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Move to block emissions 'swindle' DVD [Global Warming]
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Posted on 04/25/2007 12:41:58 AM PDT by Omega Man II

Move to block emissions 'swindle' DVD

· Climate scientists say film misleads public · Wag TV producers reject 'contemptible gag attempt'

David Adam, environment correspondent

Wednesday April 25, 2007

The Guardian

Dozens of climate scientists are trying to block the DVD release of a controversial Channel 4 programme that claimed global warming is nothing to do with human greenhouse gas emissions.

Sir John Houghton, former head of the Met Office, and Bob May, former president of the Royal Society, are among 37 experts who have called for the DVD to be heavily edited or removed from sale. The film, the Great Global Warming Swindle, was first shown on March 8, and was criticised by scientists as distorted and misleading.

(Excerpt) Read more at environment.guardian.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: climatechange; globalwarming
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To: WildcatClan

Not me! I’m from North Dakota, and I’m all FOR global warming!


41 posted on 04/25/2007 4:23:42 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: D-fendr

But I’m guessin’ they’re cool with Algore’s “Inconvenient Truth”.

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It’s a safe bet that every school child in the known universe whose school has access to a DVD machine will be seeing Algore’s “Inconvenient Truth”.


42 posted on 04/25/2007 4:24:04 AM PDT by maica (America will be a hyperpower that's all hype and no power -- if we do not prevail in Iraq)
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To: Gondring
It’s a shame that those who feel our climate change isn’t anthropogenic feel they must resort to Michael Moore-style lies to make their case. :-(

"feel" it "isn't anthropogenic"? We know it isn't anthropogenic. The reasons why it isn't anthropogenic are more solidly scientific than the sophistry that purports that it is.

Here, let me give it to you in a very, very short space so you won't lose the thread of the argument:
In the absence of human activity, the earth has regularly been going through cycles of heating and cooling.

The heating and cooling cycles are correlated with cycles in solar activity.

CO2 increases follow temperature increases; CO2 decreases follow temperature decreases.

Changes in solar activity drive changes in global warming and cooling; global warming/cooling drives changes in levels of atmospheric CO2.

Changes in atmospheric CO2 are the result, not the cause of, changes in global temperature.

Furthermore: solar-driven changes in global temperature change levels of human activity and population.

Increased human activity has caused an increase in atmospheric CO2.

Therefore, solar-driven changes in global temperature have also been responsible for the changes in the anthropogenic component of atmospheric CO2.

Both the "natural" changes in levels of atmospheric CO2 and anthropogenic changes are effects of a cause that lies entirely outside the realm of human control.

In either case, since the increase in atmospheric CO2 is the result, not the cause, of global warming, trying to decrease the level of the result can do nothing to decrease the degree of the cause. That is, since A causes B and B results in C, fiddling with degrees of C will do nothing to change A and attempting to do so is a waste of time and resources.

43 posted on 04/25/2007 4:58:44 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Omega Man II

The Stalinists have goosestepped on stage, led by the Marxist propagandists at the Guardian.


44 posted on 04/25/2007 5:01:09 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Give Hillary a 50 coupon for Betty Crocker's devils food mix & tell her to go home and bake a cake)
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To: Omega Man II
I hoped Mr. Durkin and Wag TV have the resources to defend the inevitable onslaught of lawsuits.
45 posted on 04/25/2007 5:01:27 AM PDT by shove_it (old Old Guardsman)
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To: Gondring; Zon
Yet what isn't shown is the massive CO2 forcing that has occurred recently. It is way out of proportion to the past.

Incorrect. Current levels of CO2 are within expected variations of CO2 levels typical of the last 5 interglacial periods. Besides, since levels of atmospheric CO2 are dependent on global warming and since this interglacial period is the longest (though not the warmest) of the past five interglacials (inclusive), it's not suprising that as the Earth has been warmed longer than average, the levels of warming-dependent CO2 would also increase.
46 posted on 04/25/2007 5:03:11 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: capitalist229
Why would increasing temp cause increasing CO2 ?

Warmer ocean waters can't hold as much CO2 so it comes out into the atmosphere. Also, biological activity causing the production of CO2 is greater when things are warm than when they're cold.
47 posted on 04/25/2007 5:05:54 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Bob

Note that ocean and lake temperatures around the globe are not a single value. There is apparently a huge CO2 flux into and out of the water each year that dwarfs the anthropogenic CO2 output (though it’s likely true that the atmospheric CO@ concentration increase is mostly man made). The oceans could be moving massive amounts of CO2 around the globe in the ocean currents.


48 posted on 04/25/2007 5:07:08 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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mark


49 posted on 04/25/2007 5:11:28 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Liberalism: replacing backbones with wishbones.)
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To: Gondring; Zon
Why can't we have an unbiased examination of the data, rather than each side spinning things?!?

Spinning? Suppression of the fact that solar activity drives temperature change that drives change in atmospheric CO2 can hardly be called "spinning." It's outright deception.
50 posted on 04/25/2007 5:12:21 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: AndyTheBear
"sounding an alarm about automobile emisions increasing dramatically to about 6.8 billion tons per year"

Note that China apparently has a huge number of underground coal fires that produce as much CO2/yr as all the US cars and private light trucks do (estimates run from this value to 1/2 of it). Perhaps the Kyoto types would like to go put out those fires (good luck).

51 posted on 04/25/2007 5:13:37 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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To: RichRepublican

Link bump


52 posted on 04/25/2007 5:16:47 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name after Harper's election?)
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To: Bob
One possible factor is the reduced capacity of the water in the oceans to hold CO2 as its temperature increases. A warm soda goes flat (from losing CO2) a lot quicker than a cold one does.

That is exactly right. I use this example when I explain the Global Warming - Carbon Dioxide Hoax to my 80+ year old parents and my 8 year old grandson. They all 'get it'. Take that Al Gore.

53 posted on 04/25/2007 5:32:38 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: aruanan

Both the “natural” changes in levels of atmospheric CO2 and anthropogenic changes are effects of a cause that lies entirely outside the realm of human control.

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Nothing is outside the realm of human control to secular humanists, who have convinced themselves of their own power, in lieu of any “higher” power.


54 posted on 04/25/2007 5:34:16 AM PDT by maica (America will be a hyperpower that's all hype and no power -- if we do not prevail in Iraq)
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To: justa-hairyape

Bingo!


55 posted on 04/25/2007 6:00:14 AM PDT by BillM
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To: Gondring

As a scientist, I find it fascinating that you take a single point value for 2006 and feel you can plot it and compare it with computed statistical values that make up the curves. Do you know what the raw data, and it’s distribution look like?

If you average 1 and 100 you get 50.5 if you draw a line at 50.5, either of the only 2 values look outrageous.

Don’t go where you are so obviously unequipped to venture. It takes a few years to become a real scientist!


56 posted on 04/25/2007 6:08:15 AM PDT by BillM
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To: Omega Man II

SO MUCH FOR “DIVERSITY.”


57 posted on 04/25/2007 6:15:00 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: Zon
“THE URGE TO SAVE HUMANITY IS OFTEN A FALSE FRONT FOR THE URGE TO RULE .” H.L. Mencken
58 posted on 04/25/2007 6:20:07 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: Omega Man II

I was able to download this a few weeks ago and I STILL haven’t been able to digest all the great information they put into this. It’s a big pill to swallow.


59 posted on 04/25/2007 6:26:02 AM PDT by Live free or die
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To: WildcatClan

bump


60 posted on 04/25/2007 6:26:23 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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