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Giuliani Continues Offensive Against Democrats In N.C Appearance
ABC12 ^ | 4/27/07

Posted on 04/27/2007 12:50:05 PM PDT by areafiftyone

(Raleigh, NC - AP, April 27, 2007) - Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani continued his offensive against Democrats on Friday, saying his party is best qualified to deal with wars against poverty at home and terrorism abroad.

Drawing from the first Democratic presidential debate the day before, Giuliani blasted his rivals for ignoring private sector solutions to health care and education.

"I'll be darned if I'm going to concede that Democrats care more about poor people than we do," Giuliani said during his brief base-building trip to the home state of Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards.

Giuliani said Democratic calls for mandatory universal health care would only exacerbate the cost of care by putting the system in the hands of bureaucrats.

Democratic candidates renewed their calls for universal health care during a debate in South Carolina on Thursday, saying that a new system would help streamline costs and cover the nation's 45 million uninsured.

"They're moving toward socialized medicine so fast, it'll make your head spin," Giuliani said of the debate, adding that private competition and limits on malpractice lawsuits could help bring down the cost of care. "When we want to cover poor people, as we should, we give them vouchers."

He also echoed that call in discussing education, saying that Democrats are unwilling to reform the nation's education system with charter schools. The former New York City mayor said he struggled to reform the schools in that city.

"We weren't really able to fundamentally reform them," Giuliani said, saying he was young and naive to think he could. "They have to be (reformed) if they are going to be a ladder out of poverty."

The combative criticisms added a new chapter to Giuliani's offensive against Democrats. He drew the ire of several Democratic leaders earlier this week when he said the country needs a Republican leader to maintain safety from terrorism.

He stood by those remarks Friday, telling a conference of North Carolina conservatives that Democratic presidential candidates, most of whom want to begin timed troop withdrawals from Iraq, are "retreating in the face of this terrorist threat."

"When, in the history of war, has a nation that decides to retreat, printed up a schedule of that retreat and handed it to its enemies?" Giuliani said.

Giuliani, who served as New York City mayor during the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, praised President Bush for his response to the event. Giuliani said the United States needs to continue to fight terrorism abroad and at home with "aggressive" use of military strength, the Patriot Act and electronic surveillance and interrogation.

"(Terrorists) do not respect weakness, they take advantage of weakness," Giuliani said. "They certainly respect strength."



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To: areafiftyone
"When we want to cover poor people, as we should, we give them vouchers."

Which means the government is still involved.

Rudy is no fiscal conservative.

101 posted on 04/27/2007 2:18:11 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Ben Franklin, we tried but we couldn't keep it.)
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To: avacado

Your welcome. The ‘rats want us to lose our heads. We need to have them lose theirs, or else Al-Qaida will take all of ours.


102 posted on 04/27/2007 2:18:19 PM PDT by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!)
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To: Bahbah
These are the things that need to be said.

Rudy has no credibility.

If he won't stand up for the lives of our unborn, how will you expect him to defeat the terrorists?

103 posted on 04/27/2007 2:19:46 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Ben Franklin, we tried but we couldn't keep it.)
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To: Diggity
Rudy is the only candidate who the democrats don’t have an answer for

Howard Dean is already triangulating Rudy on traditional values.

Rudy has no right, and independents/moderates are just going to vote for the Rat.

Rock and a hard spot.

104 posted on 04/27/2007 2:21:21 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Ben Franklin, we tried but we couldn't keep it.)
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To: Moose4
She probably will beat him in New York, which could be disastrous.

Why is that? Did W win NY? Rudy is well-loved around these parts. In my opinion, it would be a close race in NY and he'd definitely put NJ and CT in play.
105 posted on 04/27/2007 2:23:10 PM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Diggity
Fred is an actor turn politican.

He was involved in government BEFORE he became an actor.

He is amenable by nature.

Like Rudy is on partial-birth abortion, gay rights, gun control, etc.?

A gentlemen. No way can he attack the democrats the way they need to be attacked.

Peep the new Thompson thread. He just called Al-Qaida out and criticized the Rat withdrawal. Thompson has bigger stones than Rudy will ever have.

106 posted on 04/27/2007 2:23:46 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Ben Franklin, we tried but we couldn't keep it.)
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To: Miss Didi
Rudy is well-loved around these parts.

Funny, right before 9-11, Rudy's approval ratings as mayor were in the pits.

107 posted on 04/27/2007 2:26:37 PM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: avacado

The lesson “they” taught us sure as heck isn’t that there is no difference between Republicans and dims (at least most Republicans)... your examples prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

LLS


108 posted on 04/27/2007 2:35:00 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: SavageCrusader
There was NO nose holding when the stench from al gore and kerry were smashing your olfactory sensors. Your rhetoric is over the top and does not belong on FR! Since you only signed up a few days ago, you might even be an enemy plant!

LLS

109 posted on 04/27/2007 2:38:36 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: Moose4

every R gets auto 40% of vote ... ditto the D. the fight is always for the 20% of the voter ... many of whom pay no attention to politics. exceptions to 40/40 were Perot first time (19%) C (44) B(37) and 64 Goldwater (37% - I think).

H will very very likely win NY ... u should assume that unless the election is a complete landslide. I think NY has only gone R once in 80 years or so.
RG can make NY close and force her to spend time and money there. RG will spend big in NY media market because that also covers NJ, Conn and NE Pa.
IN California H will only be a slight favorite up but that also forces H to spend lots of time and lots of money to defend. An enormously expensive media and organizational state but 20% of the electoral votes you need to win.
RG (just like Bush both times) needs neither state to win but if he wins California, H can’t win the election - almost impossible.

when u get to the normal other Dem states that are imperiled, that is where it gets very problamatic for H.

however anyone that discounts her appeal to women (particularly single); the organization they have; her debating skills and the mucho money they will raise would be very foolish. like her or not she is a very accomplished politician.
the left wing 527’s will also spend unimagined amounts of money on her behalf


110 posted on 04/27/2007 2:41:02 PM PDT by fredalan
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To: Lakeshark
"Is there a Republican candidate besides Hagel that doesn't have a clear picture of our enemy?

Is Ron Paul a tower of power in the WOT for you?

112 posted on 04/27/2007 2:44:26 PM PDT by nctexan
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To: SavageCrusader
I think I’ll just keep my mouth shut and learn to love rudy

Don't listen to them. I've still got divots in my nose from 1996.

113 posted on 04/27/2007 2:44:40 PM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: SavageCrusader

I don’t support Rudy, but I do comprehend an anti-Republican bias in almost every post that you have made. All I am saying is that in 2000 and 2004, there was no nose holding. kerry and gore are as bad as any two satanists that the dims have ever run... kerry worships at the alter of elitist Euro-trash and the goracle worships money and mother Earth.

Bush is wrong on the border, wrong on immigration and wrong on NOT fighting back against the dims, but the economy and WOT are two shining accomplishments. Iraq may have been mishandled, but Bush was NOT micromanaging like Johnson did in Vietnam.

Bremmer, The State Department and General Casey were advising and working on the ground. Tenet (dim hack and incompetent ‘toon man) had the CIA so screwed up that he was giving Bush bogus intel and now is trying to project his failures upon Bush... just like the dims and socialist/communists in America are doing today.

LLS


114 posted on 04/27/2007 2:53:31 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: kots
Bush has lost his will to fight dems. He does not defend his administration or its policies

It's possibly genetic. Who could forget GHWB taking a dive in '92? Some times I fear there ain't no fight at all in them Bush dogs.

115 posted on 04/27/2007 2:53:48 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Crazies to the Left of me. Wimps to the Right.)
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To: nctexan
Heh.

I forgot he thinks he's a candidate.........

116 posted on 04/27/2007 2:59:21 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: areafiftyone

Dims are attacking W...Rudy is attacking dims..... G-d bless Rudy; he’s drawing blood!


117 posted on 04/27/2007 2:59:33 PM PDT by darth
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To: everyone

Good stuff, Rudy. Keep it up!

Maybe some of our foaming-at-the-mouth Rudy haters will now decide to vote for the Rats. Since baby-killer, gun-grabber Rudy is denouncing them, after all ...


118 posted on 04/27/2007 3:03:16 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charley the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: You Dirty Rats
Fred has done so---even today---but the difference between (so far) Rudy and everyone else is that Rudy is not just "supporting the war" or "supporting the troops": he's ACTIVELY blaming the Dems and attacking them for what they are, weak weasels.

Until Mitt, or McCrazy or even Fred Thompson start identifying DEMOCRATS as the problem as well as the terrorists, they will not gain ground on Rudy. Someone is advising him really well.

119 posted on 04/27/2007 3:03:28 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: Buckhead

Buck, I did not read your post before I made my comments-—almost identical. Ditto.


120 posted on 04/27/2007 3:04:13 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: Lakeshark
"I forgot he thinks he's a candidate........."

Both Hagel and Paul viewing themselves as candidates is a hoot!

121 posted on 04/27/2007 3:04:37 PM PDT by nctexan
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To: LS

Yes, attacks on the Rats (strong and sustained ones) are a high percentage of what’s been missing from this campaign, and this administration.


122 posted on 04/27/2007 3:04:44 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charley the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: Buckhead

Great post and right on target. It’s about time we had a candidate with the nads to call out the dems. Proud to be on the same thread with such a famous top-notch Freeper.


123 posted on 04/27/2007 3:10:07 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: kots
Seriously, get a life (or treatment). Reasonable people may agree who is the best candidate, but your fanatical attacks against fellow republican make me sick. Besides, take these Hitler comments elsewhere. Hitler massmurdered millions and comparing Hillary to Hitler make you look pathetic (and Hillary good). You should spend some time with dailykos people. In the end, you are very similar out of touch nutcases.

Ummm I didn't say that! I was quoting another Freeper!

124 posted on 04/27/2007 3:28:39 PM PDT by areafiftyone (.....We mourn and hurt and will never forget, but we don't live under fear.... Rudy Giuliani)
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To: areafiftyone

I agree with his statements, especially the ones about schools. Why is it that children could quit school in the 8th grade, help out their family by finding work, and move up the ladder to financial security, 75-100 yrs ago? I never knew my dad quit school after 8th grade. I thought he had a college degree! Mom told me after he passed away. He was deeply ashamed that he didn’t have a HS diploma. Go figure.

Now, we continually throw good money after bad. You think that kind of money was spent on public school education back then? Why, why, why, are our children being cheated out of a basic three R’s education? Nevermind, I think I know the answer to that :/


125 posted on 04/27/2007 3:39:53 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Head Caterer for the FIRM)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Hillary hate factor is high and the independents/moderates will vote for the one who inspires them and that will not be Hillary.

They will vote for Rudy.

John


126 posted on 04/27/2007 3:41:51 PM PDT by Diggity
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To: kots

I don’t believe we should compare any of the Democrats to Hitler. Terrorists YES - Democrats NO!


129 posted on 04/27/2007 4:03:11 PM PDT by areafiftyone (.....We mourn and hurt and will never forget, but we don't live under fear.... Rudy Giuliani)
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To: LS
Until Mitt, or McCrazy or even Fred Thompson start identifying DEMOCRATS as the problem as well as the terrorists, they will not gain ground on Rudy. Someone is advising him really well.

Your comment illustrates our main problem -- our guys don't fight.

Perhaps the most disheartening moment of the entire Bush Presidency was when he declined to defend his efforts on Katrina. I was in Mexico City on business that Sunday and I distinctly remember seeing the coverage and the President urging the Governor and Mayor to get the people out.

It never should have become his fault, but when he was unfairly attacked there was no counterattack. For that I don't blame the President so much -- he has to be Presidential -- but neither the Veep nor Congressional Republicans engaged the false attacks.

I understand that the Bushes have class and don't want to be political in a disaster. That doesn't stop the 'rats, though. The 'rats fight dirty and we're supposed to abide by the rules -- that isn't working.

I'm tired of being on the defense since the levees broke. We need to go on the attack!!

130 posted on 04/27/2007 4:32:17 PM PDT by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!)
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To: fredalan
H will very very likely win NY

Rudy couldn't even outpoll Hillary in the 2000 NY Senate race when he was mayor of NYC and she was a carpetbagger.

131 posted on 04/27/2007 5:20:57 PM PDT by dirtboy (JimRob's 12th Commandment: Thou shall not trash actual pubbies on FR to pimp false pubbies)
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To: dirtboy

Hmm. Just heard Glenn Beck say Rudy was LEADING in the polls until he got his prostate cancer.


132 posted on 04/27/2007 6:19:24 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: LS

I’ve never heard that.


133 posted on 04/27/2007 6:21:14 PM PDT by dirtboy (JimRob's 12th Commandment: Thou shall not trash actual pubbies on FR to pimp false pubbies)
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To: dirtboy
Here you go. Rudy up by 4.5 in the average of RCP polls.

He gained steadily as the election went on, and was on a trend line to win pretty substantially.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_giuliani_vs_clinton-227.html

134 posted on 04/27/2007 6:24:02 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: kots

I agree with your analysis. It reminds me of a new book release from Bernie Goldberg ‘Crazies to the Left of Me, Wimps to the Right’ which I plan to read soon.


135 posted on 04/27/2007 9:20:35 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: SavageCrusader

Yeah he does. Sounds like a good one too.


138 posted on 04/28/2007 7:44:30 AM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: Moose4

Spot on. You should consider a career as a Sunday AM talking head.


139 posted on 04/28/2007 4:56:25 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Ignorance should be painful)
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To: Moose4
I’m still skeptical that Rudy can beat Hillary. Maybe he can, maybe he can’t. She probably will beat him in New York, which could be disastrous. I still think we should be offering voters a much starker choice than the liberal Hillary vs. the liberalish (on many things) Rudy

The pro's, like Michael Barone, point out that Rudy, unlike any other potential GOP candidate, puts every state in play. That means he has the potential for extraordinary coat-tails. I would like to elect a thoroughbred conservative myself but there seems to be a dearth of electable ones running. If one were actually serious about tackling 2008 from a conservative standpoint, the strategy might best be, first, get over 2006; then recruit good conservative Congressional candidates who could well ride into office on a Rudy win. Join with Pat Toomey and others who seek to replace the rinos with conservatives.

Or, I suppose we could all spend the next year and a half pissing and moaning about how awful it all is.

140 posted on 04/28/2007 5:27:19 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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