They’ll come around when the Bush tax cuts expire, but then it will be too late.
What is an “Emerging Church Christian”?
Is that the new code word for Cafeteria Catholic and the like?
“It seems many are looking at areas of social justice, the war, etc...as much as abortion.”
Sounds more like a social gospel. Those people haven’t been in the Republican Camp for quite some time.
Obama takes the most extreme and evil position imaginable on this issue. How could these endorse such a man using a Christianity as a justification?
Hillary and her ilk have had a plan to pick these out of the GOP for a long time and this election they unfortunately might do it.
Many “members” of the emerging “church” (funny terms since many advocate that church is toxic) are post-modernists. By definition, they do not believe in Truth (each person can have his own “truth”). When they have no Truth, it is easily to go whichever way the wind blows.
Emerging Church = Apostate Church
The EC movement is greatly influenced by secular postmodernism. So yes, I have experienced it since the movement first gained steam. They have no real standard, other than subjective feelings, and tend to be shallow thinking.
Emerging Church Christian: Their life revolves around rock music, special coffees and eating french-fries during a 20 minute sermon.
What is “social justice”? I’m not intending to be a smart alec here. It is a term I’ve heard several times in reference to things that our congregation should be mindful of- and it always gives me a pause. I associate the term as some sort of leftist codeword. Clarification, anyone?
Obama is the biggest pro baby murderer running today. If they will vote for Him, they definitely need to go back to their Bibles.
What kind of “Christian” board do you go to that is pro abortion? I can’t say I’ve run into any of this except a few who have joined boards recently and are trying to sway people.
It may be like the situation we are having now on Freerepublic. There are people with an agenda who are trying to control the blogosphere the way they control the media. Just as here on this board, there may be a few liberals and RINOs out there thinking they can stir things up or at least confuse conservatives into giving up early or supporting liberal candidates. The easiest way to stop them on a Christian board is with God’s Word. No Bible believing Christian is willing to sacrifice babies for a global warming candidate.
Bellevue Baptist, Cordova, Tenn. Cornerstone of So. Baptist.
Is in a horrible mess. Check wwwsavingbellevue.org.
They are politically uneducated people with basically conservative values. They mean well but have no idea what they are talking about or how dangerous power can be. They are narrow, one-directional people. They can see that being a good samaritan is good, but they are blind to the evil of certain means or the nulification of the justness of the deed when it comes about by force and with the use of other people's money. Charity is not charity unless the money is your own. But they don't get it. Generally nice people though. Oh...and let me say that they are worse on theology than they are on politics. Our churches have been lazy and negligent about teaching doctrine and now scam artists (like Brian McLaren) are leading masses astray. You only think the majority in this country is Christian. No, the majority still uses the label, but they don't have any idea what it really means. It's like being American, or maybe like being asian or hispanic...a heritage you are born with. So they want to do good and prove their Christianity, but they don't really want to do too much good with their own money. They want the glory without the sacrifice basically. They want to feel good about themselves and simply use the poor and steal from the industrious in order to bring this feel-good state to themselves. Oh..and they want to feel good by doing good (with little self-sacrifice) but they reveal their phony faith in that they don't really want to be good. They are the world.
I still say most are well-meaning, just blind.
There is a significant shift taking place. Though it is more of an exposure of weakness than a changing of minds.
How much this harms the Republicans or benefits the Democrats is not that clear because the Republicans are undergoing a major shift to the left as well. That I would blame on the "power over principle" crowd. You are always vulnerable when power is your highest value. Stupidest part of that is, it takes a lot of ridiculous guess work. You have to foretell which shifts in ideology will bring you the power you crave. Where should you sellout? With no value trumping the pursuit of power, a shifting ideology is a given, but where you will end up is a total crapshoot.
Who is the principled conservative (Christian or not) supposed to vote for? Neither party's top-tier candidates are people my conscience can support. So what if the too-dumb-to-know-socialism-is-evil people vote for Obama. Maybe we need a little of that to remind ourselves why it's the wrong road. And maybe, just maybe, true conservatives with backbone will rise up and turn things around.
There are many interesting changes taking place in the political factions that make up our political system. The left is benefiting the most from these shifts right now. But these things can change in a hurry. It ain't over till it's over. Just be glad the presidential election is not this November.
My conservative in-laws both say they will vote for Hillary. I cannot fathom the deep, deep, deep disconnect between Biblical teachings and the evil of some of these politicians.
Big bump to your post here.
Rick Warren wants to be the Emergent James Dobson - which I do not consider to be a compliment to either Dobson or Warren.
This “Emerging Church” sounds like a big jolly social club in which members say “Jesus” and “Amen” a lot.
There are plenty of emergent/emerging church republicans. I have met several myself. The emerging church is about going against evangelical culture—not any doctrine or political position. I say this from the experience of attending an admittedly conservative emerging church though. The evangelical church has been struck with scandal, overreached in Biblical interpretation, and became a kind of subculture of extra-Biblical values.
The emerging church is a backlash against evangelical christian culture to make people realize that Christianity is about Jesus, not church practices. They are reaching out to a generation that has been fed anti-church propaganda to the point that they will lash out against anything that feels too churchy. As a fledgling movement, there are some proponents who would prefer to substitute liberalism as the emerging church’s religion, but at the same time the emerging church does not want to be seen as opposing liberalism. The idea is more that Christianity is discovered individually through the Spirit through the Bible, and not declared from pulpits, so the emerging church will not force interpretations or strong theology on people, nor will it back away from difficult parts of the Bible in order to make Christianity look better. It is humble to a fault, and nonjudgmental to a fault.
All this said, I am not an emergent, but I see value in their pursuit. Some Christians I know have no real contact with the anti-Christian secular world, especially on the coasts of the U.S.. They don’t realize just how humble and non-judgmental you have to be to reach out to a person who has been seeped in anti-Christian propaganda. The purpose isn’t to force doctrine into someone, but to break down barriers of stereotypes so that nonchristians will take a deeper look into the core of Christianity. It depends far more on the community of believers than a strong doctrine, a worship band, or charismatic speaker.