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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?

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To: processing please hold

Add me to that list.

961 posted on 04/21/2007 10:39:21 PM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless America and FRiends. ...Hunter '08.)
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To: Jim Robinson


962 posted on 04/21/2007 10:39:27 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Spyder

It absolutely does. There is not a shred of evidence to say a fetus is not a life-form. It needs a mother’s womb for awhile, but it is a life. It is not a tumour. It is not a wart on the mother’s uterus. It has a dna that is only half hers. Although it needs her to live, it is alive. It grows. It moves. As it develops, it plays in its environment. It senses things going on to some degree. Any other description of it is a political choice, to say that the baby in the womb is less than a life.

You may think infanticide under certain conditions is ok, and that is something you are free to think. But it doesn’t change the reality of what IS.

And when you modify what is acceptable to do to life by ignoring its value, then you lessen all lives, by making exceptions under what conditions life is allowable. It’s just a hop from well, the baby is a fetus, and isn’t really alive, to the severely brain injured aren’t really people to the sick aren’t really having a quality of life, to well that person is old and can’t work and when we get her to the hospital, we’ll just release her from her pain with a little injection.

This is happening in many parts of the world. Life isn’t life, an individual isn’t something of value for his or her own right. It’s being replaced with a socially acceptable definition of what is worth living, and the individual loses all value except for what the ethicists can convince the state a life is worth. A cog in the machine that has no intrinsic value except for what the state gives it.

This is not the American image. But it’s fast becoming a European norm, and the first feelers are certainly here in this country.

963 posted on 04/21/2007 10:39:28 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: mkjessup

“The fact is, were it not for 9/11, Rudy would never even have been considered a serious candidate for the presidency.”

And if he had a (D) next to his name instead of an (R), most of those defending him here would be attacking him for his positions.

964 posted on 04/21/2007 10:39:31 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: narses

Maybe you need to watch the Juannita Broaddrick-Clnton Rape interview. Protecting and praising Hillary Clinton is a DISGUSTING thing to do in any context.

Disgusting and profane.

965 posted on 04/21/2007 10:39:36 PM PDT by Registered (Politics is the art of the possible)
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To: Texasforever

I see that you are disappearing.....

966 posted on 04/21/2007 10:39:43 PM PDT by rockrr (Never argue with a man who buys ammo in bulk...)
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To: Blackirish

I really wish Mayor Giuliani would have run against Hillary in ‘06. At least he could have had 2 years to try to reshape his image.

967 posted on 04/21/2007 10:40:16 PM PDT by RabidBartender
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To: Jim Robinson; Texasforever

“Nah, we keep asswipes like you around for target practice”


968 posted on 04/21/2007 10:40:18 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

That and/or an independent CONSERVATIVE to split the GOP vote. Easy to do when a real conservative is not on the GOP ticket. This scenario could have the Dems win too just like 1992. Of course in 1992 we did not have the new media. That’s why people like HRC would like to see it go away. If she wins it won’t be with my vote, and I believe we will see people revolt in this country if she is elected. She can not legitimately win the presidency. She knows it and so do her buddies in the MSM. That’s why they are giving us these sorry excuses for candidates.

Lifelong republicans are blinding themselves into thinking that National Security is more important than any other issue. Heck, all I’ve noticed since 9/11 is a tighter noose around my neck as I see noncitizen rights increasing and expanding. I believe my tag line says all you need to know about where I stand. I hope Rudy is not our candidate. If he is, I will do my darndest to support an independent 3rd party conservative candidate. I pray every day for that candidate to stand up.

969 posted on 04/21/2007 10:40:23 PM PDT by del4hope (If your lawmakers don't respect an unborn life, they don't respect your life either.)
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To: Registered

You are becoming creepier every day.

970 posted on 04/21/2007 10:40:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: veronica
Some people just like and support Rudy

I like and support a lot of people, it doesn't make me attack people personally or make up stuff about other candidates.

I understand though the problem, they can't figure out what nice things to say about their candidate that won't expose him as rather unconservative, so instead they attack other candidates for being a little bit like Rudy in one aspect or another.

McCain did McCain-Feingold (Rudy fully supports it).

Romney said he was pro-choice in his race in 2002 (Rudy says it today).

Romney said he'd be a friend to gays in 1994 (Rudy lived with Gays and marches in their parades and would vote special government support for gay couples).

Fred Thompson was a lobbyist (Rudy is a lobbyist)

Hunter has "questionable associations" (Rudy recommended Kerik (now a convict) to run Homeland Security -- He was Rudy's partner).

Romney appointed some liberal judges (Rudy only appointed a couple conservative judges)

Gingrich had an affair before divorcing his wife (Rudy had an affair and announced his divorce publicly before telling his wife).

Fred's been married twice (Rudy's been married 3 times, once to his cousin)

Time after Time after Time, Rudy supporters post "negatives" about the other candidates that are precisely what Rudy believes. Many times they are WRONG about the other candidates, but even when they are they simply don't see that each candidate has a flaw or two in common with Rudy, but Rudy has them all.

Ask a Rudy supporter to name one flaw a candidate has that their candidate does NOT have. Then they move to the next pro-rudy poll thread. Or try to say that Thompson is a mormon, or that Romney misquoted Castro thinking it was a pro-liberty phrase.

We expect to have to fight the lies and hypocrisy of liberals. It hurts when your own troops are shooting you in the back.

971 posted on 04/21/2007 10:40:45 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Texasforever



972 posted on 04/21/2007 10:40:54 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I see another is wiping his chin.

973 posted on 04/21/2007 10:41:09 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Jim Robinson
"the heck with national security and fiscal restraint."

I didn't say that was your position, did I? Why, no. No I didn't. I just went back to doublecheck.

And you may think that Rudy's social positions disqualify him for the job. Rudy's frontrunner status tells me that conservatives and Republicans across the nation disagree with you. But there's plenty of time for you to make the case for your candidate.

974 posted on 04/21/2007 10:41:22 PM PDT by Peach
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To: muleskinner


975 posted on 04/21/2007 10:41:26 PM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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To: Registered

Facts bother liberals.

976 posted on 04/21/2007 10:41:34 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

comprises = compromises

977 posted on 04/21/2007 10:41:36 PM PDT by HarmlessLovableFuzzball ( The Golden Rule : He who has the Gold makes the rules)
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To: Jim Robinson

I plan to vote for Fred Dalton Thompson

978 posted on 04/21/2007 10:42:14 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: narses

Sloppy thirds I see

979 posted on 04/21/2007 10:42:16 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Texasforever

I’d like to catch you alone and have you say that you punk!!

980 posted on 04/21/2007 10:42:17 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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