I just don't know why they have to keep bothering us and disrupting our stated mission over here.

Because we, and our mission, are in their way.

5,059 posted on 04/23/2007 12:23:13 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. Ů)
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To: del4hope

What was in it besides her usual hundreds of graphics where Hillary looked like the “Bride of Frankenstein?”


5,060 posted on 04/23/2007 12:23:15 PM PDT by Luke21 (No Rudy. No way.)
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To: Just sayin

I can say I’ve voted a straight R ticket several times, but that doesn’t mean I’m a straight-R voter. In fact, some would be surprised whom I chose when Huffington was my congressman and he was running for Senator in California. But I do think my assessment of the character at that time turned out to be correct.

This time around I definitely intend to vote straight R, but it might not necessarily mean I voted for Rudy if he’s the nominee.


5,061 posted on 04/23/2007 12:23:31 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: EternalVigilance
You're still as lame as ever, troll.

And you're still as divisive as ever, disruptor.

5,063 posted on 04/23/2007 12:23:53 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: cicero's_son
If Rudy comes through the primaries, it will be because he managed to earn the support of a very large number of right-of-center voters.

Not necessarily. Based on the current polls, Rudy could win a series of states with 30% of the vote, with several conservatives splitting the remaining 70%. Rudy could win the nomination with just the RINO vote and a minority of the moderate/conservative vote.

5,064 posted on 04/23/2007 12:25:00 PM PDT by stillonaroll (Rudy: pro-abortion, pro-gay, anti-gun)
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To: BykrBayb; Spiff
I just don't know why they have to keep bothering us and disrupting our stated mission over here.

I heard they were all at Redstate.

Probably not enough fun over there.
5,065 posted on 04/23/2007 12:25:31 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: stockstrader

The thing that amazes me about the aforementioned poster, is that if you truly loathe Hillary Clinton, the last person you want to support or nominate is the guy who bailed in 2000 and gave her the seat of her power.


5,066 posted on 04/23/2007 12:26:18 PM PDT by Luke21 (No Rudy. No way.)
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To: Cold Heat
Tough love, or whatever............Sometimes the hard way is preferable.

Fighting for your principles IS 'the hard way'...

You're flopping around like a fish on dry land...

5,067 posted on 04/23/2007 12:26:24 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat (I love dialoging. It's a great way to pick up chicks! (*obscure cinema refence - all rights reserved)
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To: 68 grunt
And you're still as divisive as ever, disruptor.

There's a time to divide the sheep from the goats. This is one of them.

5,068 posted on 04/23/2007 12:26:44 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Laws that infringe on unalienable rights are not laws at all...they are in fact lawless edicts.)
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To: My2Cents
You've gotten what you want -- you've all driven the pragmatic conservatives from FR.

Reality is that they made that choice for themselves. But regardless of how it happened, I suspect it's a good thing. FreeRepublic has a mission of advancing conservatism, and undoubtedly the other site has a mission of its own. Better that each one attempts to advance the cause in its own way then have one site's members constantly at odds with each other.

5,069 posted on 04/23/2007 12:27:12 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: Kevmo

You voted for Feinstein?


5,070 posted on 04/23/2007 12:27:43 PM PDT by Luke21 (No Rudy. No way.)
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To: Spiff

Keep up the nameplates from this other site. It’s good to know which ones really despise our mission enough to go form their own circus.


5,071 posted on 04/23/2007 12:30:19 PM PDT by Luke21 (No Rudy. No way.)
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To: Luke21
Exactly!!! Add THAT to my list also.

If Guiliani wanted to do his Party, his state, his country a GREAT SERVICE--he could have removed her from the Senate this last November!!

He might have actually gained some conservative support for that huge accomplishment by keeping the Senate in Republican control!! He could have ALSO destroyed the mere thought of Hillary being a Pres candidate now (much like what happened to George Allen).

Rudy can 'spare us his efforts' now. And after all her anti-Clinton rants, MiaT supports him now? Give me a break.

5,072 posted on 04/23/2007 12:30:26 PM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative candidate who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal who will DIVIDE it!)
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To: del4hope; Crawdad
I was repeating what was posted to me and that poster has been banned. I have never seen it confirmed...and will give them the benefit of the doubt. Patti could have been a preemie and there is the saying "The first can come anytime, the rest take 9 months."

In any case, it is irrelevant since Reagan did the "right" thing.

5,073 posted on 04/23/2007 12:31:37 PM PDT by daisyscarlett
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To: Bigh4u2

As I have posted here several times, the last time the ‘Rats nominated a nonincumbent who was the “clear frontrunner” and that person actually went on to win the presidency was 115 years ago.


5,074 posted on 04/23/2007 12:31:46 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Bigh4u2

I think dances with nobody in perticular or whatever the heck their name was, hasn’t even been here a year.


5,075 posted on 04/23/2007 12:32:21 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: wagglebee

Are you talking to me?


5,076 posted on 04/23/2007 12:32:36 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic ■Št gehate, ■Št ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille fur­or gan)
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To: stockstrader
That’s a great point. Rudy wouldn’t run for anything less than president after handing the Hildabeast her senate seat. Nothing in between. President is all he wants to run for.
5,077 posted on 04/23/2007 12:32:36 PM PDT by Luke21 (No Rudy. No way.)
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To: My2Cents

For a note denouncing the claim of belligerance, it was pretty belligerant.

I was, I’ll admit, using a bit of hyperbole about the other site “plotting the overthrow of conservativism”. Anyway, I understand that happens in the secret room which so far as you know I don’t have access to..... :-)

The Rudy supporters have been quite belligerant. I know because I’ve gotten some pretty interesting responses and my posts are rather issues-focused. And I read every rudy thread, so I’ve seen most everything written.

The cutesy “LOL” stuff doesn’t hide the harshness of the “our guy’s in the lead, get used to it, you are all losers, too bad for you” tone of many of the rudy posters.

This site isn’t to cheerlead for a liberal, it’s to push conservative principles.

BTW, I’m not into paranoia. I only mention it to counter the crododile tears for those who seem to have deliberately gotten themselves banned after establishing themselves at the other site, where they seem to do the same things only without having to answer real criticism of thier candidate.

But more power to them, everybody has the right to their own web presence.

I do feel honored that my posts caused you sufficient consternation that you felt compelled to break your silence for me. Thanks. Even if you did so mostly to launch an ad-hominem attack on me suggesting I needed psychiatric treatment.

It would have been more helpful if you would offer actual facts about anything I said that is wrong.


5,078 posted on 04/23/2007 12:32:36 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: nopardons

Okay Ive only been lurking lately, but I have to admit that Ive read nearly this whole thread and missed seeing you!:) Have you forgotten FR?-its just not a debate with out seeing your posts!


5,079 posted on 04/23/2007 12:33:10 PM PDT by OMalley (Just say NO to Rudy "Tootsie" Giuliani-GO Duncan Hunter 08:))
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To: stockstrader
If Guiliani wanted to do his Party, his state, his country a GREAT SERVICE--he could have removed her from the Senate this last November!!

I've said that hundreds of times in here and the Rudy Rooters have yet to come up with a logical explanation as to why he didn't.

5,080 posted on 04/23/2007 12:33:13 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Luke21

I have wondered if it could happen again too.


5,081 posted on 04/23/2007 12:33:21 PM PDT by del4hope (If your candidate doesn't respect an unborn life, they don't respect your life either.)
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To: daisyscarlett

That’s why it is OUTRAGEOUS that any JulieAnnie apologist would EVEN BRING IT UP!


5,082 posted on 04/23/2007 12:33:26 PM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative candidate who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal who will DIVIDE it!)
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To: stockstrader
If Guiliani wanted to do his Party, his state, his country a GREAT SERVICE--he could have removed her from the Senate this last November!!

Giuliani couldn't afford being elected to the US Senate. He did not want any evidence of a Senate record to hinder his run for president.

5,083 posted on 04/23/2007 12:34:34 PM PDT by politicalwit (Family values don't stop at the border...but Federal laws do.)
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To: processing please hold

I didn’t check the signup date.

The post was disturbing enough.


5,084 posted on 04/23/2007 12:35:41 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: politicalwit

Good point!! And so far you are correct—that strategy IS working for him (at least for some of his apologists).


5,085 posted on 04/23/2007 12:36:14 PM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative candidate who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal who will DIVIDE it!)
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To: Spiff
If it’s the same MadIvan as here, how many times has he stomped off FR, a bazillion?
5,086 posted on 04/23/2007 12:36:54 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: CharlesWayneCT; Peach; kevkrom

You continue to misrepresent what Mia T said. What Mia T said is this:

1- Mia T said Thompson has no EXECUTIVE experience, not no experience. (playing president onstage doesn’t count.)

2- Mia T said Fred is part of DC power structure because in addition to serving as Sen. for 8 yrs. he was a WASHINGTON LOBBYIST FOR 18 YRS.

3- Mia T didn’t claim he was running to take conservatives from Rudy; she said that it was A PLAUSIBLE THEORY AND THAT THE RECENT POLL RESULTS DEMONSTRATE THAT EFFECT AND, AS SUCH, ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE THEORY.

4- Mia t didn’t bring up Thompson on her thread. kevkrom did. kevkrom suggested Thompson was an example of a citizen politician. Mia T’s answer refuted kevkrom’s erroneous claim.

Oh, another thing. You are running around saying that Mia T’s 2 deleted posts are the cause of the banning. Not so. They were about relatively benign stuff about Thompson, deregulation and the S&L débacle.

Two deleted posts are Mia T’s and one belongs to kevkrom. Mia T misread kevkrom’s prior post and posted a wrong answer in those 2 posts, immediately realized her mistake and requested deletion so she could correct, which she did. But before they were deleted kevkrom answered Mia T’s erroneous answer. So Mia T asked kevkrom to delete the response to her (Mia’s) erroneous response and wait til she posted a correction, which kevkrom did.

BOTTOM LINE: THE 3 DELETIONS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BANNING. The deletions were simply a result of Mia T misreading kevkrom’s post. The corrected posts followed.

Why do you persist in posting these lies?
It is telling that you never debated Mia T when she was there to respond.


5,087 posted on 04/23/2007 12:37:06 PM PDT by jla
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To: Cyber Liberty

Now you gave away the secret plan to cleanse our site :-)


5,088 posted on 04/23/2007 12:37:14 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Politicalmom

As soon as I saw this note, I knew the person you were responding to was zotted. And I was right.

The lesson to posters — don’t make up stuff about Ronald Reagan, especially to promote Rudy. You will be zotted.


5,089 posted on 04/23/2007 12:38:30 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Spiff
Anyone else notice a pattern here? They run off to MadIvan's temper tantrum induced site, post for a month or so, then they finally pull their opus stunts and intentionally get themselves banned here. Bizarre behavior.

Look at the description of the site and their stated principles. The word "conservative" doesn't appear. Very telling. I hope that all 160 of the bitter liberals have lots of jolly fun over there. I just don't know why they have to keep bothering us and disrupting our stated mission over here.

Also, Jim Rob knew what he was doing when he started these threads. House cleaning!

5,090 posted on 04/23/2007 12:39:34 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: del4hope
I’ll go as far as to say that Giuliani is a fop for the Clintons. He’s their Wendell Willkie, who was a registered Democrat that the media convinced the GOP to run against FDR in 1940. After being nominated, Willkie ran to the left of FDR and supported every one of his policies.

I have no doubt that sweet little Rudy would do the same. That’s what Mitt did in the senate run against Teddy Kennedy, and why he deserves the door also.

5,091 posted on 04/23/2007 12:40:13 PM PDT by Luke21 (No Rudy. No way.)
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To: OMalley

:-)


5,092 posted on 04/23/2007 12:40:38 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I don’t recall seeing one Viking Kitty in this entire thread. Did I miss something or is this a new record?


5,093 posted on 04/23/2007 12:41:08 PM PDT by politicalwit (Family values don't stop at the border...but Federal laws do.)
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To: politicalwit

Maybe folks are just tired of the joke?


5,094 posted on 04/23/2007 12:42:16 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Laws that infringe on unalienable rights are not laws at all...they are in fact lawless edicts.)
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To: processing please hold

Howdy stranger ;)


5,095 posted on 04/23/2007 12:42:29 PM PDT by OMalley (Just say NO to Rudy "Tootsie" Giuliani-GO Duncan Hunter 08:))
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To: wagglebee
Yep. The Rudy Rooters are hard core leftists through and through.

Hmm, I support a Giuliani-F.Thompson ticket, so that make me a "Rudy Rooter", yes? You use that term as if it is an evil thing.

Why don't you go to my homepage and peruse the links section, where I've collected more than 1000 articles in the last 6 years. Articles critical of human-caused global warming theory, race victimization mindsets, racial tribalism, abortion, helicopter parents undermining what's left of discipline in schools, antiwar groups' treason, gay groups' historical revisionism, the politicization of science and medical research, the lies of the 'green' crowd, antisemitism, the double standard against Christians, hate crimes legislation, CFR, China, Putin, CIA treason, the Plame Nonsense, Wesley Clarke, and the scams that funnel public dollars to the networks of liberal groups. Articles defending capitalism, gun rights, President Bush, the WOT, tax cuts, entitlement reform, welfare reform, cultural conservatism, conceal carry and refuting lie by lie the claims of the gun control crowd. And that's just through "C", plus links to articles by Coulter, Steyn, and hundreds of articles chronicling liberal media bias, Democrat corruption, and cases of Democrat vote fraud.

Collecting those links are only useful for two things: Using them later as facts and sources to refute specific lies and to provide historical documentation/accumulated evidence. If I am a leftist, why on earth would I accumulate so many sources and examples that refute leftist claims, lies, and ideology? Why would I preserve so many examples of media bias or Democrat corruption or voter fraud? If I were a liberal, wouldn't I be trying to let it fade away or at least be indifferent, instead of proactively chronicling all the flaws, lies, crimes, and treason of the left?

Given my 6 years of efforts to defend conservatism, as witnessed in one form by that collecting of documentation for use against liberal arguments, how on earth can anyone logically call me anything but a conservative, unless they are on a witch hunt?

Pragmatism in the face of imperfect choices is not a sellout that defines and overrides all other factors. All the car companies donate to gay and other leftist groups, does that mean that I and others can only remain a social conservative if we no longer buys cars? I can find a bicycle or tricycle maker that doesn't subsidize leftists, but those just aren't going to get the job done for what I must accomplish. Do I stick with principle, go without a car, and lose my job? Every conservative makes pragmatic compromises every day, whether they admit it or not.

The New Testament tells us the life of Jesus, in part to give us examples of how to live and make choices. Jesus went among sinners, saying that they are who he came to help. He didn't shun and withdraw from them, but rather conversed and reached out to them, while refraining from engaging or endorsing the sinful behavior. That doesn't mean that "Jesus endorses Rudy" (I won't speak for Jesus in this election) or that political decisions are always clear-cut either way for a Christian, but it does suggest that an "Isolation from the Unclean" mindset may not always be wise. Jesus took a lot of criticism from the Pharisees for dining with the unclean, because some thought such compromising and pragmatic action amounted to condoning the behavior of the immoral. But it was necessary for him to gather with the sinners to accomplish his goals. YMMV.

Politics is the art of compromise, and the conservative that gets some or most of what he is trying to accomplish is more effective than the purist who accomplishes nothing. That doesn't mean that supporting someone other than Rudy is taking a defeatist purist position, in fact it may turn out that supporting someone other than Rudy will be the best choice a conservative can make. Or not. That is what healthy debate is for, but it is both ridiculous and dishonest to have some of the long-time conservatives here with a proven track record suddenly historically revised into liberals simply because of a single pragmatic judgment they have made, especially since no votes have been cast yet.

5,096 posted on 04/23/2007 12:43:05 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat (Rudy-Fred 08.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I’m counting about four or five of them who have been posting the last couple of hours who seem to be itching for a zot. I’d be surprised if they last till the end of the day.
5,097 posted on 04/23/2007 12:43:33 PM PDT by dmw (Conservatives do NOT vote for liberals.)
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To: politicalwit

Not only no viking kitties, but very few graphics at all. I suspect everyone’s being nice to those on dial-up. We wouldn’t want anyone to miss out on such a good thread.


5,098 posted on 04/23/2007 12:43:55 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. Ů)
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To: daisyscarlett

I do remember at the time, thinking that Patti could have been a preemie. I know a few people who had preemies 7-8 months after marriage.

I guess I should not say he did the right thing, when they may have not been forced into marriage from the get go.

One thing for sure, and most important, they both had a lifetime of devoted love for each other.


5,099 posted on 04/23/2007 12:44:18 PM PDT by del4hope (If your candidate doesn't respect an unborn life, they don't respect your life either.)
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To: processing please hold; Spiff

Yeah, well now he’s played the Pied Piper and all of the other ‘Rats have followed him to their new forum where they can trash FR and conservatives in general in secret.

You should go over their and do a search of their members, it’s a “Who’s Who” of current and former FRiberals.


5,100 posted on 04/23/2007 12:45:03 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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