Skip to comments.'Out-of-control' mormons guilty of child cruelty
Posted on 05/03/2007 10:48:30 AM PDT by Gamecock
A pair of Mormon churchgoers who force fed six young children tablespoons of hot chilli powder were found guilty of child cruelty offences today.
Maria Keable and Deirdre Carrington punished the four girls and two boys, all aged under 16, by making them eat tablespoons of chilli powder or raw chillies, raw eggs, and stinging them with nettles.
The children were also routinely hit with wooden rolling pins and lined up in a row and punched and kicked. One boy was also gagged, tied to a bed and covered with a sheet.
He was also forced to administer the stinging nettle treatment to the other children for fear of being hit.
The best friends' reign of physical and emotional cruelty over the children in Ramsgate, Kent, lasted for nine years.
The jury of nine men and three women at Canterbury Crown Court took five hours to convict them both of six child cruelty offences and one assault charge.
Keable, a 60-year-old Macedonian, regarded her actions as Christian and believed in "love with boundaries".
One boy, now aged 12, told the jury during the two-and-a-half week trial that Keable would substitute chilli powder with raw, chopped chillies if she ever ran out. He said: "We sometimes cried because it was really hot and all she'd do was just whack us and give us some more."
On another occasion he was set upon by both women, who pushed him back and forth between them "like a football".
Carrington also carried out the chilli pepper punishment, the boy said.
Carrington told police she was having "emotional problems" when she made one girl eat chilli powder.
The chilli-powder punishment was also given to a two-year-girl.
Keable told police that "in her country, the use of chilli was normal" and that she believed "her motives were Christian".
She admitted to police she hit the children for not eating raw eggs and honey because it was a "healthy part of their diet".
Carrington, 41, of Chiswick, west London, and Keable, of Ramsgate, both denied six counts of child cruelty and one assault charge between January 1997 and January last year.
They met at a Mormon temple in London 10 years ago. They also attended Mormon churches in Deal and Canterbury in Kent.
Prosecutor Robin Johnson told the jury: "This was a case of two women who were completely out of control and were acting in a disgraceful way to these children."
Judge Timothy Nash remanded the pair in custody and indicated that he may sentence later on today.
Judge Nash, referring to the assault charge, told the two women: "This isn't excessive chastisement in the court's view. It may have started off like that but there came a time towards the later years where it had an element of sadism, I think, about it."
The children were punished by the pair for not completing their chores satisfactorily. The judge said: "I'm quite satisfied that where nettles were concerned it was no botany lesson."
Addressing the pair he said: "Deidre wouldn't say boo to a goose. The strength lay with Maria. This matrimonial figure, initially perhaps with the best intentions, took complete control and lost it."
He warned them that they both faced a custodial sentence and adjourned the case for pre-sentence reports. The next court hearing will be at the same court on June 4. The women were remanded in custody.
She looks like a character on South Park
I guess it’s a good thing for Romney that he’s not running for president of the UK.
WHEN IT'S COOKED TOGETHER WITH A BUNCH OF OTHER FOOD.
Did they shop at K-Mart? Because I think a headline of "Out-of-control K-Mart customer guilty of child cruelty" would have been just as appropriate.
I know this guy from Serbia, he said as a kid, all he had for breakfast was 2 raw eggs w/ sugar or honey.
The dude is pretty big.
“I guess its a good thing for Romney that hes not running for president of the UK.”
Ding! Ding! I think we have a winner!
Exactly what does the behavior of a mormon in the UK have to do with the average mormon in this country?
Seems to me this little story is the start of a smear campaign against Romney.
‘Out-of-control’ whites guilty of child cruelty
Take those kids out of that house immediately. What are they teaching these kids in that “religion”? That is some wacky stuff!!!
‘Out-of-control’ bowlers guilty of child cruelty
I suppose the fact that they played the “Christian” card opened it up for a discussion of their true religion....
‘Out-of-control’ nappy hos guilty of child cruelty
The purpose of the headline and the content of the article was to smear the Mormons.
Well....what will happen is that more people will become curious about the Mormon religion. The next time Mormon missionaries knock on their door, they will let them in just so they can learn more about the religion.
Also...I bet the the career of this journalist will not prosper.
Now you know, that the ONLY reason it states Morman is because one of our own is a Morman.
If this were any other religon, like Muslim or whatever, there would be no mention.
Or how about this headline, “God hating couple do....”
What does their crime have to do with them being mormon?
Can you imagine a story starting with ‘two democratic women’, because they met at a democratic committee meeting?
I expected to find they were punishing kids at the church or something. But the article doesn’t give any reason to associate their crimes with the mormon faith or that they are mormons.
So it seems like it was just a swipe at the religion.
I bet she’s an SUV driver too.
She's just a nutcase. Wherever she picked up her warped ideas on parenting, she sure didn't learn it at church I can assure you. What a Wacko!
Well here is a handy fact sheet for them, with footnotes!:
1. Mormons can become gods and goddesses.
2. Goddesses will spend eternity in full submission to their god-husband.
3. Mormon women will give birth forever and ever to spirit-babies.
4. Mormon men can have multiple wives in heaveneternal polygamy.
5. Heavenly Father is an exalted man who lives with his goddess wife, Heavenly Mother, on a planet near the great star Kolob.
6. American Indians are descendants of the wicked Lamanites, who were Israelites that God cursed with dark skin.
7. God the Father had sex with Mary to conceive Jesus, who is the half brother of Lucifer.
8. All Christian churches are an abomination.
9. Mormons need 4 secret handshakes to get into the Celestial heaven.
10. Joseph Smith revealed that the actual Garden of Eden is in Jackson County, Missouri.
 Journal of Discourses 1:50-51; J of D 8:115; Doctrine and Covenants Section 132:20
 Doctrine and Covenants 84:33-9; Goddesses are always subject to a god. Women are denied the Priesthood (meaning they are denied authoritynot the same as Catholic priesthood). In the LDS universe, theologically described as the real eternal universe, each man who achieves the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom is worth many times more than each woman, even the women who qualify at that highest Celestial level, because each man who achieves Godhood-level may have numerous God-wives, but each God-wife may have only one husband. This can only mean that each heavenly father is worth many times more than each heavenly mother. And, even if the ratio were strictly one to one, the male God, not the female God, holds the priesthood authority and is the only one of the God parents to whom his earth-mortality children are allowed to pray. So Mormon women can never, NEVER achieve equality with men, no matter how outstanding or righteous the women are. Thats just the way its set up. MORMON WOMEN, PROZAC® and THERAPY By Kent Ponder, Ph.D. e-mail address: email@example.com http://home.teleport.com/~packham/prozac.htm.
 LDS Apostle Orson Pratt wrote, Each father and mother will be in the condition to multiply forever and ever (The Seer, 37).
 Doctrine and Covenants 132; Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 11:269; Men can still be sealed for eternity (not time) to women other than their wives; The practice of polygamy has been discontinued, but the doctrine of polygamy has never been revoked. D&C 132 is still part of the LDS canon. And some current church practices are still based on polygamous principles. See pro-Mormon site http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2005/08/02/eternal-polygamy/ (accessed February 25, 2007).
 Pearl of Great Price, Abraham 3:2-4, 9; J of D, 26:214.
 Book of Mormon: Alma 3:6-19; 3 Nephi 2:14-15; Enos 1:20; J of D, 7: 290-291.
 Journal of Discourses 8: 116; J of D 8: 211; J of D 8: 115; Mormon Doctrine p.546-547.
 Pearl of Great Price, Joseph SmithHistory 1:19. Smith claimed God sent him to restore true Christianity.
 Celestial Kingdom is the highest of 3 levels in the Mormon heaven (need handshakes to get past the angel guarding the veil); See ex-Mormon site http://www.mormoncurtain.com/(accessed February 25, 2007); David John Buerger, The Mysteries of Godliness: A History of Mormon Temple Worship, http://lds-mormon.com/buerger.shtml (accessed February 25, 2007).
 Doctrine and Covenants 116; Journal of Discourses, 10:235; Smith named the Spring Hill, Daviess County, Missouri area Adam-Ondi-Ahman.
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What IS it with all the Mormon threads on FR lately? If Romney wins the primaries this place will explode.
How would you know that? I don’t know much about the religion except what I learned from here at FREEPERS and bottom line is most think it is a cult. What a Wacko!
And Romney's a Mormon (whispers "Mormon")
Rush listeners will get that one.
Members of the Church found guilty of child abuse are also subject to the laws of God. President Hinckley has said: "Our hearts reach out to the offender, but we cannot tolerate the sin of which he may be guilty. Where there has been offense, there is a penalty." Convicted child abusers are excommunicated, the highest possible discipline our faith can impose. Excommunicated members cannot take part in Church meetings or hold responsibilities of any kind within the congregation.
Because I know some dimwit will say that child abuse is an accepted practice in the LDS Church.
Hmmmm....something I noticed as well.
I am willing to bet that being Mormon had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that these women are crazy and horrible parents. Just like I don’t assume that all evangelical Christian parents are nutcases like the Pearls.
Just like the fact that I am Catholic has nothing to do with the fact that I made my daughter put her bike away after riding it, which apparently has made me the world’s meanest mom. Judging by the way she’s carrying on anyway.....
(sorry about the double hit there...
Is this a typical Mormon belief or just something this family believed in?
Just like Mountain Meadows or polygamy.
My parents tried to use hot peppers and chili spices on me when I was a kid, but it didn't go over to well, and realized it was a mistake and dumped it.
peppers don't always do the trick.
Let alone the Editor who approved it.
Seems to me like an all-out effort to avoid taking a swipe at their sexual orientation. We aren't even told which woman was the natural mother of those children, or if neither one was. The cat doesn't come out of the bag until the end of the article, when judge refers to the older woman as a "matrimonial figure".
Instead the author goes on and on about Mormon this and Mormon that, as if the Mormons would actually sanction this arrangement.
I know about that as a member of the church and having grown up in the Church all my life. There is NOTHING in our religion, beliefs, doctrine, practices, traditions or culture that sanctions this kind of behavior. If I were to make a prediction, this woman is going to be in danger of excommunication.
There's wackos in all faiths. If we were to characterize every religion by the wackos that happen to belong to them and hold them up as an example of that religion per se, there would be no religions left in the world worth believing in.
This one kind of surprised me, although it really shouldn't. It's just sad when people feel justified in using religion to justify their cruelty. I hope the kids can get removed from that environment and have a chance to recover from the hell they've had to go through.
to match the smear campaign here on fr against Rudy?......seems plenty of Mitt fans have been active on that front.
I get it. You are an anti-mormon bigot that is using a report on child abuse as an attack on the LDS religion.
EXTRINSIC religiosity and AUTHORITARIANISM and DISCIPLINE WITHOUT RELATIONSHIP
produce rebellion and horror quite routinely.
I know that there are crazies in every religion. I am Catholic and I believe we have 3 for sure...I know I don’t have to list them. lol. I agree that this women is just nuts to do this to her children and did not learn it from a religion.
You mean they were lesbians? I didn’t catch that at all.
You know why? because it said they were mormons. So I assumed they did this at some sort of day-care environment, or maybe to their own children when they watched them together, a children’s play group.
I never thought they were living together.