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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: mkjessup

You are right,very right. And if it happens then the republicans can thank themselves for that. I only need to remember what Rudi said,there is not much difference between him and Hitlery. If either one is elected then I can see more death and sorrow down the road. Our enemies must fear us from the strength of our faith,not by what they think they see coming from hollyweird or Nancy Pelosi.The enemy told us that we would fail because we are soft and have no determination and they see us as infidels. But for me I shall place my faith in Jesus our Lord to save us from ourselves and our enemies.


951 posted on 04/21/2007 10:37:50 PM PDT by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Rudy Giuliani is unqualified to be the nominee from the Republican party

Fortunately, that is up to the Republican voters, whose intelligence I thank God for daily.

952 posted on 04/21/2007 10:37:55 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: Jim Robinson; Peach; M. Thatcher

A classic Limbaugh style reply. Just what I’d like to have said!

Bravo!!!!


953 posted on 04/21/2007 10:38:23 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: Jim Robinson
Good post, and you are exactly right. Anytime conservatism comprises with liberalism or makes the slightest concession to liberalism, liberalism wins and conservatism loses. Period. The danger here is when we allow people like Rudy to represent us, the media happily redefines conservatism as something more liberal than it is and it pushes us, the real conservatives, onto the fringes. But thats not who we are. We FReepers, ARE, the movement.

As far as the movement is concerned, our real election is the Republican primaries. If Rudy wins, the movement has already lost for 2008 and we will no longer be represented by a true Republican in the generals. Well actually we will not be represented, period.

However the question then becomes are we willing to vote for the lesser evil of two Democrats, or will we never vote for a liberal socialist on principle. That's a serious question because in relative terms a lot is at stake. One would abashedly, unapologetically and unrestrainedly nosedive the country into Marxism...and the other would at least er hesitate a little.

954 posted on 04/21/2007 10:38:25 PM PDT by HarmlessLovableFuzzball ( The Golden Rule : He who has the Gold makes the rules)
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To: narses

How right you are on all points. :-)


955 posted on 04/21/2007 10:38:30 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Texasforever

“To: Jim Robinson
I’ll give you a chance to play tough again you 2-bit grifter, Ban me so your mouth breathers can go down on you again.

928 posted on 04/21/2007 10:32:12 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)

You have been a canker sore on this website for too long!!


956 posted on 04/21/2007 10:38:42 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: Spiff
“So repealed taxes that were previously enacted despite the shrieks of an entrenched liberal establishment?”

Man....I’ll hold that against him/Sarc.

With any luck hopefully he could be so lucky to do the same in Washington regarding spending.

957 posted on 04/21/2007 10:38:45 PM PDT by Blackirish
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To: Reagan Man

If you find JimRob’s Founders Statement on FR`s homepage so outrageous and replusive, why continue to hang around here?
***Something I’ve noticed lately and can’t get any good answers from the folks I have asked. The most I get is something like, “I don’t have to explain myself to you”. But maybe JimRob doesn’t want to take that crud any longer.


958 posted on 04/21/2007 10:38:45 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: Texasforever

Nah, we keep asswipes like you around for target practice.


959 posted on 04/21/2007 10:38:53 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Texasforever

You’re one stupid Texan!


960 posted on 04/21/2007 10:39:02 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: processing please hold

Add me to that list.


961 posted on 04/21/2007 10:39:21 PM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless America and FRiends. ...Hunter '08.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Dumbass


962 posted on 04/21/2007 10:39:27 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Spyder

It absolutely does. There is not a shred of evidence to say a fetus is not a life-form. It needs a mother’s womb for awhile, but it is a life. It is not a tumour. It is not a wart on the mother’s uterus. It has a dna that is only half hers. Although it needs her to live, it is alive. It grows. It moves. As it develops, it plays in its environment. It senses things going on to some degree. Any other description of it is a political choice, to say that the baby in the womb is less than a life.

You may think infanticide under certain conditions is ok, and that is something you are free to think. But it doesn’t change the reality of what IS.

And when you modify what is acceptable to do to life by ignoring its value, then you lessen all lives, by making exceptions under what conditions life is allowable. It’s just a hop from well, the baby is a fetus, and isn’t really alive, to the severely brain injured aren’t really people to the sick aren’t really having a quality of life, to well that person is old and can’t work and when we get her to the hospital, we’ll just release her from her pain with a little injection.

This is happening in many parts of the world. Life isn’t life, an individual isn’t something of value for his or her own right. It’s being replaced with a socially acceptable definition of what is worth living, and the individual loses all value except for what the ethicists can convince the state a life is worth. A cog in the machine that has no intrinsic value except for what the state gives it.

This is not the American image. But it’s fast becoming a European norm, and the first feelers are certainly here in this country.


963 posted on 04/21/2007 10:39:28 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: mkjessup

“The fact is, were it not for 9/11, Rudy would never even have been considered a serious candidate for the presidency.”

And if he had a (D) next to his name instead of an (R), most of those defending him here would be attacking him for his positions.


964 posted on 04/21/2007 10:39:31 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: narses

Maybe you need to watch the Juannita Broaddrick-Clnton Rape interview. Protecting and praising Hillary Clinton is a DISGUSTING thing to do in any context.

Disgusting and profane.


965 posted on 04/21/2007 10:39:36 PM PDT by Registered (Politics is the art of the possible)
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To: Texasforever

I see that you are disappearing.....


966 posted on 04/21/2007 10:39:43 PM PDT by rockrr (Never argue with a man who buys ammo in bulk...)
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To: Blackirish

I really wish Mayor Giuliani would have run against Hillary in ‘06. At least he could have had 2 years to try to reshape his image.


967 posted on 04/21/2007 10:40:16 PM PDT by RabidBartender
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To: Jim Robinson; Texasforever

“Nah, we keep asswipes like you around for target practice”

LOL!


968 posted on 04/21/2007 10:40:18 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

That and/or an independent CONSERVATIVE to split the GOP vote. Easy to do when a real conservative is not on the GOP ticket. This scenario could have the Dems win too just like 1992. Of course in 1992 we did not have the new media. That’s why people like HRC would like to see it go away. If she wins it won’t be with my vote, and I believe we will see people revolt in this country if she is elected. She can not legitimately win the presidency. She knows it and so do her buddies in the MSM. That’s why they are giving us these sorry excuses for candidates.

Lifelong republicans are blinding themselves into thinking that National Security is more important than any other issue. Heck, all I’ve noticed since 9/11 is a tighter noose around my neck as I see noncitizen rights increasing and expanding. I believe my tag line says all you need to know about where I stand. I hope Rudy is not our candidate. If he is, I will do my darndest to support an independent 3rd party conservative candidate. I pray every day for that candidate to stand up.


969 posted on 04/21/2007 10:40:23 PM PDT by del4hope (If your lawmakers don't respect an unborn life, they don't respect your life either.)
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To: Registered

You are becoming creepier every day.


970 posted on 04/21/2007 10:40:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: veronica
Some people just like and support Rudy

I like and support a lot of people, it doesn't make me attack people personally or make up stuff about other candidates.

I understand though the problem, they can't figure out what nice things to say about their candidate that won't expose him as rather unconservative, so instead they attack other candidates for being a little bit like Rudy in one aspect or another.

McCain did McCain-Feingold (Rudy fully supports it).

Romney said he was pro-choice in his race in 2002 (Rudy says it today).

Romney said he'd be a friend to gays in 1994 (Rudy lived with Gays and marches in their parades and would vote special government support for gay couples).

Fred Thompson was a lobbyist (Rudy is a lobbyist)

Hunter has "questionable associations" (Rudy recommended Kerik (now a convict) to run Homeland Security -- He was Rudy's partner).

Romney appointed some liberal judges (Rudy only appointed a couple conservative judges)

Gingrich had an affair before divorcing his wife (Rudy had an affair and announced his divorce publicly before telling his wife).

Fred's been married twice (Rudy's been married 3 times, once to his cousin)

Time after Time after Time, Rudy supporters post "negatives" about the other candidates that are precisely what Rudy believes. Many times they are WRONG about the other candidates, but even when they are they simply don't see that each candidate has a flaw or two in common with Rudy, but Rudy has them all.

Ask a Rudy supporter to name one flaw a candidate has that their candidate does NOT have. Then they move to the next pro-rudy poll thread. Or try to say that Thompson is a mormon, or that Romney misquoted Castro thinking it was a pro-liberty phrase.

We expect to have to fight the lies and hypocrisy of liberals. It hurts when your own troops are shooting you in the back.

971 posted on 04/21/2007 10:40:45 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Texasforever

BWAHAHAHAHAHAhahahaha.........

IBTZ


972 posted on 04/21/2007 10:40:54 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I see another is wiping his chin.


973 posted on 04/21/2007 10:41:09 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Jim Robinson
"the heck with national security and fiscal restraint."

I didn't say that was your position, did I? Why, no. No I didn't. I just went back to doublecheck.

And you may think that Rudy's social positions disqualify him for the job. Rudy's frontrunner status tells me that conservatives and Republicans across the nation disagree with you. But there's plenty of time for you to make the case for your candidate.

974 posted on 04/21/2007 10:41:22 PM PDT by Peach
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To: muleskinner

LOL


975 posted on 04/21/2007 10:41:26 PM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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To: Registered

Facts bother liberals.


976 posted on 04/21/2007 10:41:34 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

comprises = compromises


977 posted on 04/21/2007 10:41:36 PM PDT by HarmlessLovableFuzzball ( The Golden Rule : He who has the Gold makes the rules)
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To: Jim Robinson

I plan to vote for Fred Dalton Thompson


978 posted on 04/21/2007 10:42:14 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: narses

Sloppy thirds I see


979 posted on 04/21/2007 10:42:16 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Texasforever

I’d like to catch you alone and have you say that you punk!!


980 posted on 04/21/2007 10:42:17 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: Spyder

“You’re the one threatening a 7-year FR”

lmao...that’s not a threat. I simply warned you, since you seem to think that insulting the owner is fine, to be careful of your ignorance.

No, if it were a threat, you’d know it sweetie.


981 posted on 04/21/2007 10:42:45 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Message to radical jihadis...come to my hood, it's understood ------ it's open season" Stuck Mojo)
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To: Peach; Jim Robinson

I have stayed off the FR political threads because I don’t find food fights enlightening, and certainly not entertaining. Hence I have no idea what your position has been on Rudy.

But I have seen you on many other threads, and always valued your opinion and input.

I assume you are supporting Rudy (sorry if I got that wrong). If so, I can see why. He is, in fact, our most charismatic candidate. And he is, in fact, trying to woo the conservative wing of the Republican party. So far I’m unconvinced, but I’m willing to listen while he tries.

When this fratricidal war is finally over, I’m also hoping that all the Rudy, McCain, and Romney supporters can swallow their disappointment and rally round whoever it is we actually nominate.


982 posted on 04/21/2007 10:42:49 PM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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To: Texasforever
Now we see who the Dumbass is. LOL

:O)

P

Run, FRED, run!

983 posted on 04/21/2007 10:43:39 PM PDT by papasmurf (Name me one nation that taxed itself into prosperity. Run, FRED, run!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; Texasforever

You miss the humor. Sorta like dwarf tossing.


984 posted on 04/21/2007 10:43:55 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: Peach
Gasp. You mean, like support a candidate you don't like? Oh sure. That's never been done here before.

I didn't call you an disgusting idiot for supporting Rudy. You are trashing Jim, you are trashing the whole website over and over. You have made it abundantly clear that you aren't here because you like the webmaster or the website anymore you are here because you think that Peach should be able to say whatever she damn well pleases and we should have to listen to it.

985 posted on 04/21/2007 10:44:04 PM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: Peach

Well, who the hell were you talking about then when you replied to M. Thatcher above about some guy called “Jim Robinson.”


986 posted on 04/21/2007 10:44:08 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Peach; Elyse
I’m a disgusting idiot? I think you’re a brown noser. So I guess we’re even.

Tick, tick, tick.
987 posted on 04/21/2007 10:44:12 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: EternalHope

I do support Rudy. And I’ll vote for whichever candidate gets the nod, unlike some freepers here who sound like Democrats by saying they’ll vote for Hillary before they vote for Rudy.


988 posted on 04/21/2007 10:44:34 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Texasforever

This gal is not from Texas.


989 posted on 04/21/2007 10:45:41 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Message to radical jihadis...come to my hood, it's understood ------ it's open season" Stuck Mojo)
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To: narses
Uh, yeah. Except one tiny detail. It doesn't address mangement's point that I've lied about his position. Other than that tiny little discrepancy, sure, it was a great post. /s
990 posted on 04/21/2007 10:45:54 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach

Who has said they’d vote for hillary?


991 posted on 04/21/2007 10:45:58 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: EternalHope
When this fratricidal war is finally over, I’m also hoping that all the Rudy, McCain, and Romney supporters can swallow their disappointment and rally round whoever it is we actually nominate.
Not possible. If the baby-killer wins, those of us who are conservative bolt. If a conservative wins, those who want babies dead bolt. It is a divisive issue and that is a good thing. sheep's and goats need division.
992 posted on 04/21/2007 10:46:02 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

He really said that?


993 posted on 04/21/2007 10:46:14 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Man50D
Unfortunately it has already. Conservatives can also fight back by distancing themselves from the socialists in the Republican party and form a Conservative party.

There is one it's called the Constitution Party. Their only plank I don't care for is the relatively isolationist stance but they are a lot better than the Libertarian Party.

994 posted on 04/21/2007 10:46:22 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Hi sjb

Think I’ll take cover...

This is a war-of-words zone....


995 posted on 04/21/2007 10:46:23 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Cincinna
“A Hillary or Obama victory will destroy the country.”

Although either would be a disaster IMO, Rudy would be worse because he will pull the whole country to the left.

Conservatives will unite against Hillary or Obama.

996 posted on 04/21/2007 10:46:51 PM PDT by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: Tennessee Nana

I am sincerely afraid to vote for a man with cancer, no matter how not serious, when Pelosi is third in line.


997 posted on 04/21/2007 10:46:56 PM PDT by donna (America used up all the good weather.)
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To: raygun

“The rumor of Sadaam with any type of weapon’s was too great to overlook. “

The ‘rumor’? It was well documented that Saddam did, indeed have weapons. What were those Russian trucks doing crossing the border into Syria just before we attacked?

What was the purpose of all those U.N. resolutions if Saddam’s weapons were only a ‘rumor’?

Why were the weapons inspectors thrown out of Iraq in 1998?

And the U.N.’s buddy ‘Hans’ as an inspector was a joke.

“My question is and remains: do we need “conservatives” looking out for our best interests (security), or “liberals” looking out for our best interests (civil rights)?”

Why do you separate ‘security’ from ‘civil’ when it comes to conservatives?

It’s not an ‘either’,’or’ situtation. It’s both, including ‘fiscal’. You cannot say that true ‘conservatism’ is one or the other.

It’s ‘all of the above’.

I think my tag line says it all about people who want to believe the ‘rumor mills’ instead of using intelligence,research and common sense.


998 posted on 04/21/2007 10:47:22 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Kevmo

You know what it is. These folks aren’t full fledged conservatives. Period. They don’t agree with Reagan’s old coalition of social and fiscal conservatives. You remember that coalition. It was the one that gave the GOP some serious historic election day victories in 1980, 1984, 1988, 1994, 2000 and yes, even 2004!

Today it would appear the liberal Republicans are making a move to hijack the GOP and take back in time 30 years. Back to time of Rockefeller Republicanism. In the process, these Rockefeller Republicans want to make sure one of their own gets the nomination. Rudy Giuliani is perfect example of a liberal Republican —— the epitome of Rockefeller Republicanism.


999 posted on 04/21/2007 10:47:25 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Peach
He also said that it was a mistake, and the enforcement provisions of that “amnesty bill” have never been implemented.

Reagan was a good president. Reagan also signed an abortion friendly bill as governor of California, that he later said was a mistake. No one, save Jesus, who has walked this Earth has ever been perfect. We should try to learn from the mistakes our heroes made while remembering their accomplishments.

1,000 posted on 04/21/2007 10:47:31 PM PDT by Hawk1976 (It is better to die than to live as a slave.)
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