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Why Is Pizza Shop Owner That Shot Armed Robber Having to Defend Himself?
Fox News ^ | John Gibson

Posted on 04/25/2007 10:34:29 AM PDT by CCCnative

A story in the San Francisco Chronicle today describes a shooting in East Oakland in which a beloved young rapper was gunned down in the prime of life.

The rapper's nickname was Boonie, and not far from where he was shot dead a memorial has sprung up with flowers and hand-printed messages from his many friends in the neighborhood. "The world's gonna miss u," read one message. ... an Oakland cop actually saying he wants the citizens he is supposed to protect let themselves be victimized rather than defend themselves. Holmgren said: "We're not saying that we want citizens to go out there and arm themselves and take the law into their own hands. We want citizens to be good witnesses, to be good report-takers and to identify suspects."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; rapartist; robbery; selfdefense
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To: CCCnative
Holmgren wants subjects not citizens. I will not give up my second amendment rights because someone wants to be a cop.
41 posted on 04/25/2007 11:38:08 AM PDT by 4yearlurker (Liberals, A terrorists best friend!)
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To: Onelifetogive

Best witness you could ask for! He kept track of ALL the evidence!


42 posted on 04/25/2007 11:41:32 AM PDT by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamofascists, now ACT LIKE IT!)
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To: CCCnative
"We want citizens to be good witnesses, to be good report-takers and to identify suspects.""

He's right, you know. If only the Virginia Tech shooter had known the cops were only there to observe and take notes he wouldn't have gotten nervous and shot himself by accident, prematurely ending his right to act out his aggression.

We must continue to provide safe, target-rich environments for these poor souls or become known as a nation that has little regard for its troubled yutes.

43 posted on 04/25/2007 11:41:43 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: CCCnative
Oakland cop actually saying he wants the citizens he is supposed to protect let themselves be victimized rather than defend themselves. Holmgren said: "We're not saying that we want citizens to go out there and arm themselves and take the law into their own hands. We want citizens to be good witnesses, to be good report-takers and to identify suspects."

Where are the copsuckers? Not here to lick the jackboots yet and tell us why the "police are on our side?"

44 posted on 04/25/2007 11:52:45 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: All

There’s a new sheriff in town; his name is Ron Dellums, mayor, and a proud communist all of his professional life. After a 22-year run in the House of Reps, during which he was consistently voted the most ineffectual member of Congress, he brings his vision of “community policing” to Oakland. This looks like the first test for the seriously aging pinko to show whose side he favors. But I don’t hold out much hope for the people of Oakland. When Oakland-bred former drug kingpin Felix Mitchell was whacked in Federal prison, the leader of his endless funeral cortege in Oakland was...yep, Ron.


45 posted on 04/25/2007 12:04:00 PM PDT by DPMD (dpmd)
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To: CCCnative
The rabble rouser, John Gibson, might have bothered to mention that the police ALSO said the owner was within his rights; and, more importantly, that the DA said it was justified, and NO CHARGES would be filed.

This does no excuse Officer Krupke's Holmgren's assinine statements.

46 posted on 04/25/2007 12:12:39 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: CCCnative

You can’t defend yourself in today’s society. People who can defend themselves aren’t dependent on government. That lack of dependency is the cardinal sin to libs.


47 posted on 04/25/2007 12:14:03 PM PDT by TBP
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To: CCCnative
Holmgren,here is an idea, oh thou great worthless cop, you be a good report taker and a good witness. Had Holmgren’s family been the target, he would shoot to kill and laugh between photo ops.
48 posted on 04/25/2007 12:18:15 PM PDT by healy61
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To: CCCnative

So, if I came up to the rapper and stuck a gun in his neck, I would have been OK. He or his boys wouldn’t have killed me with their guns.


49 posted on 04/25/2007 12:29:50 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: wideawake

Probably a few “motorists” hold up stores, too.


50 posted on 04/25/2007 12:33:02 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: CCCnative

“Well, kind of. Actually Boonie was more than just another rapper. He was also a domestic abuser, a firearm brandisher, a convicted drug dealer, and on the day he died, an armed robber.”

Sez enough.

Rappers are a bunch of low-life dirtbags anyway.

Certain rights, like driving on a highway, can be only extended by the State as the State built and maintains the highways.

Other rights are granted solely by God, like the right to self-defense.

Only those authorities which GRANT a right can take it away.

Kalipornia is a mirror image of New York City on the West Coast.


51 posted on 04/25/2007 12:36:52 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: CCCnative

This is insane!

Even the stupidest rapper or brother in the hood — KNOWS he can get killed simply walking into the wrong neighborhood or night club wearing the wrong colors...

Why are the assholes horrified when one is killed going in to rob a business with a gun in their hand threatening folks?

It should be clear — commit a crime and you may die...
If you don’t want to die, cry or spend your life in prison, don’t do the crime — idiots...

Hell - in a sane world, it would be open season with bounties offered for thumping gangsters, rappers and any gang member with gang tattoos..

Semper Fi


52 posted on 04/25/2007 1:54:15 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Eastbound
If only the Virginia Tech shooter had known the cops were only there to observe and take notes he wouldn't have gotten nervous and shot himself by accident, prematurely ending his right to act out his aggression.

For all the cops at Virginia Tech running around with hardware and hiding behind trees while students were being killed, the gunshot that ended the rampage was not fired by any of the donut munchers at the scene.

53 posted on 04/25/2007 2:34:37 PM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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I’ll bet Boonie “was just about to turn his life around” but for this one moment, he had “lost his moral compass”.


54 posted on 04/25/2007 2:58:37 PM PDT by isom35
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To: archy
Well, to be fair, some of them are brave.

;'(

55 posted on 04/25/2007 3:52:14 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Let's Roll

Yes, the NRA has a legal defence team that helps in approximately sixty cases a year.

If you’re not a member, I am inviting you to join. Maybe your donations or membership dues can help this guy.


56 posted on 04/25/2007 5:21:31 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: CCCnative
"We want citizens to be good witnesses, to be good report-takers and to identify suspects."

Next time a convenience store is robbed and the owners/workers are killed lets just do that. As them to identify and give the notes they stood there taking to the cops so they can catch that mean old robber who blew them away. /sarc
57 posted on 04/25/2007 8:28:01 PM PDT by WasDougsLamb (cry me a river, then build a bridge and get over it !)
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