Posted on 04/28/2007 9:57:35 AM PDT by kellynla
One other difference.
I don't see Christians making cell-phone videos of such goings-on being inflicted on Muslims.
Surely Bill Moyers or some such would have pointed it out to us in the interests of enlightenment.
(...where are the calls for 'tolerance' and 'diversity' to be practiced BY Moose-limbs, btw?)
NO cheers, unfortunately.
Christ asked forgiveness for those who tortured and crucified him. They did not repent and ask for forgiveness. Most people are not experts in Christian doctrine like you are. However, they try to emulate Christ’s behavior. This is a good thing and I believe she should be admired for her gesture. Why you feel she is not a real Christian like yourself is beyond me. You know nothing about her or her faith. As I recall, judging the faithfullness of others is quite contrary to Christian doctrine.
NOTHING will EVER destroy Christianity. EVER!
I don't see forgiveness and punishment as mutually exclusive, myself.
If this woman can forgive, that's great. Nevertheless justice must be served.
Can you even imagine those words coming from a TYPICAL (most frequently encountered) Muslim??
One would like, in the this troubled world, to say we could, but in all brutal honesty it would be a lie.
Crucial point. Christ asked for forgiveness for those who killed him. This dimwit is asking forgiveness for those who killed someone else. Can't be done. It's especially hollow if the killers haven't repented and asked for forgiveness.
However, they try to emulate Christ’s behavior.
She's not emulating His behavior.
This is a good thing and I believe she should be admired for her gesture.
I don't admire empty misguided gestures. There's no reason anyone should.
Why you feel she is not a real Christian like yourself is beyond me.
Because of her actions. That's why.
You know nothing about her or her faith.
I know more than enough. The evidence is right here in front of us.
As I recall, judging the faithfullness of others is quite contrary to Christian doctrine.
You recall incorrectly.
Have a nice day.
L
Then she did as Christ demanded. which is to love those who hate you. You say hate those who hate you. You seem to confuse forbearance with pacificism. Pascfism is to do nothing in the face of evil. But an expression of rage is really nothing but the evocation of satan.
.... and that is the difference between Christianity and the civil religion so often found on FR. The difference between us and you is that you have genuine confusion nver who the enemy really is. It ain't Islam. Islam is just a tool of higher and deeper forces of hatred. When you throw your hat in the ring with hatred of men, religions, cultures, perverts, socialists or whatever, you join up with the father of those wicked systems, so fight on the same side, believing you are waging war for "good."
Evil can be hated, and evil can be resisted with force. Indeed, it has to be. However, evil can never be CONQUERED by force. It can only be restrained. Evil can only be defeated by the love of Christ. I believe we well may see the explosion of the gospel in the Muslim world in our lifetime. If so, it may well come the way it did the first time 2000 years ago, with the witness of the blood of those who profess love and forgiveness in the face of hatred and evil.
No. She is saying that the gospel of Jesus Christ says that evil will be defeated by overcoming evil with good.
*applause*
Then what you have is a perversion of true Christianity. Don't blame me, I didn't say it first.
I pray for re-conversion of Turkish people to the Lord Jesus. In many cases they were once Byzantine Christians and were forcefully converted in order to survive.
She didn't say that. She said she forgave them. Big difference.
You say hate those who hate you.
Where exactly did I say that?
You seem to confuse forbearance with pacificism.
No I'm not.
an expression of rage is really nothing but the evocation of satan.
Nice dodge. When did I express rage exactly?
L
Rather, it is a perversion of biblical teaching to demand repentance before you love and/or forgive. You won't find that in the bible.
Really? Did Jesus condemn Herod for be-heading John the Baptist?
“If they did, then according to Christian doctrine, they must be forgiven.”
God forgives sins, he never said don’t hold killers to account on Earth.
Commas and periods are your friends!
Luke disagrees in 17:4-"And if he sins against you seven times a day, and returns to you seven times, saying, 'I repent,' forgive him."
Then there's Luke 17:3-17:3,4 If thy brother shall trespass against thee, rebuke him
So there's you, and then there's Luke.
This foolishness about forgiving people who haven't asked for it or sincerely repented for their transgressions isn't Christianity.
L
God forgives sins, he never said don’t hold killers to account on Earth.
Sounds like you guys have some serious confusion over the relative roles of forgiveness and executing justice. If justice has to be thrown out in order to forgive, then no Christian could ever serve in the army, the police force, work as a judge, be a jailer, or even be a lawyer (ok, well, maybe you got me on the last one :-)
There is nothing mutually exclusive about executing justice and offering my personal forgiveness. Indeed, in Christian England, criminals sentenced to the gallows had assigned preachers whose jobs it was to preach the gospel to men condemned to death, so that they might be forgiven. It is not the job of the individual to administer justice, that is the job of the state. As free republic shows, individuals are too hot headed and emotionally driven to be entrusted with dispensing justice. Contrarywise, it is not the job of the state to extend forgiveness. Its job is to blindly administer justice. Individuals are citizens of the state, and the state is composed of individuals, so the two worlds can touch, but they should not be meshed.
“Crucial point. Christ asked for forgiveness for those who killed him. This dimwit is asking forgiveness for those who killed someone else. Can’t be done. It’s especially hollow if the killers haven’t repented and asked for forgiveness.”
Murder harms more than the person who is murdered, it harms those who loved the victim too. She is well within Christian doctrine to forgive someone for causing her pain. Just because the Bible refers to forgiving those who repent, doesn’t mean that it is stating not to forgive those who don’t.
Just curious, what is your background that makes you such an “expert” on Christianity?
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