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Lost World Warning From (Under) North Sea
BBC ^ | 4-23-2007 | Sean Coughlan

Posted on 04/23/2007 2:29:02 PM PDT by blam

Lost world warning from North Sea

By Sean Coughlan
BBC News education

How a homestead might have looked in the flooded area

Archaeologists are uncovering a huge prehistoric "lost country" hidden below the North Sea. This lost landscape, where hunter gatherer communities once lived, was swallowed by rising water levels at the end of the last ice age.

University of Birmingham researchers are heralding "stunning" findings as they map the "best-preserved prehistoric landscape in Europe".

This large plain had disappeared below the water more than 8,000 years ago.

Scientists at the University of Birmingham have been using oil exploration technology to build a map of the once-inhabited area that now lies below the North Sea - stretching from the east coast of Britain up to the Shetland Islands and across to Scandinavia.

'Terrifying'

"It's like finding another country," says Professor Vince Gaffney, chair in Landscape Archaeology and Geomatics.

Prehistoric rivers, hills and valleys are mapped off the east coast

It also serves as a warning for the scale of impact that climate change can cause, says Professor Gaffney.

Human communities would have lost their homelands as the rising water began to encroach upon the wide, low-lying plains.

"At times this change would have been insidious and slow - but at times it could have been terrifyingly fast. It would have been very traumatic for these people," he says.

"It would be a mistake to think that these people were unsophisticated or without culture... they would have had names for the rivers and hills and spiritual associations - it would have been a catastrophic loss," says Professor Gaffney.

As the temperature rose and glaciers retreated and water levels rose, the inhabitants would have been pushed off their hunting grounds and forced towards higher land - including to what is now modern-day Britain.

The rising water levels began to remake the coastline

"In 10,000 BC hunter gatherers were living on the land in the middle of the North Sea. By 6,000 BC, Britain was an island. The area we have mapped was wiped out in the space of 4,000 years," says Professor Gaffney.

So far the team has examined a 23,000 square kilometre area of the sea bed - mapping out coastlines, rivers, hills, sandbanks and salt marshes as they would have appeared about 12,000 years ago.

And once the physical features have been established, Professor Gaffney says it will be possible to narrow the search for sites that could yield more evidence of how these prehistoric people lived.

These inhabitants would have lived in family groups in huts and hunted animals such as deer.

The mapping of this landscape could also raise questions about its preservation, says Professor Gaffney - and how it can be protected from activities such as pipe-laying and the building of wind farms.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: britain; doggerland; englishchannel; godsgravesglyphs; grandcanyon; greatflood; lost; noah; noahsflood; north; northsea; sea; unitedkingdom; vincegaffney; world
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Anthropologist Brian Sykes says that the Rhine and Thames were once the same river.

Genetic studies done by professor Stephen Oppenheimer show that a genetic group was split by the 'opening' of the English Channel. This genetic split is still detectable on both sides of the Channel.

1 posted on 04/23/2007 2:29:04 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
GGG Ping

Stone Age Sites Found Under North Sea (8,000BC)

2 posted on 04/23/2007 2:31:40 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

If the stupid idiots hadn’t heated with wood, they wouldn’t have created globull warming and they’d still be around today.


3 posted on 04/23/2007 2:34:54 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: blam
Obviously the global warming that overcame their communities was caused by their oil economy and addiction to SUVs.
4 posted on 04/23/2007 2:35:02 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.)
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Anthropologist Brian Sykes says that the Rhine and Thames were once the same river.

That is an odd conclusion, since each flows downhill.

5 posted on 04/23/2007 2:36:11 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat (Rudy-Fred 08.)
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To: blam
Sigh.... If they had only used ONE square of toilet tissue per day.

Savages.

6 posted on 04/23/2007 2:37:44 PM PDT by UNGN (I've been here since '98 but had nothing to say until now)
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It also serves as a warning for the scale of impact that climate change can cause, says Professor Gaffney. Human communities would have lost their homelands as the rising water began to encroach upon the wide, low-lying plains.

These must be the people who invented "moving to where the water ain't."

Somehow, I think we'll find a way to rediscover their invention as we, and our children's children's children, face the eternal changes in weather.

7 posted on 04/23/2007 2:38:15 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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” protected from activities such as pipe-laying and the building of wind farms.”

Protecting the sea bottom from a wind farm? First there was NIMBY, then there was BANANA (build absolutely nothing anywhere near anything). Now we just have Luddites masquerading as scientists.


8 posted on 04/23/2007 2:42:37 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Diddle E. Squat
That is an odd conclusion, since each flows downhill - I am pretty sure most rivers do.
9 posted on 04/23/2007 2:43:05 PM PDT by SF Republican
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To: Diddle E. Squat
"That is an odd conclusion, since each flows downhill."

North Sea subsidence would cause this. A lot of weight redistribution occurred as the glaciers melted.

10 posted on 04/23/2007 2:46:35 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

North Sea ? Bush’s fault !


11 posted on 04/23/2007 2:46:49 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Would you vote for President a guy who married his cousin? Me, neither. Accept no RINOs. Fred in '08)
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To: blam

North Sea

A flooded portion of the northwest continental margin of Europe occupying an area of over 200,000 mi2 (500,000 km2). The North Sea has extensive marine fisheries and important offshore oil and gas reserves. In the south, its depth is less than 150 ft (50 m), but north of 58° it deepens gradually to 600 ft (200 m) at the top of the continental slope. A band of deep water down to 1200 ft (400 m) extends around the south and west coast of Norway and is known as the Norwegian Trench.
http://www.answers.com/topic/north-sea

If what this bunch is putting forth is true there should be similar evidence worldwide (at least where human populations are known to have existed simultaneously) along all/most coasts - WHICH WOULD HAVE ALSO BEEN SUBJECT TO SUBMERSION if the “rising sea level” is to blame. I suspect that tectonic plate shifts/sinking is the actual truth, being passed off as “rising sea” level to further the global warming fraud.


12 posted on 04/23/2007 2:47:21 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: blam

Apparently all the survivors of this global warming scenario were able to drive themselves out of harm’s way in their Toyota Highlanders and GMC Yukons which then were presumably dissassembled and sold for scrap, since no memory of these ancient SUVs exists today.


13 posted on 04/23/2007 2:48:31 PM PDT by wideawake
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What the h#ll kind of archaeologist describes the discovery of a "huge prehistoric 'lost country'" as "terrifying"?

Um, hello, shouldn't he be jumping for joy at such an amazing discovery?

What a [insert that word that you can't use anymore unless you want to go to rehab]!
14 posted on 04/23/2007 2:54:39 PM PDT by Thrusher ("There is no peace without victory.")
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

You may well have a point. And one thing is for certain, the prehistoric human inhabitants couldn’t have caused the global warming claimed at that time. The ultimate truth is that the earth has a habit of abiding like it wants to and we are scum on it’s surface.


15 posted on 04/23/2007 2:54:40 PM PDT by xJones
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To: Thrusher
"What the h#ll kind of archaeologist describes the discovery of a "huge prehistoric 'lost country'" as "terrifying"?"

Global warming hysteria.

16 posted on 04/23/2007 2:57:30 PM PDT by blam
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To: Ben Mugged
Obviously the global warming that overcame their communities was caused by their oil economy and addiction to SUVs.

EXACTLY! I am certain that we will find their evil "advanced technology" soon! Wait, I need to readjust my aluminum foil shield.... Get back to you soon...

17 posted on 04/23/2007 2:59:05 PM PDT by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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To: blam
Prehistoric rivers, hills and valleys are mapped off the east coast

I really enjoy anthropology, archeology, history etc...but couldn't this statement be made for just about any area "under the sea" ?

18 posted on 04/23/2007 3:02:31 PM PDT by in the Arena
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
Here's a map of the world with the oceans water level reduced by about 320ft. Notice that England is still connected to the mainland.
19 posted on 04/23/2007 3:02:48 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
WATER WORLD

20 posted on 04/23/2007 3:03:29 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: in the Arena
"I really enjoy anthropology, archeology, history etc...but couldn't this statement be made for just about any area "under the sea"?

Yes.

21 posted on 04/23/2007 3:03:53 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Would the picture shown really represent the landscape at the end of an ice age?
I would expect snow and ice, which would then melt, thus flooding the landscape.
Am I missing somthing?


22 posted on 04/23/2007 3:13:03 PM PDT by rsquare (Nugent/Bolton(John, not Michael) '08)
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To: Sgt_Schultze
Yeah, that and methane gas. If ONLY they’d had Bean-0, so much of this devastation could have been avoided. Mankind — the enemy of life.
23 posted on 04/23/2007 3:13:59 PM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: blam
they would have had names for the rivers and hills and spiritual associations - it would have been a catastrophic loss," says Professor Gaffney.

And I'll bet one of the names, as it's come down through history to us, was Atlantis.

The professor is obviously a 'global warming' alarmist and it's really frightening to me to find a person of his academic rank who's so totally ignorant of normal, natural geological and climatological processes. Climate changes constantly, Professor Dipwad! So does terrain as it's sculpted by water and wind erosion, gouged by glaciers and shifted around by tectonics/earthquakes. Humanity's only been on Earth for a quick blink of the Cosmic Eye.

24 posted on 04/23/2007 3:14:44 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: blam

25 posted on 04/23/2007 3:18:44 PM PDT by naturalized ("The time has come," He said. "The kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe the good news!")
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To: blam


During the last ice age, Britain essentially didn't exist. It was just a highland area in northern Europe. The English Channel was a broad river valley that contained the Seine River, and to the east there was once a massive river where the Thames, the Rhine, the Elbe, and many of northern Europes lesser rivers combined into one. This huge river would have been several miles wide by the time it was done snaking across the fairly flat plain, and would have easily been one of the largest rivers on the planet.
26 posted on 04/23/2007 3:18:59 PM PDT by Arthalion
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To: blam
Global Warming – So Easy Even
A Caveman Can Do It


27 posted on 04/23/2007 3:27:56 PM PDT by Flashman_at_the_charge (A proud member of the self-preservation society)
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To: Arthalion

And one could speculate ...
that the reason this huge flat plain existed
was because yet another 10,000 years earlier,
under different climatic conditions,
it was at the bottom of the sea ...


28 posted on 04/23/2007 3:31:31 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: blam

“...protected from pipe laying and wind farms” AND drilling for oil? My husband invented the device that permitted oil recovery from the North Sea and has brought millions of $$$ of income to the British Isles. You know, none of those folks (from 8000 years ago) are alive now and I think that it is safe to drill for the much needed oil!

Archeology is a fascinating topic, but please don’t let the greens take it over.


29 posted on 04/23/2007 3:36:06 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Arthalion; Vn_survivor_67-68

Very good addition, thanks.


30 posted on 04/23/2007 3:43:16 PM PDT by blam
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To: Repeal The 17th
"And one could speculate ... that the reason this huge flat plain existed was because yet another 10,000 years earlier, under different climatic conditions, it was at the bottom of the sea ..."

Nope. It had been above water for at least 120,000 years prior...probably longer.

31 posted on 04/23/2007 3:45:22 PM PDT by blam
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To: Flashman_at_the_charge

LOL. Nicely done.


32 posted on 04/23/2007 3:55:19 PM PDT by Captain Rhino ( Dollars spent in India help a friend; dollars spent in China arm an enemy.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Probably. The floor of the North Sea is primarily composed of sedimentary rock consisting of soil ejected into the sea by the many rivers that feed into it. The whole thing is essentially one massive underwater delta where the waters of some of Europes biggest rivers drain. Over millions of years, the sediment created a fairly flat plain. When the water receded, it was exposed.

That’s also why there’s so much oil there. Millions of years worth of plant material has been washed into the sea by those same rivers.


33 posted on 04/23/2007 3:57:54 PM PDT by Arthalion
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To: blam

You’re talking about the duration of the ice age itself. The plain was exposed during most or all of the ice age, but it was probably inundated during the preceding interglacial as well. There’s no geologic evidence to indicate any massive uplifting in the area over the past million years or so, making it a fairly safe assumption that the North Sea plain has been at or near its current elevation since the Alpine uplift began tens of millions of years ago. I’ll admit that I haven’t studied that region specifically, but from what I understand it hasn’t been above water permanently for millions of years.


34 posted on 04/23/2007 4:06:25 PM PDT by Arthalion
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To: blam
This large plain had disappeared below the water more than 8,000 years ago.

Attention all "global warming" nutburgers!

It's happened before.
It will happen again.

Settled? Of course the issue is settled.
Anthropogenic global warming is the new religion of the truly ignorant and dense. No remedy for that. No amount of money can cure stupidity.

35 posted on 04/23/2007 4:21:34 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: dead
These must be the people who invented "moving to where the water ain't."

The people down in New Orleans are still struggling with the concept.

36 posted on 04/23/2007 4:23:49 PM PDT by 2111USMC
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To: ExSES
EXACTLY! I am certain that we will find their evil "advanced technology" soon!

I'm wondering if they used rotary bits on their drill strings to find that oil.

37 posted on 04/23/2007 4:43:59 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: blam

Not as much difference as I would have supposed.

Some people probably had to drive their SUV’s to get to drier land as the water level rose.


38 posted on 04/23/2007 4:47:32 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: Publius6961
Anthropogenic global warming is the new religion of the truly ignorant and dense. No remedy for that. No amount of money can cure stupidity.

However, there are those who (for a fee) will gladly usher and collect the offerings..., hmmmhhh, make that TAXES!

39 posted on 04/23/2007 6:06:20 PM PDT by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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“Archaeologists are uncovering a huge prehistoric “lost country” hidden below the North Sea. This lost landscape, where hunter gatherer communities once lived”

And just how many artifacts have been uncovered, and classified proving that the area was once inhabited by hunter gatherers, or any body for that matter? Zero, Zilch, Nada. More manufactured junk science trying to prove were all doomed without big intrusive government.

40 posted on 04/23/2007 6:13:51 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: dead
Human communities would have lost their homelands as the rising water began to encroach upon the wide, low-lying plains.

They were hunter gatherers. They arrive in an area, hunt and gather until there isn't much to hunt and gather any more, then move on. Over a scale of hundreds or thousands of years, they would not have noticed the rising water

41 posted on 04/23/2007 6:49:10 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymLJz3N8ayI">Open Season</a> rocks)
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To: blam

Did they find any SUVs in there?


42 posted on 04/23/2007 6:56:28 PM PDT by Rocky (Air America: Robbing the poor, and still unable to stay in business)
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To: 75thOVI; AFPhys; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; Avoiding_Sulla; BenLurkin; Berosus; Brujo; ...
Thanks blam.
 
Catastrophism
 
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43 posted on 04/23/2007 8:24:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 18, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 49th; ...
Thanks Blam.

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44 posted on 04/23/2007 8:27:55 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 18, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam
It also serves as a warning for the scale of impact that climate change can cause, says Professor Gaffney.

It also serves as a warning that climate change is a natural process of planet Earth.

45 posted on 04/23/2007 9:18:37 PM PDT by PistolPaknMama (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't! --FReeper airborne)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

They’d be in old-folks’ homes, though—and their sight might not be very good anymore.

:-)


46 posted on 04/23/2007 9:18:51 PM PDT by bannie
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To: xJones
the prehistoric human inhabitants couldn’t have caused the global warming

Wonder how much peat you'd have to throw on a campfire to melt a glacier.

47 posted on 04/23/2007 9:22:22 PM PDT by PistolPaknMama (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't! --FReeper airborne)
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To: Ole Okie

Cable tools and a walking beam.


48 posted on 04/23/2007 9:38:06 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Posted by Time's Man of the Year)
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To: blam
The area we have mapped was wiped out in the space of 4,000 years," says Professor Gaffney.

It's a miracle anyone escaped with their lives...

49 posted on 04/23/2007 9:49:22 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat (I love dialoging. It's a great way to pick up chicks! (*obscure cinema refence - all rights reserved)
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To: blam
If the Ice Age had not ended we would not be here, I would assume that they moved there after the ice had started to retreat so without global warming their existence would not have been possible nor would ours. The cycle will continue and it has always seemed to be the warming cycles that allowed a greater push forward for the human race. Unlike what the left now says that warming is the end of us all - NOT!
50 posted on 04/24/2007 7:05:40 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the US Senate)
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