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The Rudy Giuliani Truth File in his own words and deeds

Posted on 04/25/2007 3:41:28 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

The Rudy Giuliani Truth File in his own words and deeds - quotes, speeches, transcripts, clips, reports

This is the start of a series of threads that will be used to expose the truth about Rudy Giuliani in his own words and deeds.

Please post all of the quotes, speeches, interview transcripts, video clips, photos, newspaper/magazine articles, reports, records, statistics, NYC budgets, NYC spending, political appointments, gun grabs, connections to the gun control lobby, lawsuits against gun manufacturers, the truth about crime reduction in NYC, private property grabs, asset forfeitures, abuses of office, individual rights trampling, constitution trampling, violations of public trust, violations of the rule of law, national security risks, failures in security preparedness prior to and after 911, corruption, graft, bribes, favors, union dealings, mob dealings, business dealings leveraged through government contracts and contacts, rainmaking for his business partners, connections to US, Middle East or South American oil and energy companies and law firms that have profited and or will profit from Giuliani's government offices especially if he becomes president, war profiteering, his personal and business finances, his train wreck of a private life and lack of character, lack of qualifications for high office, illegal alien sanctuaries, welfare for illegals, pandering to illegals/illegal alien lobby, support for the abortion and gay rights lobbies, NARAL connections and participation, past and current support for McCain-Feingold, connections and dealings with liberal officeholders or the liberal/socialist caucuses/lobbies, etc, etc, etc, that you can find.

We're primarily interested in the words from his own mouth or primary source records and reports of his deeds/misdeeds. All submissions must contain true facts with documentation and links to source documentation and a link to FR thread on the individual item if available.

We do not need to embellish the record. The ugly truth from his own liberal mouth will impeach his credibility and the reader will be able to disqualify the man from consideration for high office based solely on his own words and deeds.


Here's an example entry:

Rudy on gun control: "You've got to REGULATE consistent with the Second Amendment"

FOX News | Feb 6, 2007 | Hanity and Colmes

http://www.freerepublic.com/^http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,250497,00.html

HANNITY: Let me move on. And the issue of guns has come up a lot. When people talk about Mayor Giuliani, New York City had some of the toughest gun laws in the entire country. Do you support the right of people to carry handguns?

GIULIANI: I understand the Second Amendment. I support it. People have the right to bear arms. When I was mayor of New York, I took over at a very, very difficult time. We were averaging about 2,000 murders a year, 10,000...

HANNITY: You inherited those laws, the gun laws in New York?

GIULIANI: Yes, and I used them. I used them to help bring down homicide. We reduced homicide, I think, by 65-70 percent. And some of it was by taking guns out of the streets of New York City.

So if you're talking about a city like New York, a densely populated area like New York, I think it's appropriate. You might have different laws other places, and maybe a lot of this gets resolved based on different states, different communities making decisions. After all, we do have a federal system of government in which you have the ability to accomplish that.

HANNITY: So you would support the state's rights to choose on specific gun laws?

GIULIANI: Yes, I mean, a place like New York that is densely populated, or maybe a place that is experiencing a serious crime problem, like a few cities are now, kind of coming back, thank goodness not New York, but some other cities, maybe you have one solution there and in another place, more rural, more suburban, other issues, you have a different set of rules.

HANNITY: But generally speaking, do you think it's acceptable if citizens have the right to carry a handgun?

GIULIANI: It's not only -- I mean, it's part of the Constitution. People have the right to bear arms. Then the restrictions of it have to be reasonable and sensible. You can't just remove that right. You've got to regulate, consistent with the Second Amendment.

HANNITY: How do you feel about the Brady bill and assault ban?

GIULIANI: I was in favor of that as part of the crime bill. I was in favor of it because I thought that it was necessary both to get the crime bill passed and also necessary with the 2,000 murders or so that we were looking at, 1,800, 1,900, to 2,000 murders, that I could use that in a tactical way to reduce crime. And I did.

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To: Silly

Adults? You?

Better look in the mirror sonny.


51 posted on 04/25/2007 5:24:27 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: All
Miscellaneous transcripts:

Giuliani speaks out about Immigration [Harvard Kennedy School of Government 1996]
  Posted by calcowgirl
On News/Activism 03/22/2007 1:08:49 PM PDT · 58 replies · 609+ views


YouTube ^ | October 10, 1996 | Rudy Giuliani
Rudy Giuliani speaks at Harvard at the Kennedy School of Government on immigration and the 1996 Welfare Reform Act on October 10, 1996. [Transcribed starting at 1:07] I don't think immigration, over the last 30 to 40 years, has been a terrible problem for America, as I tried to point out. I think immigration has worked pretty well. I think it has areas of problems. I think the federal government isn't doing enough about illegal immigration--focusing on the right people, the people that are committing crime. But by and large, I don't think the immigration system needs tremendous reforms. And...

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Rudy Re: Rosie: "I Never Thought Of Her As An Engineering Expert" (Hugh Hewitt interviews Rudy!)
  Posted by areafiftyone
On News/Activism 04/16/2007 12:11:34 PM PDT · 39 replies · 1,189+ views


Hugh Hewitt ^ | 4/16/07
Friday, April 13, 2007Rudy Re: Rosie: "I Never Thought Of Her As An Engineering Expert" Posted by Hugh Hewitt  | 6:19 PM Here's the transcript of my interview with Mayor Giuliani.  The audio will be posted here later. HH: Mayor Giuliani, welcome back to the Hugh Hewitt Show. RG: Nice to talk to you again, Hugh. How are you? HH: Good. When we talked in February, we were just getting into biography when we ran out of time. So I went to Fred Siegel’s book, and by the way, do you think that’s a pretty good book, The Prince...

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TRANSCRIPT: Interview with Rudy Giuliani Last Night on Hannity & Colmes
  Posted by areafiftyone
On News/Activism 04/04/2007 10:06:48 AM PDT · 104 replies · 1,143+ views


Real Clear Politics ^ | 4/4/07
HANNITY: Just a short while ago, I had an exclusive sit-down interview with the former New York City mayor and presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani. From his wife Judy to the state of America today, we covered some pretty serious issues, and here's what he had to say. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) HANNITY: Mr. Mayor, good to see you again. RUDY GIULIANI, FORMER MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY: Hi, Sean. HANNITY: First trip to Iowa? GIULIANI: Yes. HANNITY: Why did you wait so long? GIULIANI: We got started a little late. I mean, we're probably -- we're ahead of the old cycles. We're...

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Mayor Rudy Giuliani On The Campaign Trail (Transcript of Hugh Hewitt Interview with Rudy Giuliani!)
  Posted by areafiftyone
On News/Activism 02/23/2007 4:47:17 PM PST · 225 replies · 1,812+ views


Hugh Hewitt ^ | 2/23/07
HH: Welcome back to the Hugh Hewitt Show, Mayor. Good to have you. RG: How are you, Hugh? HH: I’m great. RG: Good to talk to you. HH: I’m great. Mayor, the campaign’s off to a pretty early start. Are you surprised to see Senators Clinton and Obama throwing bricks at each other this early? RG: I’m surprised on both scores. I mean, I think it is off to an early start, but you know...and I think everybody’s rushing to catch up, and I am surprised that it got so personal so quickly, but I think that was by accident....

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Rudy on gun control: "You've got to REGULATE consistent with the Second Amendment"
  Posted by Jim Robinson
On News/Activism 02/07/2007 2:40:44 PM PST · 1,510 replies · 18,730+ views


FOX News ^ | Feb 6, 2007 | Hanity and Colmes
HANNITY: Let me move on. And the issue of guns has come up a lot. When people talk about Mayor Giuliani, New York City had some of the toughest gun laws in the entire country. Do you support the right of people to carry handguns? GIULIANI: I understand the Second Amendment. I support it. People have the right to bear arms. When I was mayor of New York, I took over at a very, very difficult time. We were averaging about 2,000 murders a year, 10,000... HANNITY: You inherited those laws, the gun laws in New York? GIULIANI: Yes, and...

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Giuliani on Hannity: VIDEO AND TRANSCRIPT
  Posted by Mia T
On News/Activism 02/06/2007 7:11:58 AM PST · 224 replies · 2,125+ views


YouTube, Hannity and Colmes | 2.6.07 | Mia T
Monday, February 05, 2007 Giuliani on Hannity: MUST SEE TV   Part 1: Part 2: If you can't view it or are at work, click below for transcript TRANSCRIPT: HANNITY: I'm Sean Hannity. We get to our top story tonight. Earlier today former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani filed a statement of candidacy papers. Mayor Giuliani joins us for "Hannity & Colmes" exclusive. Congratulations or condolences? GIULIANI: A little of both. Mostly congratulations. It's wonderful thing to be organizing and putting together and it's very humbling to think that running for president of the united states is-- for a...

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52 posted on 04/25/2007 5:29:01 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: flashbunny; Spiff; Liz; dirtboy; Delphinium; Beagle8U; ellery; Guenevere; stephenjohnbanker; ...

Ping!


53 posted on 04/25/2007 5:34:18 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Jim Robinson; Silly
Read and understand and abide by the second amendment. End of discussion........Sorry, Jim, way too simplistic. I can’t let you off that easy, with all due respect. You’ve been placed in charge of a racially and economically diverse city, of 8 or 9 million. You’re in charge of the police force. People are dying around you. You have to take practical measures with the existing laws to change them and reduce crime.

Great thread, Jim. Nice resource. Pay no attention to the naysayers.

Now as for "reducing crime" let's look at what gun-grabbing RINO-Rooty actually did (as compared to what he wants us to think he did):

The NYC murder/crime rate "looked like" it fell through the floor during Rooty's mayoral tenure.

However, Rudy manipulated the figures by juggling the way NYC compiled crime statistics.

For instance, Rooty elevated adolescent pranks like window-breaking to the status of a crime. Since breaking windows occurs much more frequently, the stats looked lower for crimes like murder (when compared to window-breaking).

When the juggled crime stats started looking good, then-police chief William Bratton became a media darling, lionized by the NY elite, invited to all the A-list parties. Mayor Giussolini was incensed that Bratton was getting all the attention-----the little emperor summarily fired Bratton to get him out of the way.

Bratton became LA's police chief---man, if only he'd talk, what stories we'd hear about Emperor Rooty.

54 posted on 04/25/2007 5:37:15 AM PDT by Liz (Hunter: For some candidates, a conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it is my hope.)
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To: Silly

Fine! When armed thugs kick in your front door, you will only have God to help you and your family. Hopefully he will.


55 posted on 04/25/2007 5:38:32 AM PDT by wolfcreek (DON'T MESS WITH A NATION IN NEED OF MEDICATION !)
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To: Liz
When the juggled crime stats started looking good, then-police chief William Bratton became a media darling, lionized by the NY elite, invited to all the A-list parties. Mayor Giussolini was incensed that Bratton was getting all the attention-----the little emperor summarily fired Bratton to get him out of the way.

Pure conjecture. AKA - made-up stuff. :)

56 posted on 04/25/2007 5:40:25 AM PDT by veronica
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To: Jim Robinson

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
H. L. Mencken

You must keep the money flowing from the gullible.


57 posted on 04/25/2007 5:44:05 AM PDT by maggiecleveland
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To: maggiecleveland

That sounds like the stuff one reads at Huff Post and Daily Kos. The Bush “regime” tries to scare us with talk of 9-11, blah blah.


58 posted on 04/25/2007 5:47:59 AM PDT by veronica
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To: All
Washington Post, Nov 29, 1993 (citing Giuliani's appearance on NBC's Meet the Press.)
New York City Mayor-elect Rudolph W. Giuliani said he advocated a "uniform licensing system with real teeth in it," including background checks, lessons, tests and required renewals every two years to "show you're stable, you're healthy, you're able to handle a gun."

"Anything we can do . . . that will reduce the number of weapons in the country will help cities in particular and help police officers" said Giuliani, a former U.S. attorney. Handguns should be in the hands of police officers.

Chicago Tribune, Dec 9, 1993
With crime rising as a major political issue, President Clinton said Wednesday that he is considering tough new gun-control measures that would have been rejected in less violent times.

He said he is looking into a plan advanced by New York Mayor-elect Rudolph Giuliani to license gun owners and register their weapons in the same way that states license drivers and cars.

And, he said, Atty. Gen. Janet Reno is being asked to make recommendations on a national licensing plan for gun dealers that would function like federal clean-air regulations, "where the state and local regulations are on top of the federal regulations and all have to be complied with."

St. Louis Post, Dec 9, 1993
Like car drivers, gun buyers would need to pass a proficiency test under a uniform licensing proposal President Bill Clinton is considering.

White House Press Secretary Dee Dee Myers said Wednesday that Clinton would ask Attorney General Janet Reno to study the idea. She said Clinton was intrigued with a suggestion by New York Mayor-elect Rudolph W. Giuliani that either the federal government or the states set up strict licensing and training programs for gun buyers.

Giuliani, a Republican who met with Clinton at the White House on Tuesday, has described his plan as "a uniform licensing system with real teeth in it, and a period where you'd have to demonstrate your capability of using a gun, and then every two years you'd have to go back and once again show that you're stable, you're healthy, you're able to handle a gun and you know what to do with it."

The Oregonian, Dec 10, 1993
The administration is talking about "licensing" guns, rather than "registering" them ... But in fact, the licensing procedures under consideration would be more limiting than simple registration, since they would require prospective owners to demonstrate that they can use their guns safely, as well as to provide information on them personally.

59 posted on 04/25/2007 5:49:04 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Jim Robinson

I was commenting on the Poll Results.

“Third party,” “Write-in,” “Stay home” and “Leave blank” will definitely give us eight more years of the Clintons and a Democrat Congress.

And, one or two more Ruth Bader-Ginsbergs on the Supreme Court.


60 posted on 04/25/2007 5:49:18 AM PDT by RottiBiz
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To: Liz

I appreciate your effort to flatter Jim while encouraging him not to think. Good for you.

But you know very little about statistics, or city crime.

Breaking windows is not a prank, it is, actually, a misdemeanor and sometimes a crime. What Giuliani did was not go after the ‘pranksters’ but made building owners keep their windows patched. You ever heard of the Broken Windows approach to crime? Do some reading. It’ll be good for your brain.

Furthermore, it’s just plain asinine to say that by boosting statistics for minor crimes, he could make murder look lower in comparison. He didn’t need to make murder rates look lower comparatively. Murder went down in real terms, in real numbers. Big numbers.

Now, if you want to argue about who is responsible for that, go ahead. But it wasn’t Dinkins, and it wasn’t some crime fighter in Nebraska. If you want to deny Giuliani any credit for cleaning up NYC, be my guest. No serious thinking person would agree with you.


61 posted on 04/25/2007 5:49:30 AM PDT by Silly (http://www.sarcasmoff.com)
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To: Jake The Goose; L98Fiero
Nice post - reasoned and real world.

I agree.

Btw, I'm a U of C alum, too, Jake. :)

62 posted on 04/25/2007 5:52:28 AM PDT by proud American in Canada ("We can, and we will prevail.")
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To: Silly
"I suppose you think Jesus would be a conservative, right?"

Let's think about this question...abortion? Conservative. I don't think Jesus would want to be around the current Democrats, other than try to offer salvation.

63 posted on 04/25/2007 5:52:36 AM PDT by TommyDale ("Can debate over four hours with no need to call a doctor!")
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To: Jim Robinson
Thanks for the new FRpoll! It’s hard to argue with although, it’s a bit disturbing some 25% of the respondents would still vote for Rudy just because he’s the GOP candidate. (or the fact they love him)

The nearly 50% who would vote for a 3rd party candidate is very interesting. Do you believe this will ultimately be the case?

64 posted on 04/25/2007 5:52:48 AM PDT by wolfcreek (DON'T MESS WITH A NATION IN NEED OF MEDICATION !)
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To: Jim Robinson

“Read and understand and abide by the second amendment. End of discussion.”

(chuckle)

Indeed.


65 posted on 04/25/2007 5:54:32 AM PDT by Badeye (Fast is fine, but accuracy is Final)
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To: Liz

Here are some excerpts that address some of the crime fighting tactics:

In 1994 Giuliani and then-police commissioner William Bratton ordered their “elite” Street Crimes Unit to confiscate illegal weapons from pedestrians through a program of stop and search. Charges flew of civil-rights violations and increased police shootings. More than 33,000 people were stopped on New York City’s streets in 1997 and 1998, according to police data. The actual number stopped will never be known because many citizens were stopped and frisked and found not to be carrying unlicensed weapons. Most were sent on their way, and no paperwork or record of the intrusion was filed.
[Philadelphia Inquirer/Knight Ridder, Mar 22, 2007]

Giuliani’s cops, and primarily [the Street Crimes] unit, have adopted aggressive crime-fighting methods. They’ve made stop-and-frisk procedures the centerpiece of their tactics. In the last two years, this unit has stopped and frisked 40,000 New Yorkers. They’ve found grounds to arrest fewer than one in four of them. The Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution requires cops to stop and frisk only when they have a “reasonable suspicion” - - one they can clearly articulate — that a crime has taken place or is about to take place. That legal nicety seems largely ignored in New York City. Last year, roughly half the felony gun cases brought to court in Manhattan were deemed unconstitutional.
[Times Union, Apr 2, 1999]

The last time we checked, the Fourth Amendment protection `against unreasonable searches and seizures` was still the law of the land. But just get caught driving while intoxicated in New York City, neighboring Nassau County, or what seems likely to become a growing number of jurisdictions across America, and see where the rule of law gets you. In the brave new world of Mayor Rudolph Giuliani’s Big Apple, it will cost you your vehicle on the spot; no trial and conviction required. Along with the Fourth Amendment, you can forget about the Fifth (`No person shall . . . be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law`), Sixth (`the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial`) and the Eighth amendments (`excessive fines shall not be imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishment`).
[The Sunday Patriot, Mar 7, 1999]

Peering from skyscrapers with lenses that can count the buttons on a blouse three miles away, [cameras] watch every move you make. Even Rudy likes to watch. After testing reaction to the monitoring of parks, public pools, and subway platforms, the city is quietly expanding a pilot program on buses. Cameras indistinguishable from lampposts have advanced from the perimeter of Washington Square into the heart of the park. They’re already hidden at some bus stops and intersections to snag speeders and parking perps. More are on the way. The Housing Authority is rushing to put bulletproof cameras in corridors throughout city projects. ... With little public awareness and no debate, the scaffolding of mass surveillance is taking shape. “It’s all about balancing a sense of security against an invasion of privacy,” Rudolph Giuliani insists.
[Village Voice Oct 6, 1998]


66 posted on 04/25/2007 5:56:43 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: proud American in Canada; Jake The Goose

Thanks to you both.


67 posted on 04/25/2007 5:58:14 AM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: TommyDale

And what would Jesus actually do about abortion?

How comfortable would you be with a law that stated every pregnant mother was to be cared for until her child was born, at tax payers’ expense?

Wouldn’t fly with conservatives at all.

You see, conservatives rightly condemn abortion, and rightly want to outlaw it. But I see very few that open their homes to unwed mothers and care for them and their children. Oh, there are plenty who would condemn them. But few who would put their money where their mouth is.

You call into a trap when you try to pick an issue and take a simplistic, non-real-world stand on it. Jesus came for this world, to redeem it. His ways are neither conservative nor liberal. He will not fall into that trap.

Further, the very idea that the solution to our problems can be fixed with more or less government, or one party over another, is pure heresy. Jesus and his Gospel are the only things that can save this world. Nothing else can, and placing our trust and hopes in the “right” kind of government (as many conservatives and liberals do) is idolatrous.


68 posted on 04/25/2007 6:00:58 AM PDT by Silly (http://www.sarcasmoff.com)
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BBB*
69 posted on 04/25/2007 6:02:02 AM PDT by Constitution Day (Ban Bait Bump)
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To: Silly; Jim Robinson

Not piling on here - but you have to realize that one of the reasons criminals feel free to attack people is that they don’t expect the average person to be carrying. If you remove the restrictions from law abiding citizens, at the very least, it would cause a mugger to stop and think about it. They could be taking their lives in their hands by attacking someone if that someone is armed. I’m with Jim on this one. If you’re a law abiding citizen, you should have a right to carry. Period.


70 posted on 04/25/2007 6:05:36 AM PDT by StarCMC (Honor military recruiters in all 50 states ~ May 19, 2007 ~ http://gatheringofeagles.org/?p=257)
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To: Silly

So are you saying you favor abortion?

Incidentally, there are many organizations that care for pregnant unwed mothers without taxpayer assistance. Those are usually girls who have been counseled first, and they know they don’t want to kill the innocent child. They see the ultrasound and hear the heartbeat, and they choose life.
I will dare to say Jesus would oppose killing the babies.

You sound very bitter toward pro-life people and conservative churches.


71 posted on 04/25/2007 6:06:06 AM PDT by TommyDale ("Can debate over four hours with no need to call a doctor!")
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To: StarCMC

Go back and read our entire conversation carefully, especially my questions and criticisms.


72 posted on 04/25/2007 6:07:00 AM PDT by Silly (http://www.sarcasmoff.com)
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To: RottiBiz

“Third party,” “Write-in,” “Stay home” and “Leave blank” will definitely give us eight more years of the Clintons and a Democrat Congress.

And, one or two more Ruth Bader-Ginsbergs on the Supreme Court.

Electing a lib like Rudy would give the same results. That is why defeating Rudy in the primaries is essential.


73 posted on 04/25/2007 6:09:14 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter '08 Pro family, pro life, pro second Amendment, not a control freak.)
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To: calcowgirl

Proves once again this RINO wants to rule-——not govern.


74 posted on 04/25/2007 6:10:30 AM PDT by Liz (Hunter: For some candidates, a conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it is my hope.)
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To: Silly
God has a special place in his heart for cities, because the poor and disadvantaged are often safer there. You notice he didn’t command us to “dwindle and move to the sticks.” He told us to multiply. That means cities.

Even though I don't quite understand what you are talking about here, I will say this. God also gave us laws to live by, you know morals, something that the liberals in charge of big cities totally disregard. You cannot equate the need to prohibit the 2nd amendment with population density. The problem is the value system that permiates big cities, which are often run by liberals, not he 2nd amemdment.

75 posted on 04/25/2007 6:12:39 AM PDT by panthermom (DUNCAN HUNTER 2008)
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To: TommyDale

What a dumb question. Of course I don’t favor abortion. But again, your question demonstrates the simple-mindedness of polarized political thinking. Either you agree with us with 100% political purity and think in lock step with us, or you must favor abortion.

It is an established historical fact that the early church preached against not only abortion, but also infanticide, both of which were common practice in Roman times. I’m with them.

I’ll tell you who is bitter: God is bitter against those that preach and preach but don’t sacrifice themselves for the poor. He’s bitter against any religiosity that disdains the poor. (Remember, Jesus abolished all religion, conservative and liberal.)

Open your own home to an unwed mother. Your lifestyle will change drastically (by necessity), but your joy will increase.


76 posted on 04/25/2007 6:14:03 AM PDT by Silly (http://www.sarcasmoff.com)
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To: Silly

As a matter of fact, I have supported unwed mothers. Go find someone else to argue your nonsense with. I wonder if you actually practice what you preach?


77 posted on 04/25/2007 6:15:29 AM PDT by TommyDale ("Can debate over four hours with no need to call a doctor!")
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To: Liz; ellery

Yep. I just read a 1995 Newsday article about NY crime statistics. According to info they send to the FBI, “the rate of serious crime in Tallahassee is nearly 80 percent higher” than in New York City. You made a good point in your post about manipulating statistics. It’s an art, not a science. LOL.

I collected those last week and posted them to ellery. Ellery has put together a pretty good collection of constitutional abuses, by the numbers.


78 posted on 04/25/2007 6:17:16 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: maggiecleveland; TommyDale; indylindy
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."

Yup---Rino Rooty's nutty strategy. Rooty's a bigtime troublemaker----like waving a red cape in front of a rampaging bull. This RINO is the lapdog of the Endless War Hopefuls. He echos whatever will appease his handlers and campaign donors.

79 posted on 04/25/2007 6:17:42 AM PDT by Liz (Hunter: For some candidates, a conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it is my hope.)
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To: Silly
But again, your question demonstrates the simple-mindedness of polarized political thinking. Either you agree with us with 100% political purity and think in lock step with us, or you must favor abortion.

Perhaps you can explain how there can be half an abortion as a means to compromise here.

80 posted on 04/25/2007 6:17:43 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: Silly; TommyDale
"I suppose you think Jesus would be a conservative, right?"

TommyDale; Arguing with Silly is well, silly.

Silly; Actually, I think it is the other way around:

Conservatives are conservatives because of Jesus.

We Conservatives have great respect for our Constitution, and the founders of this great country.

The reason for much of its greatness is due to the fact that the founders were Christians, and the Constitution was written from that perspective.

We conservatives will continue to promote conservatives to public office and expose liberals in the hopes that none of them are elected because that is what we do.

81 posted on 04/25/2007 6:18:09 AM PDT by Designer II
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To: panthermom

God also gave us laws to live by, you know morals, something that the liberals in charge of big cities totally disregard.

Well, I think an awful lot of liberals would disagree with you about their disregard for the law. But the fact is, liberals and conservatives both have a contempt for the law. The problem is, each side can only see the other’s sin, and not his own.

And speaking of laws, the Gospel is not “a set of laws” we live by. That is religion. The Gospel says, God died for our lawbreaking as an act of love. His forgiveness and love are so real and powerful (not theoretical or mental constructs) that our lives change in response to that love. And when our hearts change, our actions change, and become in step with the law — the ultimate law, the law of love.


82 posted on 04/25/2007 6:19:04 AM PDT by Silly (http://www.sarcasmoff.com)
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To: Silly
"Silly."

Nuff said.........ROTFLMBO.

83 posted on 04/25/2007 6:19:09 AM PDT by Liz (Hunter: For some candidates, a conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it is my hope.)
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To: Jim Robinson

When I saw this article on FR awhile back I wished I could help Jim Riches in his efforts to Swiftboat Rudy. It seems we are working towards the same end. If anyone in NYC could get a hold of Jim Riches maybe he has some information from the firemen that he could share with us and maybe we could possibly work together with them.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1822992/posts


84 posted on 04/25/2007 6:19:22 AM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: Silly

That is silly. Jesus would look at the pregnant woman and say “Go and sin no more.” Killing an innocent life is sinning, so I’m pretty sure he’d tell her not to. And why does “taxpayer expense” come into it? What about individual responsibility for your actions? He was pretty big on that too. (You know, every one of us will give an account for ourselves and all that.)


85 posted on 04/25/2007 6:19:48 AM PDT by StarCMC (Honor military recruiters in all 50 states ~ May 19, 2007 ~ http://gatheringofeagles.org/?p=257)
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To: Liz

Thank you for your penetrating political analysis. Stay in school!


86 posted on 04/25/2007 6:20:07 AM PDT by Silly (http://www.sarcasmoff.com)
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To: Designer II
Conservatives are conservatives because of Jesus.

Unless they are Jewish.

87 posted on 04/25/2007 6:20:39 AM PDT by veronica
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To: Silly; Bigh4u2

“The adults are talking, kid. Go clean your room.

How very Christian of you.

Oh the hypocrisy.


88 posted on 04/25/2007 6:20:55 AM PDT by battletank
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To: TommyDale
As a matter of fact, I have supported unwed mothers.

Really. In what manner. I'd like to hear more about that.

89 posted on 04/25/2007 6:21:48 AM PDT by veronica
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To: Jim Robinson
Way to go, Jim!

The Giuliani administration's disgraceful abuse of asset forfeiture laws -- which were used to seize the vehicles of motorists accused of drunk driving (even those that were found not guilty in court) -- disqualifies this moron from ever holding government office in a free nation.

I'll post a lengthy rant on this specific issue -- with as much detail as I can get my hands on -- sometime over the next week or so.

90 posted on 04/25/2007 6:21:59 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Jim Robinson

“I do believe there’s global warming, yes. ...The big question has always been how much of it is happening because of natural climate changes and
how much of it is happening because of human intervention. ... The overwhelming number of scientists now believe that there is significant human cause.’’
The debate on the existence of global warming is “is almost unnecessary...because we should be dealing with pollution anyway.”

—Rudolph Giuliani, San Francisco Chronicle, February 12, 2007


91 posted on 04/25/2007 6:22:28 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Silly

I did. I think you’re taking something very simple and trying to make it complex. I did a research paper many moons ago when I was in college about gun control and it’s effects on society. There are numerous studies out there to support the fact that an armed society is a less crime ridden society. I wish I could remember details... there was a town - in FL I think - that had a rising crime problem - especially against women. They ran a very publicized campaign to arm it’s citizens - especially women - and the crime rates dropped dramatically. Now, if it works in ONE town, why would you think it wouldn’t work in the larger ones? It makes no sense to me for you to choose to disbelieve - it’s a logical extension of previous experiences.


92 posted on 04/25/2007 6:24:52 AM PDT by StarCMC (Honor military recruiters in all 50 states ~ May 19, 2007 ~ http://gatheringofeagles.org/?p=257)
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To: StarCMC
..but you have to realize that one of the reasons criminals feel free to attack people is that they don’t expect the average person to be carrying. If you remove the restrictions from law abiding citizens, at the very least, it would cause a mugger to stop and think about it.

A proven fact, pure and simple.

If anyone has any doubts, read the works of John Lott.

93 posted on 04/25/2007 6:24:57 AM PDT by evad
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To: calcowgirl; ellery
.......I just read a 1995 Newsday article about NY crime statistics. According to info they send to the FBI, “the rate of serious crime in Tallahassee is nearly 80 percent higher” than in New York City. You made a good point in your post about manipulating statistics. It’s an art, not a science. LOL. I collected those last week and posted them to ellery. Ellery has put together a pretty good collection of constitutional abuses, by the numbers........

N-i-c-e work. Your contributions to FR are greatly appreciated.

94 posted on 04/25/2007 6:25:11 AM PDT by Liz (Hunter: For some candidates, a conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it is my hope.)
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To: StarCMC
That is silly. Jesus would look at the pregnant woman and say “Go and sin no more.”

He would do much more than that. He would also admonish his church to provide for all her needs, until they were completely met.

Hey, what about your individual responsibility for your own sins? If you're so big on individual reponsibility, why are you relying on God's grace and Jesus' sacrifice to make up for your failings? You couldn't take personal responsibility for your sin even if you tried. Not even 1% of it.

See my point? Liberalism says, "We're not responsible, we're just born that way." Conservatism says, "We are responsible, now just watch us while we take personal responsibility -- and admonish others to do the same, loudly."

The Gospel says, "I am responsible for my own sin, but can do nothing on my own. I need God's love and grace to forgive my debts."

95 posted on 04/25/2007 6:26:16 AM PDT by Silly (http://www.sarcasmoff.com)
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To: veronica

LOL!!! ZING!

Actually - I think it should be “because of the Judeo-Christian moral code.” That’s actually more true.


96 posted on 04/25/2007 6:28:14 AM PDT by StarCMC (Honor military recruiters in all 50 states ~ May 19, 2007 ~ http://gatheringofeagles.org/?p=257)
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To: calcowgirl
“I do believe there’s global warming, yes. ...The big question has always been how much of it is happening because of natural climate changes and how much of it is happening because of human intervention."

There IS global warming. I was listening to Hugh Hewitt last week and he had a guy on who has written a book to counter Al Gore vis a vis global warming. And he said what Rudy said. The earth is warmer by a tiny (teeny-tiny) bit - BUT the question IS "how much of it is happening because of natural climate changes and how much of it is happening because of human intervention." You are trying to make it sound like Rudy buys in to the Gore version of global warming, which he does not.

97 posted on 04/25/2007 6:28:53 AM PDT by veronica
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To: Silly

Have I told you lately that your intellectual vacuity is s-o-o-o-o attractive?


98 posted on 04/25/2007 6:29:14 AM PDT by Liz (Hunter: For some candidates, a conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it is my hope.)
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To: freedomfiter2

I’m all for fighting it out in the primaries, but then I always support the Republican nominee, whoever it is, and I always vote.

“Third party,” “Write-in,” “Stay home” and “Leave blank” are the spoil sports who take the ball and go home.

The Third Party Perot vote gave the Presidency to Clinton in 1992, but I’m sure all those who voted for Perot were proud of themselves — they were able to get rid of GHW Bush.


99 posted on 04/25/2007 6:30:13 AM PDT by RottiBiz
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To: Silly

Don’t pick up the bait. ;)


100 posted on 04/25/2007 6:33:21 AM PDT by veronica
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