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California Interchange Collapses After Tanker Fire
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,269118,00.html ^

Posted on 04/29/2007 12:08:56 PM PDT by Grendel9

OAKLAND, Calif. — A section of freeway that funnels traffic off the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge collapsed early Sunday after a gasoline tanker truck overturned and caught fire, authorities said.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: baybridge; energy; gasoline
Awesome. Looks like lava flow hit it. But wait...gasoline doesn't burn hot enough to "melt" steel and concrete! Is this another instance of henchmen of President Bush setting off bombs ala the Twin Towers? Oh my!
1 posted on 04/29/2007 12:08:56 PM PDT by Grendel9
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To: Grendel9

Put the coffee down and slowly back away...


2 posted on 04/29/2007 12:12:35 PM PDT by John123 (Bill barely mentions Hillary in his memoirs... I will now light myself on fire)
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To: Grendel9

Does anyone have Rosie O’Fatso’s email address? We need to get her engineering knowledge involved at once!


3 posted on 04/29/2007 12:13:41 PM PDT by hardworking (Being a rapist is one thing, but cheating at golf? Are you sure you want Bubba in the W.H.?)
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To: Grendel9

Haven’t you seen the kerosene/rabbit cage experiment? It has been proven, time and time again, that steel cannot melt!


4 posted on 04/29/2007 12:14:32 PM PDT by gridlock (Enough already about Virginia Tech!)
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To: gridlock

Missed that one. Was the rabbit still inside?


5 posted on 04/29/2007 12:18:17 PM PDT by Grendel9
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To: Grendel9

Wow. Fox is showing the pictures now. Wonder if Rosie knows that there’s tape showing FIRE MELTS STEEL. News flash for her.


6 posted on 04/29/2007 12:19:02 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: Grendel9
Precisely. Steel does not have to melt to fail in a structure. Anyone who's even seen a medieval-style blacksmith work at a Renaissance Fair knows that steel becomes malleable far cooler than it becomes liquid. Morons like Charlie Sheen and Rosie O'Donnell should be dragged to the site of this accident and have pieces of the steel that failed, stuck up their .... noses. (You thought I was going to say something else, didn't you?)

Congressman Billybob

Latest article: "To Raise the Edifice (Geo. Washington on the Constitution)"

7 posted on 04/29/2007 12:29:53 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Please get involved: www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: Grendel9

Rosie...the second time, LOOK fire does melt steel!!!


8 posted on 04/29/2007 12:44:47 PM PDT by TheBethsterNH (...in Northern Massachusetts, formerly known as New Hampshire.)
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To: Grendel9
Now, Rosie, are you going to go on The View tomorrow ...and in your usual "know-it-all" screaming match contest this incident...and say our Administration placed bombs in the girders of the bridge, and hired that truckdriver (who escaped, luckily) to wreck into the underpass?

Seems you used that "daydream" before when you told the world what you know to be true - that steel does not melt! LOL Are you going to be consistent with your falsehoods? Or don't you recall your lies, like most Narcissistic pathological liars? HoHum

9 posted on 04/29/2007 12:45:11 PM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)
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To: John123

Property damage claim, through the vehicles insurer, on this one will be a doosey insurance wise...guard rails and utility poles are billed 8K to 30K....but a bridge interchange whats that gonna cost?


10 posted on 04/29/2007 12:49:10 PM PDT by TheBethsterNH (...in Northern Massachusetts, formerly known as New Hampshire.)
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To: TheBethsterNH

The usual gridlock for this area is gonna be really bad for some time to come.


11 posted on 04/29/2007 12:57:55 PM PDT by umgud ("When seconds count, the police are just 10 minutes away!")
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To: Grendel9

This really sucks.


12 posted on 04/29/2007 1:01:21 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: Grendel9
See also:
BREAKING NEWS: Tanker Explosion Causes Freeway Collapse
  Posted by WSGilcrest
On News/Activism 04/29/2007 6:40:56 AM PDT · 192 replies · 5,643+ views


13 posted on 04/29/2007 1:02:57 PM PDT by RonDog
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To: Grendel9

“”Awesome. Looks like lava flow hit it. But wait...gasoline doesn’t burn hot enough to “melt” steel and concrete! Is this another instance of henchmen of President Bush setting off bombs ala the Twin Towers? Oh my!”

That was my first thought when reading this, it’s all Bush’s fault because we know fire can’t melt steel.


14 posted on 04/29/2007 1:11:06 PM PDT by NTegraT (There are two things certain: Death and Texas.)
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To: RonDog

Search really sucks on this forum....I didn’t turn up either thread so I posted a third one....


15 posted on 04/29/2007 1:11:28 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: hardworking
Who would want fat Rosie`s email,and anyone know if the driver was a Mexican?
16 posted on 04/29/2007 1:25:49 PM PDT by bikerman (_ _ . /_ _ _ /_ . . / / . . . . / . / . _ . . / . _ _ . / / . . _ / . . . //)
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To: TheBethsterNH

“but a bridge interchange whats that gonna cost?”

I doubt anyone is going to hire this idiot driver again - if he is ever let out of prison ...

Actually Kaiser Hospital is almost walking distance from the Maze and 580 goes right by it - I hope they keep his room number secret - I can just see angry commuters leaving their cars and storming the hospital to tar and feather this guy.

I’m driving by the Maze in an hour or so - to get a first hand look - then have a chat with a retired CalTrans exec friend of mine. What a nightmare.


17 posted on 04/29/2007 1:27:34 PM PDT by Bobibutu
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To: Grendel9

ROP terrorists...yep, true...at least in some folk’s minds...


18 posted on 04/29/2007 1:32:20 PM PDT by dakine
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To: TheBethsterNH

I’ll be first (on this thread, anyway) with a SWAG: $60 LargeLarge; 6*10^7; 60 Mil.


19 posted on 04/29/2007 1:45:59 PM PDT by Erasmus (This tagline on paid leave, pending investigation of its treatment of females and other minorities.)
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To: Erasmus

I see from the photo on the earlier thread that the section is 250 feet, not 250 yards as claimed in the news clip here. So I scale my SWAG by 3 and revise it to $20 Mil.


20 posted on 04/29/2007 1:49:31 PM PDT by Erasmus (This tagline on paid leave, pending investigation of its treatment of females and other minorities.)
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To: umgud
The usual gridlock for this area is gonna be really bad for some time to come.

Most people don't like gridlock. But my Momma loves me.

At least she says she does...

21 posted on 04/29/2007 1:56:29 PM PDT by gridlock (Enough already about Virginia Tech!)
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To: Erasmus
Let's start a pool.

How much should it cost?
$1-5 million, depending on whether they use the existing columns or start from scratch...

How much will it cost?
We're talking Caltrans here - $20 million sounds about right.

22 posted on 04/29/2007 3:04:36 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Grendel9

Schrodinger’s rabbit.


23 posted on 04/29/2007 3:15:16 PM PDT by GadareneDemoniac
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To: Publius6961

“How much will it cost?”

Caltrans sez - they must test the 2 adjoining structures first - may have to replace more than the single overpass section. “It’s going to be more than a month.”

I went by and joined the other rubberneckers for a look-see - woah! the pictures don’t do it justice. Looks like a JDAM strike took it out.

Oaklands Finest has a perimeter set up sealing off the area - no small task.

The good news - Caltrans is already at work.


24 posted on 04/29/2007 3:34:33 PM PDT by Bobibutu
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To: NTegraT

Bah! Too late. Halliburton has already been to all the local news outlets and removed the video of George Bush, Dick Cheney and Condolezza Rice personally setting the cutter charges. VRWC strikes again!


25 posted on 04/29/2007 3:39:32 PM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: Bobibutu

Yup...those kinds of things look far worse in real life than they are on TV. I remember the Pentagon after 9/11...you thought it looked bad on TV until you saw it live...it was WAY worse in real life. It’s hard to appreciate the scale of the destruction from a TV image.

On the subject of fire and steel, you don’t have to actually melt the steel to cause a collapse. In a hot fire such as this one, steel can lose something like 90% of its yield strength. It’s still technically a solid, but it becomes very weak, almost like putty, and collapses. This is what happened in the WTC.

Oh, yeah...I almost forgot to add...IT’S ALL BUSH’S FAULT!!!


26 posted on 04/30/2007 7:27:29 AM PDT by TampaDude (If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the PROBLEM!!!)
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To: bikerman

“Who would want fat Rosie`s email,and anyone know if the driver was a Mexican?”

From the article:

The driver, James Mosqueda, 51, of Woodland, was headed from a refinery in Benecia to a gas station near the Oakland Airport when the accident occurred, according to the California Highway Patrol.

Mosqueda? Yeah, he’s a Mexican...but the MSM will only see the “Mosque” part and cry ROP! BTW, what was that about allowing Mexican truckers to drive freely in the US???

The scary thing is, years ago I postulated this kind of thing being used as a “cheap and dirty” terrorist attack aimed as crippling our transportation infrastructure. Imagine 20 or 30 tanker trucks blown up all at the same time at key interchanges thorughout the United States. Chaos.


27 posted on 04/30/2007 7:35:32 AM PDT by TampaDude (If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the PROBLEM!!!)
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To: Grendel9

The trucking company name is Sabek Transportation. They may be held reliable for clean up costs. They were also involved in another truck/fuel accident. The driver worked for this trucking company for 10 months.

Mosquada’s room mate said they were hoping to start their own trucking business together. I don’t think Mosquada is game anymore. At least I hope he doesn’t get behind a wheel of a truck again.


28 posted on 04/30/2007 6:20:33 PM PDT by HollyB
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