The disarming of America (mega-barf, fascism is here)

The Toledo Blade ^ | 4-95-07 | Dan Simpson

[atomic conspiracy]

Now, how would one disarm the American population? First of all, federal or state laws would need to make it a crime punishable by a $1,000 fine and one year in prison per weapon to possess a firearm......

The disarmament process would begin after the initial three-month amnesty......

Special squads of police would be formed and trained to carry out the work. Then, on a random basis to permit no advance warning, city blocks and stretches of suburban and rural areas would be cordoned off and searches carried out in every business, dwelling, and empty building. All firearms would be seized. The owners of weapons found in the searches would be prosecuted: $1,000 and one year in prison for each firearm. Clearly, since such sweeps could not take place all across the country at the same time. But fairly quickly there would begin to be gun-swept, gun-free areas where there should be no firearms. If there were, those carrying them would be subject to quick confiscation and prosecution. On the streets it would be a question of stop-and-search of anyone, even grandma with her walker, with the same penalties for "carrying."

[Little Ray]

Dunno. I’m glad you believe this and I hope you are correct. However, I’m near Atlanta and we have some cops up for murder charges for killing an old black woman. They basically admitted to lying to a judge to get a warrant. They did this in order to meet (idiotic) requirements set their by the superiors. I’d like to know a bit more about those requirements... But do think that cops that would lie to get a warrant would balk at rousting gun-owners?

Also, I recall that, a few years ago, they surveyed, at some level a bunch of Marines about conducting operations in the US to disarm American Citizens.
IIRC, a majority said they would do it.

[Oakleaf]

Daniel Simpson
AKA Daniel H Simpson

Born: ?

Gender: Male
Race or Ethnicity: White
Occupation: Diplomat

Nationality: United States
Executive summary: US Ambassador to the Congo, 1995-98

University: English, Yale University
University: African Studies, Northwestern University
Teacher: Eghosa Anglican Boys’ School, Benin City, Nigeria (1961)
Teacher: Libyan Army Military College, Benghazi, Libya
Administrator: Deputy Commandant for International Affairs, US Army War College (1993-94)

US Ambassador to Congo 1995-98
US Ambassador to the Central African Republic 1990-92
American Academy of Diplomacy
US Institute of Peace

http://www.nndb.com/people/752/000120392/

[Oakleaf]

Daniel Simpson
AKA Daniel H Simpson

Born: ?

Gender: Male
Race or Ethnicity: White
Occupation: Diplomat

Nationality: United States
Executive summary: US Ambassador to the Congo, 1995-98

University: English, Yale University
University: African Studies, Northwestern University
Teacher: Eghosa Anglican Boys’ School, Benin City, Nigeria (1961)
Teacher: Libyan Army Military College, Benghazi, Libya
Administrator: Deputy Commandant for International Affairs, US Army War College (1993-94)

US Ambassador to Congo 1995-98
US Ambassador to the Central African Republic 1990-92
American Academy of Diplomacy
US Institute of Peace

http://www.nndb.com/people/752/000120392/

[volunbeer]

I have always doubted the validity of that poll. I was an officer in the Army and my own informal polling on the topic led me to conclude that it would not happen.

Even if they started such a mission I don’t think very many would finish it after the first shoot-out with a regular Joe with a family.

Guns are an emotional issue for many but like most topics in the public debate today they seek more to assign blame rather than deal with the root causes of the problem.

With that said, I have taken plenty of heat on this board for my views which lean more towards more standard firearms instead of the exotic stuff where the risk to the public might outweigh my enjoyment of shooting said weapons.

I think we as firearms owners and the firearms industry as a whole need to try and be smart about what we do and don’t support. The first time someone uses a .50 caliber rifle to destroy an airliner full of people on the ground there will probably be massive public support for no more .50 calibers. That is one example that I can think of where maybe the risks to the public outweigh my individual rights. It’s not what I would do with it that I worry about...

[volunbeer]

Re: the cops in Atlanta....

Sad case and if they lied I don’t feel bad about what happened to them. Narcotics is something I am very familiar with and I have written many warrants myself. I am not a major fan of no knock warrants although I have seen a few instances where it was justified.

Like most things in law enforcement you always hear about the one that screwed up but never think much about the hundreds and thousands of warrants that take place each day without incident.

[Little Ray]

I’m a pretty radical pro-2nd Amdnedment type. I think that private citizens should have access to everything a Light Infantryman would... at minimum!

Have serious doubts about anybody ever using a .50 cal rifle to knock down an airliner. Maybe you could disable one on the ground with a few well placed shots, but taking out a flying one would be a heck of an achievment in marksmanship.

[DuncanWaring]

Short for “Jack Booted Thug” term used first by NRA spoksperson (who then backed down) ...

Actually, Rep. John Dingel (D-MI).

[91B]

Guardsmen?

The day we get an order like that at my unit is the day that most of us head for the door. They might get UN forces to carry out such a plan, but not U.S. forces.

[Alouette]

Call your house a “woman’s health clinic” and see if Dan Simpson will still send in his goon squads.

[William Tell]

Bluesguy said: "It’s one thing to fight to the death yourself but will you have the wife and kids leave the house first? Or will you arm them and go down as a family? Won’t that look lovely on CNN."

Once it becomes the policy of the government to confiscate firearms, then all government authority loses its legitimacy. You don't sit around waiting for these people to come to you. You dare not wait.

All police lose their legitimacy. Similarly, the army and national guard lose their legitimacy.

There would be no justification for anybody wearing a police uniform or a military uniform. If anybody does, then they would be claiming legitimacy for an unConstitutional gun confiscation. They would be the enemy.

As much as a uniformed officer might wish to continue drawing pay while such confiscations are contemplated, they would have an obligation to set aside their uniforms. Failing to do so makes them legitimate targets.

So, let's see what options a person might have.

He can sit idly at his own home waiting for the confiscators to arrive, risking the lives of his own family. Or he can visit those who threaten to confiscate firearms and let their families be at risk.

I have read that about one-third of the population during the American Revolution supported the rebels. About one-third were loyalists, and the remaining one-third were just trying to survive and remain in the middle. None of those roles was easy or without risk.

[oblomov]

This is utter lunacy. I don’t think it was written tongue-in-cheek.

Also...some ex-diplomat he is - he’s pictured wearing 1) a button-down collar that 2) appears to be too small for his neck.

[DocRock]

"delete the word “gun” and insert the word “liberal”

I agree, when do we start rounding them up?"

That is funny when you put in the context of taking them out of their protected environment when it is hunting season.

[absalom01]

Well, you have to admit that Dan is right about what it would take to implement a gun ban. You’d have to trash the whole constitution, not just the 2nd amendment.

[sam_paine]

Unfarginbelievable. No wait. Ah yes. The whiff of fascism Hillary was talking about!

[gridlock]

I think Rosie O'Donnell's Giant Gun Magnet has a better chance of success.

[atomic conspiracy]

This is the standard LEO argument as seen on the H&K forum, among others. Problem is, I am not the only gun owner in the country. You can’t isolate and surround a hundred million people piecemeal as you would a maniac or a drug gang, and reduce them one at a time.

What will those other millions of gun owners be doing while law enforcement applies massive force to a single target? People are not going to wait patiently in their homes for the jackboots to show up at the door. As we have seen here, many, many of the most skilled and experienced LEOs and military personnel would simply refuse orders to carry this out. The fascist authorities would still find plenty who would, or recruit low-level deputies from the thuggish moonbat population, but what are their chances of pulling it off?

Remember the resources that were concentrated at Waco. Now multiply that by a million or more.

If ATF had been trying to do the same thing to the whole state of Texas that they were trying to do to the Davidians, they never would have reached that compound.

[Thermalseeker]

Yeah, well we're not Canada or Australia, we are still the U.S. I still have faith in my fellow conservatives.

I didn't mean to imply that there wouldn't be resistance if the Libs tried it here or that it could or would happen here that fast. I'm only pointing out how fast it did happen in two similar societies....frankly, I expected more out of our Aussie brethren....

[dpa5923]

Also, I recall that, a few years ago, they surveyed, at some level a bunch of Marines about conducting operations in the US to disarm American Citizens.

IIRC, a majority said they would do it.

Okay. I'm calling BS on that one. I spent 20 years in the Corps and I can say without a doubt that statement is utter BS!

[School of Rational Thought]

Simple fascist. He forgot to mention the need for brown shirts and jack boots.

[dighton]

Iowahawk’s take here.