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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: Bigh4u2
I say it’s time to ‘thin the herd’ and start over.

You're a really scary person.

801 posted on 04/21/2007 9:59:05 PM PDT by Spyder (The "Hate Giuliani Syndrome." Like Bush Delusional Syndrome, a cure is yet to be found.)
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To: Delphinium

Maybe because Rudy is a fiscal and law and order conservative and as I’ve posted repeatedly, if we don’t get a handle on spending and keep our nation secure, we won’t be talking abortion. We’ll be dodging truck bombs and Wal Mart.

Thanks for not minding me being here. Since I’m a staunch conservative who supports a Republican some people don’t like, a lot of people do mind that Rudy supporters are here at all.


802 posted on 04/21/2007 9:59:32 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Miss Didi

LOL! Do you believe the crap they post - you know ‘the principled ones’.


803 posted on 04/21/2007 9:59:45 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Its a free country last I looked

I love freedom. Revel in it. I love thinking about things and coming to my own conclusions and passionately arguing my position. I love the liberty to follow an argument and to work through a line of thought. I love the intellectually bracing nature of political debate. And anyone who tries to intimidate me, anytime, anywhere to curb my expression in the arena of ideas better not do it to my face.

804 posted on 04/21/2007 9:59:58 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: truth_seeker
Rudy is an open borders supporter by his own actions, making NYC the first sanctuary city. How does that measure on National Security?

World Terror threat? We have numerous Republicans in the field that would be wonderful and better than Rudy.

They are not mentioned because Rudy’s stances on issues of homosexual marriage, gun rights, abortion (not to mention state-funding of this “constitutional right” showing his closet socialism), government spending, and general authoritarianism are the issues we have with Rudy.

Why would we not focus in on the issues we disagree upon?

805 posted on 04/21/2007 10:00:09 PM PDT by Hawk1976 (It is better to die than to live as a slave.)
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To: Spyder

Exactly right!


806 posted on 04/21/2007 10:00:27 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Jet Jaguar
I am hoping for a Gingrich

I liked Gingrich and was hoping he would get in. And then I saw that joke of a debate between him and Kerry on global warming. Gingrich will make a good policy maker/adviser but he is not president material.

807 posted on 04/21/2007 10:00:46 PM PDT by HarmlessLovableFuzzball ( The Golden Rule : He who has the Gold makes the rules)
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To: Peach

“The city also added approximately 430,000 new jobs during Giuliani’s mayoralty the most dramatic period of job growth in New York’s history. At the same time, Giuliani restored fiscal discipline to the city’s budget, transforming the $2.3 billion annual deficit he inherited in 1993 into the $1 billion surplus he hands over to incoming mayor Michael Bloomberg.”

Do you know the difference between a “surplus” and an “operating deficit”?

It’s only been refuted if you confuse the two things.


808 posted on 04/21/2007 10:01:27 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: Blackirish

Rudy isn’t afraid of anyone. Period.

He’ll make decisions I don’t like. Reagan made decisions I didn’t like. So has Bush. So does my husband. We’ll never find anyone we agree with 100% so I’m looking for the person who doesn’t back down in the face of a hostile press and who is strong on national security and hates the Arab extremists.


809 posted on 04/21/2007 10:01:37 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Fishrrman
"- Pennsylvania: Although Philadelphia and Pittsburgh are 'rat cities, the heartland of PA is red. It's a battleground state and Rudy can probably take it easily."

There is NO WAY that Rudy is going to win PA. NONE! Plus you can "X" WV off the states he will take that Bush carried. There is no gun grabbing, abortionist favoring Republican who can carry either of these states. Not going to happen.

810 posted on 04/21/2007 10:02:01 PM PDT by penowa (NO more Bushes; NO more Clintons EVER!)
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To: Hawk1976

“Rudy is an open borders supporter by his own actions, making NYC the first sanctuary city. How does that measure on National Security?
World Terror threat? We have numerous Republicans in the field that would be wonderful and better than Rudy.

They are not mentioned because Rudy’s stances on issues of homosexual marriage, gun rights, abortion (not to mention state-funding of this “constitutional right” showing his closet socialism), government spending, and general authoritarianism are the issues we have with Rudy.”

Rudy is an MSM manufactured fraud!


811 posted on 04/21/2007 10:02:13 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: Peach
Peach, I know exactly how you feel. I posted some of my thoughts above, but we have been trying to right this sinking ship for some time now.

IMO, we are losing the battle. In order to win any further National elections, we need everyone on board, and as you can see, that is not going to happen.

This leaves a presidential candidate with but one choice to make if he wants to win. That would be moving to the center during the primary, which is what is happening now. This runs contrary to the notion that you must capture and solidify the base first. It has always been so, but the base is now split with the socials occupying about a third of it. That third is being slowly written off by all the major candidates, even though they will deny it. They must move ahead and make up the difference with the electorate center, because to embrace that minority one third of the base will sink the candidacy of any running in 2008.

It's a damn shame, but it is a reality, and has happened before. The Republican Party will be forced to change as a result. The Dems are moving left, alienating their base, and we have to move to pick them up in order to win Nationally.

This is causing a great deal of anger and it will continue for some time to come. Nobody likes changes, but the changes will occur regardless.

I suspect that a Ross Perot will appear to scoop them up very soon. If not this cycle, then the next. It's just a matter of time.

We did not cause this to happen, and are not responsible for it. It is the nature of the swinging pendulum, and the leftward drift of America of the rest of the world. It is political realities of present and past, and if this generation does not address them, then the next generation will. If the choice of some is self imposed isolation, then that is their choice. If they kick and scream on the way down, the fall was their choice to make.

I would not let it bother you any more. It is not worth the anger and worry.

812 posted on 04/21/2007 10:02:14 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Mitt....2008)
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To: Spyder

Very.


813 posted on 04/21/2007 10:02:21 PM PDT by Peach
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To: ansel12
He/She/It does this constantly. She knows, full well, that her post is misleading and taken out of context.

That's her M.O.

:O)

P
Run, FRED, run!

814 posted on 04/21/2007 10:02:28 PM PDT by papasmurf (Name me one nation that taxed itself into prosperity. Run, FRED, run!)
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To: woofie
I'm not the one denouncing Jim`s Founders Statement. You are. One more time. The mission statement for Free Republic lists all the major aspects of conservatism and the conservative movement. The issues I've supported for over three decades as a conservative member of the GOP.

You said: "as I said to someone else ...Good luck with all that ...If JR wants to ban me so be it (since 1998)

That simple remark shows disrespect and disdain for Jim`s conservatism message. If you don't hate FR, you sure don't like it here much.

815 posted on 04/21/2007 10:02:42 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Jim Robinson

In a word Jim, No, in two words he33 no!


816 posted on 04/21/2007 10:02:47 PM PDT by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: Peach
And your idiotic lying about my positions are classy?

Where did I ever say that social issues trump national security or that FR was a “social conservative” only site.

FR is a conservative site. We’re not just social conservative or just fiscal conservative. We are conservative period. I don’t think you can be a half conservative and half liberal. You’re either a conservative or your not. If you are fiscally conservative, but socially liberal you’re a liberal. If you are socially conservative but a fiscal liberal then you are a liberal. If you readily embrace and promote liberalism whether socially liberal or fiscally liberal, then you are a liberal. Giulianni is a liberal, socially and fiscally. Most likely, you are a liberal too. Giuliani’s support for taxpayer funded abortion and utter contempt for the constitution makes him a rotten to the core socialist.

FR is pro-God, pro-life, pro-liberty, pro-gun, pro-constitution, pro-private property, pro-individual rights, pro-national defense, pro-limited government, pro-limited spending, pro defense, pro sovereignty, pro-America, etc, etc. We are opposed to abortionism, feminism, socialism, big government, big spending, activist judges, run away government, corruption, authoritarianism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc.

And we are totally opposed to liberals running for office from the Republican party.

You accept, embrace and support the very liberal (actually socialist) Rudy Giulianni, which means you turn your back on conservatism.

Then you have the audacity to lie about my positions and FR’s positions. You claim to be a conservative but support the most liberal candidate that has ever tried to run as a Republican and you spend your time trashing fine outstanding conservative candidates and conservative supporters. That makes you an idiot in my eyes and a liar to boot. And as far as class goes, you and your abortionist socialist superstar have none whatsoever so you don’t have much room to speak.

817 posted on 04/21/2007 10:02:55 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: mariabush

Me too.


818 posted on 04/21/2007 10:03:00 PM PDT by HarmlessLovableFuzzball ( The Golden Rule : He who has the Gold makes the rules)
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To: Peach
I think that you have every right to be here on FR. After all, it is an OPINION forum.

It is the whining, you don’t love me anymore cut and runners that I object to.

819 posted on 04/21/2007 10:03:16 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek (President Fred Thompson will finally give the University of Memphis the respect that it is due!)
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To: blasater1960

Good points. I certainly will cast an anti-Hillary vote at every opportunity. But I don’t think Rudy will win his home state, and nobody has been elected President without winning his home state since Wilson. Plus, with Rudy I see more Ginsburgs, don’t asking becoming TELL, etc...


820 posted on 04/21/2007 10:03:29 PM PDT by Kryptonite (Keep Democrats Out of Power!)
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