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Congressional Leaders Moving To Pass Gun Control Without A Vote!
Gun Owners of America ^ | April 26, 2007 | NA

Posted on 04/27/2007 11:15:33 AM PDT by neverdem

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Apr 2007

Congressional Leaders Moving To Pass Gun Control Without A Vote!
-- McCarthy bill would treat gun owners even worse than terrorists

Gun Owners of America
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"Another gun rights group, the Gun Owners of America, is adamantly opposed to the [McCarthy-Dingell] legislation. It said the measure would allow the government to trample privacy rights by compiling reams of personal information and potentially bar mentally stable people from buying guns." -- Associated Press, April 24, 2007


Thursday, April 26, 2007

This is going to be a knock-down, drag-out fight. GOA continues to stand alone in the trenches, defending the rights of gun owners around the country. It's not going to be easy.

Gun control supporters want to pass gun control within the next couple of weeks. And that's why, even if you took action earlier this week, you need to do so once again.

All the gun haters (who have been keeping silent for a while) are now coming out of the closet and into the open. Take the notoriously anti-gun senator from New York -- Chuck Schumer. He has been very, very excited this week. Recent events have given him a platform, and the excuse, to push legislation that he had sponsored years ago -- legislation that never got through Congress.

You see, Senator Chuck Schumer has been, in past years, the Senate sponsor of the McCarthy bill (HR 297). And the recent murders at Virginia Tech have given Senator Schumer the pretext he has been looking for. Appearing on the Bill O'Reilly show earlier this week, Schumer did his best to make a reasonable-sounding pitch for more gun control.

He told O'Reilly on Monday that while he and Rep. McCarthy had previously worked together on this legislation, he now wants Congress to take up HR 297 quickly. "The Brady Law is a reasonable limitation," Schumer said. "Some might disagree with me, but I think certain kinds of licensing and registration is a reasonable limitation. We do it for cars."

Get the picture? First, he wants the Brady Law strengthened with the McCarthy-Dingell-Schumer legislation. Then it's off to pass more gun control -- treating guns like cars, where all gun owners are licensed and where bureaucrats will have a wonderful confiscation list.

In the O'Reilly interview, Schumer showed his hand when he revealed the strategy for this bill. Because it could become such a hot potato -- thanks to your efforts -- Senator Schumer is pushing to get this bill passed by Unanimous Consent in the Senate, which basically means that the bill would get passed WITHOUT A VOTE.

This is a perfect way to pass gun control without anyone getting blamed... or so they think. We need to tell every Senator that if this bill passes without a vote, then we hold ALL OF THEM responsible. (Be looking for a future GOA alert aimed at your Senators.)

On the House side, the Associated Press reported this past Monday that "House Democratic leaders are working with the National Rifle Association to bolster existing laws blocking" certain prohibited persons from buying guns. Of course, there are at least three problems with this approach:

1. It's morally and constitutionally wrong to require law-abiding citizens to first prove their innocence to the government before they can exercise their rights -- whether it's Second Amendment rights, First Amendment rights, or any other right. Doing that gives bureaucrats the opportunity to abuse their power and illegitimately prevent honest gun owners from buying guns.

2. Bureaucrats have already used the Brady Law to illegitimately deny the Second Amendment rights of innocent Americans. Americans have been prevented from buying guns because of outstanding traffic tickets, because of errors, because the NICS computer system has crashed -- and don't forget returning veterans because of combat-related stress. You give an anti-gun bureaucrat an inch, he'll take a mile -- which we have already seen as GOA has documented numerous instances of the abuses mentioned above.

3. Finally, all the background checks in the world will NOT stop bad guys from getting firearms. As we mentioned in the previous alert, severe restrictions in Washington, DC, England, Canada, Germany and other places have not stopped evil people from using guns to commit murder. (Correction: In our previous alert, we incorrectly identified Ireland as the location of the infamous schoolyard massacre. In fact, it took place in Dunblane, Scotland in 1996 -- a country which at the time had even more stringent laws than we have here.)

McCARTHY BILL TREATING GUN OWNERS WORSE THAN TERRORISTS

HR 297 would require the states to turn over mountains of personal data (on people like you) to the FBI -- any information which according to the Attorney General, in his or her unilateral discretion, would be useful in ascertaining who is or is not a "prohibited person."

Liberal support for this bill points out an interesting hypocrisy in their loyalties: For six years, congressional Democrats have complained about the Bush administration's efforts to obtain personal information on suspected terrorists WITHOUT A COURT ORDER.

And yet, this bill would allow the FBI to obtain massive amounts of information -- information which dwarfs any records obtained from warrantless searches (or wiretaps) that have been conducted by the Bush Administration on known or suspected terrorists operating in the country.

In fact, HR 297 would allow the FBI to get this information on honest Americans (like you) even though the required data is much more private and personal than any information obtained thus far by the Bush administration on terrorists.

And all of these personal records would be obtained by the FBI with no warrant or judicial or Congressional oversight whatsoever!!!

Get the picture? Spying on terrorists is bad... but spying on honest gun owners is good. After all, this horrific intrusion on the private lives of all Americans is presumed to be "okay" because it's only being used to bash guns, not to go after terrorists and criminals who are trying to kill us.

As indicated in earlier alerts, this information could include your medical, psychological, financial, education, employment, traffic, state tax records and more. We don't even know the full extent of what could be included because HR 297 -- which can be viewed at http://thomas.loc.gov by typing in the bill number -- is so open-ended. It requires states to provide the NICS system with ALL RECORDS that the Attorney General believes will help the FBI determine who is and who is not a prohibited person. Certainly, an anti-gun AG like Janet Reno would want as many types of records in the system as possible.

The provision that would probably lead to the greatest number of 'fishing expeditions' is that related to illegal aliens. Federal law prohibits illegal aliens from owning guns. The bill requires all "relevant" data related to who is in this country illegally. But what records pertaining to illegal aliens from the states would be relevant? Perhaps a better question would be, what records are not relevant?

ACTION:

1. Please take a moment to communicate your opposition to HR 297 -- even if you already sent your Representative a note earlier this week. We have provided a new letter (below) which provides updated information relating to the battle we are fighting.

House leaders are talking about bringing up this bill soon. And Sen. Schumer (in his interview with O'Reilly) even hinted at the fact that the bill could come up WITHOUT the ability to offer pro-gun amendments -- such as a repeal of the DC gun ban or reciprocity for concealed carry holders -- provisions that could potentially serve as killer amendments.

Also -- oh yeah, this is going to upset you -- Senator Schumer told O'Reilly, "I got to tell you, a lot of NRA people, they support this." Can you believe that? Senator Schumer is claiming to speak for you! That’s why it's so important that you once again tell your congressman that Schumer is wrong... that you're a supporter of gun rights who OPPOSES the anti-gun McCarthy-Dingell bill.

2. Please circulate this e-mail and forward it to as many gun owners as you can.

CONTACT INFORMATION: You can visit the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center to send your Representative the pre-written e-mail message below. And, you can call your Representative toll-free at 1-877-762-8762.

----- Pre-written letter -----

Dear Representative:

As a supporter of Second Amendment rights, I do NOT support HR 297, the NICS Improvement Act. I hope that you will OPPOSE this bill and urge your party leadership to either kill it outright or to allow other pro-gun amendments to be offered (repeal of the DC gun ban, reciprocity for concealed carry holders, etc.).

In its current form, HR 297 will treat gun owners even worse than terrorists, giving the FBI a mountain of private information on law-abiding Americans like me.

How is it that, despite all the criticism over the Bush administration's attempts to obtain personal information on suspected terrorists without a court order, this bill would allow the FBI to obtain massive amounts of information on ME -- information which dwarfs any warrantless searches (or wiretaps) that have been conducted by the Bush Administration on known or suspected terrorists operating in the country.

And all of this personal information would be obtained by the FBI with no warrant or judicial or Congressional oversight whatsoever!!!

How is it that spying on terrorists is bad, but spying on honest gun owners is good?

Again, I hope that you will oppose HR 297. Gun Owners of America will continue to keep me informed on the progress of this bill. Thank you.

Sincerely,

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In the O'Reilly interview, Schumer showed his hand when he revealed the strategy for this bill. Because it could become such a hot potato -- thanks to your efforts -- Senator Schumer is pushing to get this bill passed by Unanimous Consent in the Senate, which basically means that the bill would get passed WITHOUT A VOTE.

This is a perfect way to pass gun control without anyone getting blamed... or so they think. We need to tell every Senator that if this bill passes without a vote, then we hold ALL OF THEM responsible. (Be looking for a future GOA alert aimed at your Senators.)

You can modify GOA's talking points to make it look more original; the more original it looks, the better. Just don't copy it as is.

1 posted on 04/27/2007 11:15:34 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ...
Enemy action .

Good work, neverdem.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

2 posted on 04/27/2007 11:19:21 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: neverdem

Ok, lemme float this idea out there for general consumption...

Lets say this all goes down...And “our” personal information is somehow collected by the government...For whatever nefarious purpose...

Obviously the vehicle for this collection is based upon a gun-control bill...

Logically you must realize the government already has your personal information already on you...Its been like that for years...

If the offensive nature about this bill is that it is being collected based upon provisions in a gun-control bill...That is certainly cause to be concerned...But what is it you think they’ll do with this information (that they already have to begin with)...

Is the threat based upon the correlation between your personal information, and that you may have guns??? Is that what this could be construed as???

I’m not surprised, and yet I do value the privacy of my fellow gunowners and their opinions on this...

Of course I see the smoke, but someone show me where the real fire is on this thing...


3 posted on 04/27/2007 11:28:22 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: neverdem

How can the Senate pass anything without a vote, as there is no chance whatsoever of “unanimous consent”?


4 posted on 04/27/2007 11:30:20 AM PDT by Sender ("She is the friendly face of America; where Condi frowns, Nancy smiles." (Syria))
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To: neverdem

I hope that everyone who voted for or gloated over the Democrat victory in 2006 will now consider the consequences of having the far left wing in control of both houses of Congress.


5 posted on 04/27/2007 11:30:56 AM PDT by snowsislander (NRA)
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To: neverdem

Cramer says it doesn’t. http://www.claytoncramer.com/weblog/2007_04_22_archive.html#1350991542013156171


6 posted on 04/27/2007 11:36:56 AM PDT by anglian
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To: stevie_d_64
Of course I see the smoke, but someone show me where the real fire is on this thing...

Easy enough....shall not be infringed. Blackbird.

7 posted on 04/27/2007 11:37:57 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST ("The best counter to terrorism is shear terror." Blackbird.)
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To: snowsislander
I hope that everyone who voted for or gloated over the Democrat victory in 2006 will now consider the consequences of having the far left wing in control of both houses of Congress.

Hmmm. I "considered the consequences" and bought a 870 Express Magnum (as a companion piece to my other one), a replacement barrel for my Garand and an additional 1200 rounds. Since I'm not part of your big lie, have those of you who insist on electing liberals "considered the consequences"? Blackbird.

8 posted on 04/27/2007 11:44:30 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST ("The best counter to terrorism is shear terror." Blackbird.)
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To: neverdem

Schumer, an anti-American homegrown terrorist, is giving notice. Americans who value gun ownership rights guaranteed by our Constitution had better buy their weapons and ammo now. Time is coming when all gun sales will be criminalized and gun owners will be heavily regulated and hounded by
authorities”.


9 posted on 04/27/2007 11:47:19 AM PDT by caisson71
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To: Sender

There’s a better chance George W. Bush would get an Executive Bonus from Congress by unanimous consent than this bill getting through that way.


10 posted on 04/27/2007 11:51:32 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!)
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To: anglian

Thanks for the link. I still am not comfortable with the idea. Stalinists are controlling the Congress now. Remember how the commies abused psychiatry in the Soviet Union.


11 posted on 04/27/2007 11:54:44 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

where is the NRA ?


12 posted on 04/27/2007 11:58:06 AM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: BlackbirdSST
I "considered the consequences" and bought a 870 Express Magnum (as a companion piece to my other one), a replacement barrel for my Garand and an additional 1200 rounds. Since I'm not part of your big lie, have those of you who insist on electing liberals "considered the consequences"?

I am suggesting that those folks who voted for Democrats in 2006 consider changing their vote next time, so I am not sure what your reference to a "big lie" might be.

As to buying more guns, well, I am wholly in favor of that. In fact, I am considering enlarging the collection a bit myself.

13 posted on 04/27/2007 12:09:48 PM PDT by snowsislander
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To: stevie_d_64
If the offensive nature about this bill is that it is being collected based upon provisions in a gun-control bill...That is certainly cause to be concerned...But what is it you think they’ll do with this information (that they already have to begin with)...

Are you saying that the government already knows the make, model, serial number of every gun I own? Even those purchased privately?

The whole point is - the government, by this law and those in the future built on it, would provide a complete list of all firearms owned - thus, you pigeon hole some away for a "rainy" day - they will "Know" and you will be in deep doo when they come to confiscate and you don't give them up.

14 posted on 04/27/2007 12:10:19 PM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: BlackbirdSST

That was wayyyyy TOO easy!!!

You get an “F” for effffffffort! ;-)

But an “A” for understanding the show!

Think of it like this...The gun-control agenda is like that fly in the ointment...You can pick that carcass out of there, and the oinment’s still good, right???

Its frustrating to know there is an effort to get your guns on this...And yep, that their goal...

I would say their chances of success are non-existent...

The problem is there will be too many of us that will not turn them in, or allow them to be confiscated...

And there is not a single enforcement agency out there with the numbers, or will, to enforce an order to do so...

Its aggravating to watch, and I find myself getting caught up in it from time to time...But all I know is that I still have my guns...And many others I know still do as well...And its just going to be extremely difficult for that fact to change...


15 posted on 04/27/2007 12:13:54 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: neverdem

Does that idiot Carolyn McCarthy realize that a single citizen with a concealed weapon could have saved her husband’s life?


16 posted on 04/27/2007 12:19:54 PM PDT by montag813
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To: montag813

No...And never will...


17 posted on 04/27/2007 12:21:07 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: neverdem

I was just waiting for this to happen after VA Tech.


18 posted on 04/27/2007 12:30:43 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: TheBattman
"Are you saying that the government already knows the make, model, serial number of every gun I own? Even those purchased privately?"

Nope, thats silly...They could find out the ones you did buy with the info on the 4473's you got out there...

"The whole point is - the government, by this law and those in the future built on it, would provide a complete list of all firearms owned - thus, you pigeon hole some away for a "rainy" day - they will "Know" and you will be in deep doo when they come to confiscate and you don't give them up.

Absolutely...But I refer you to the latter part of post #15 for a reality check...

You, like many others, and myself, have the right idea...Just don't go counting chickens before the eggs actually hatch...
19 posted on 04/27/2007 12:33:29 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: neverdem
Take the notoriously anti-gun senator from New York -- Chuck Schumer. He has been very, very excited this week. Recent events have given him a platform, and the excuse, to push legislation that he had sponsored years ago -- legislation that never got through Congress.

"I've come to believe that he needs a certain level of violence in this country. He's willing to accept a certain level of killing to further his political agenda." Wayne LaPierre of the NRA was widely blasted when he made this comment during the Klintoon Administration, but Upchuck Schumer seems determined to prove that LaPierre was right on target.

20 posted on 04/27/2007 12:34:43 PM PDT by TBP
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To: BlackbirdSST
("The best counter to terrorism is shear terror." Blackbird.)

Off with their beards!

;^)

21 posted on 04/27/2007 12:40:34 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: snowsislander
I hope that everyone who voted for or gloated over the Democrat victory in 2006 will now consider the consequences of having the far left wing in control of both houses of Congress.

Dude, pi$$ off .... we didn't leave the GOP the GOP leaned too far left.

You can't beat a socialist in an election with socialism-lite.

22 posted on 04/27/2007 12:42:52 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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To: LeoWindhorse
where is the NRA ?

At the post office, dropping off more junk mail.

23 posted on 04/27/2007 12:46:17 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: BlackbirdSST

“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe.” —Noah Webster


24 posted on 04/27/2007 12:46:58 PM PDT by Gone_Postal (Communism works only in Heaven, where they don’t need it, and in Hell, where they’ve already got)
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To: neverdem

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38ce7da50947.htm


25 posted on 04/27/2007 12:47:42 PM PDT by TBP
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To: neverdem

“There are those in America today who have come to depend absolutely on government for their security. And when government fails they seek to rectify that failure in the form of granting government more power. So, as government has failed to control crime and violence with the means given it by the Constitution, they seek to give it more power at the expense of the Constitution. But in doing so, in their willingness to give up their arms in the name of safety, they are really giving up their protection from what has always been the chief source of despotism—government. Lord Acton said power corrupts. Surely then, if this is true, the more power we give the government the more corrupt it will become. And if we give it the power to confiscate our arms we also give up the ultimate means to combat that corrupt power. In doing so we can only assure that we will eventually be totally subject to it.” —Ronald Reagan


26 posted on 04/27/2007 12:50:27 PM PDT by Gone_Postal (Communism works only in Heaven, where they don’t need it, and in Hell, where they’ve already got)
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To: anglian
Interesting link. So he saying there is nothing in the bill allowing the FBI to say

"All Your Info Are Belong To Us".

27 posted on 04/27/2007 12:51:16 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: Joe Brower

It's just about time.

28 posted on 04/27/2007 12:58:29 PM PDT by Sender ("She is the friendly face of America; where Condi frowns, Nancy smiles." (Syria))
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To: montag813
Does that idiot Carolyn McCarthy realize that a single citizen with a concealed weapon could have saved her husband’s life?

Yes, and she couldn't care less.

29 posted on 04/27/2007 12:58:52 PM PDT by TBP
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To: Centurion2000

“If the people fail to vote, a government will be developed which is not their government... The whole system of American Government rests on the ballot box. Unless citizens perform their duties there, such a system of government is doomed to failure.” —Calvin Coolidge


30 posted on 04/27/2007 1:00:29 PM PDT by Gone_Postal (Communism works only in Heaven, where they don’t need it, and in Hell, where they’ve already got)
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To: Centurion2000
You can't beat a socialist in an election with socialism-lite.

Give hte people a choice between a Dimmycrap and a Dimmycrap and they'll choose the Dimmycrap every time.

31 posted on 04/27/2007 1:00:54 PM PDT by TBP
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To: neverdem

Thank you, neverdem. Done and passed this thread link on.


32 posted on 04/27/2007 1:06:03 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Sender

:-)


33 posted on 04/27/2007 1:06:59 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: neverdem

To stop unanimous consent all it takes is one senator to voice an objection, which is why this will never happen.


34 posted on 04/27/2007 1:09:16 PM PDT by Jim Verdolini
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To: neverdem
The part of the interview that jumped out was when Chuckie said “we need to get this done without debate” Talk about blatant!
35 posted on 04/27/2007 1:09:51 PM PDT by PEACE ENFORCER (Liberals; People That are So Open minded Their Brains Have Fallen Out !)
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To: muleskinner
At the post office, dropping off more junk mail.

I hope OUR cards are in that batch. I thought we would get them in two weeks, son told me last night we'd get them in 6-8 weeks. *bummer*

36 posted on 04/27/2007 1:10:01 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Jim Verdolini
To stop unanimous consent all it takes is one senator to voice an objection, which is why this will never happen.

But their audacity to make the claim in the first place is troubling. They'll keep on keepin' on.

37 posted on 04/27/2007 1:13:08 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: snowsislander

I hope so too... but there are many here on FR that are bragging about and looking forward to doing it again in ‘08. Ignorant and/or selfish they are! I’m not certain that my heart can take hildebeast being sworn in.

LLS


38 posted on 04/27/2007 1:22:04 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: BlackbirdSST

Hear, hear. Not a dime’s worth of difference between most RINO actions and Schummer & company’s.


39 posted on 04/27/2007 1:32:24 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Joe Brower

I contacted my congresscritters when I received this from GOA yesterday.

No Guns ~ No Rights!!


40 posted on 04/27/2007 1:33:25 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: bill1952

“We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office.” —Aesop


41 posted on 04/27/2007 1:38:54 PM PDT by Gone_Postal (Communism works only in Heaven, where they don’t need it, and in Hell, where they’ve already got)
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To: stevie_d_64

“Form 4473”

My Dad once observed, “In order for there to be a registration law, there must also be a deregistration law.”

But there’s no federal law requiring citizens to report private gun sales. Or for private buyers to register their purchases.

So.... ATFE agents appear at your front door and say that this stack of 4473’s says you own these guns and where are they, please? Answer, “I sold them all.”

(Yes, a new draconian `law’ could decree otherwise.)

Thoughts, anyone?


42 posted on 04/27/2007 1:50:26 PM PDT by elcid1970
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To: LibLieSlayer
I hope so too... but there are many here on FR that are bragging about and looking forward to doing it again in ‘08. Ignorant and/or selfish they are! I’m not certain that my heart can take hildebeast being sworn in.

I cannot understand why anyone who voted for Democrats and whose voting helped create the far left leadership now in place in the House and Senate would want to be posting on Free Republic when there numerous Democrat-oriented websites available. If one wants leftism, I would think one would be better served on leftist websites.

Casting a vote that put Nancy Pelosi in as Speaker of the House, probably the worst Speaker of all time, is just not conservative behavior as far as I can see. I would think that such behavior would be more in accord with the ideals expressed on other websites focusing on the far left.

43 posted on 04/27/2007 2:09:20 PM PDT by snowsislander
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To: LeoWindhorse; facedown; Tabi Katz; Joe Brower; El Gato; archy; King Prout; Billthedrill; Mulder; ...
where is the NRA ?

Your Gun Rights Could Soon Hang In The Balance

Comment# 11 on that thread had the NRA's position a few days ago. Now it's blank. I'm taking that as it's being reconsidered. I hope that is a good sign as this HR 297 could turn into a disaster with the left in charge of Congress. These commies care more about the rights of terrorists and nutjobs than the Constitution and natural rights.

44 posted on 04/27/2007 2:26:35 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: TBP

Thanks for the link.


45 posted on 04/27/2007 3:31:42 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: snowsislander

Having the ‘crats on power has been a great thing for the GOP so far.

The ‘crats have actually done nothing legislatively that I’m aware of, but in the process they have shown themselves to be even fruitier and nuttier than any VRWC propganda peice could claim they are.

They’re not going to get anything done because they’ve forsaken their incrementalism and are shooting their wads left and right. In doing so they are giving each other the hot foot and in reality are providing comic relief.

IMO, the rest of us should just keep our powder dry and hatchets scoured and wait for the real engagements.


46 posted on 04/27/2007 3:35:45 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Pelosi Democrats agree with Al Queda more often than they agree with President Bush.)
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To: elcid1970

Beat ya to it. Already sold all mine. Country leaders said that commoners don’t need them except for hunting, and I don’t hunt, so I sold them already.

Molon Labe


47 posted on 04/27/2007 3:38:36 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Pelosi Democrats agree with Al Queda more often than they agree with President Bush.)
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To: TheBattman
The whole point is - the government, by this law and those in the future built on it, would provide a complete list of all firearms owned - thus, you pigeon hole some away for a "rainy" day - they will "Know" and you will be in deep doo when they come to confiscate and you don't give them up.

It's the old saw: Registration leads to confiscation. 100% of the time. I teach history. History proves my point. All the modern 20th century despots started their reigns of terror with unilateral disarmament of the general populace. Death by Government. To the tune of 56 MILLION in the 20th century alone.

48 posted on 04/27/2007 3:44:13 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: LeoWindhorse
On the House side, the Associated Press reported this past Monday that “House Democratic leaders are working with the National Rifle Association to bolster existing laws blocking” certain prohibited persons from buying guns.

The NRA has been in the middle of this from the start. I think they have been working on part of the bill that would keep people who had minor mental problems from losing their Rights.
Make no mistake. The gun owners are going to see a law where real nutcases are going to be in the background checks. Here’s hoping the way the bill is written, Viet Nam Vets won’t lose their Rights because they visited a shrink.

The fun thing is most of the shrink’s patients are probably dems. Liberalism is a mental disease, after all.

49 posted on 04/27/2007 3:51:36 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Eagle Eye

“Molon labe”

The new movie about the Spartans at Thermopylae has brought that defiant response to national attention.

Would that, right now, the N.R.A. adopt “Molon labe!” as its motto!


50 posted on 04/27/2007 4:17:37 PM PDT by elcid1970
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