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Flying while Muslim
13ABC.com ^ | 5/7/07 | WTVG TV 13

Posted on 05/07/2007 9:28:24 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo

Muslims say when booking a flight, they feel everyone is watching them. Recently six Muslim Imams were removed from a flight in Minneapolis, sparking the national debate: is there such an issue as "flying while Muslim", racially profiling Muslims after 9-11, or is it just prudent? Toledo area Muslims are aware of the controversy and many say they are deeply offended by it.

Here is what happened: six Imams were traveling from the Minneapolis - St. Paul airport. Police say the men where praying in the airport terminal. Some witnesses said they were praying loudly. Passengers became concerned with the repeated use of the word "Allah" during the prayers. Allah is the Arabic word for God and is always recited in prayers.

In addition, passengers became alarmed with the men's seating arrangements, requests by two for seatbelt extensions and alleged discussions about the U.S. involvement in the Iraq war. Passengers reported this as "suspicious behavior". The Imams were then detained, questioned and banned from U.S. Airways flights. So did the passengers over react?

"In this situation, absolutely, they falsely reported." Dr. Zaheer Hasan from Islamic Center of Greater Toledo says flying as a Muslim is disheartening. "As I board a plane, I see all the eyes tracking me. I see numerous visits by the airline crew. It affects me, but I can bear that."

There comes the time and the place, as some Imams endured, that it is too much.

Nadeem Salem says he is always singled out for random security checks when he flies.

"There is something underneath that is driving this that is really disturbing. I do believe it is racial profiling."

The Imams have now filed discrimination suits against the airline and unnamed passengers. Opponents of the suit say suing passengers will discourage others from reporting suspicious behavior, but some Muslims think differently.

"I think if you legitimately are afraid you are going to say something and you are not going to be concerned about whether someone is going to sue you afterwards."

UT student Sarah Alfaham says the suit makes a statement.

"I think that is really important. You can't be just accusing people for no reason."

Meanwhile, attorney Chereffe Kadri has a different take on the issue. "I have a problem with everybody being the eyes and ears because not everyone is trained, not everybody is well informed."

Kadri believes people need to know more before they jump to conclusions. "If you don't know what is normal, typical or ordinary, then how do you know what is out of the ordinary?"

Muslims we talked with say feeling uncomfortable is not reason enough to be kicked off a flight. They say the government needs to better define what suspicious behavior really is. Investigations by the airline and police show the airline and ground crews acted appropriately, but so far, no ruling on the discrimination lawsuit.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: flyingimams; muslims; taquiyya; wot
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"Nadeem Salem says he is always singled out for random security checks when he flies."

Bravo, Sierra.

1 posted on 05/07/2007 9:28:25 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo
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To: Cindy; Kakaze; Natty Bumppo@frontier.net; BusterBear; shamusotoole; Lijahsbubbe; BerniesFriend; ...

“Flyin’ Imams” ping.....

On or off this list, FRmail me. All requests honored.


2 posted on 05/07/2007 9:29:12 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Fight Crime. Shoot Back.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

CRY ME A FLIPPING RIVER!!!


3 posted on 05/07/2007 9:30:31 AM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: vpintheak

There are airlines in the Middle East. Fly there.


4 posted on 05/07/2007 9:32:40 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

All he has to do is renounce violence and make it known in the community. Then I would listen to his beefs, but not now.


5 posted on 05/07/2007 9:33:10 AM PDT by Thebaddog (Labrador Retrievers forever)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

wah!


6 posted on 05/07/2007 9:33:15 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
So when my Very Caucasian, Very Blond, Norwegian descended wife is pulled out to be searched...I should scream profiling? Swear to god, we've traveled 20 or so times since 9/11 and at least 85% of the time, she's been searched. Must be a some kind of freak coincidence...
7 posted on 05/07/2007 9:33:46 AM PDT by Explodo (Pessimism is simply pattern recognition)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Profiling remains the most effective means of keeping terrorists out of our lives. If anyone is so offended by the practice of profiling then I don’t care about their sensitivities. They need to sumbit to search or they can grow feathers and flap their arms. It’s all the same to me. They either conform to OUR SYSTEM or leave.


8 posted on 05/07/2007 9:34:41 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: Thebaddog

“All he has to do is renounce violence and make it known in the community.”

I’ll be waiting patiently right here for that.


9 posted on 05/07/2007 9:34:45 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Fight Crime. Shoot Back.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

>”Nadeem Salem says he is always singled out for random security checks when he flies.”<

Hey, I’ll make you a deal Nadeem, - get your co-religonists to stop blowing up people, and we won’t search you. Until then, STFU!


10 posted on 05/07/2007 9:35:46 AM PDT by NoBullZone
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
There is something underneath that is driving this that is really disturbing. I do believe it is racial profiling

I'm 3 for 3 in getting pulled out for double-secret searching. He's right about profiling: They hate Whitey.

11 posted on 05/07/2007 9:36:42 AM PDT by Ieatfrijoles ("Some hams hanging in the kitchen were taken out for burial")
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
This is one of the most ridiculously skewed accounts of the incident that I’ve read.
12 posted on 05/07/2007 9:36:59 AM PDT by The Blitherer ("What the devil is keeping the Yanks?")
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To: Explodo
Very Blond, Norwegian.....at least 85% of the time, she's been searched......some kind of freak coincidence....

HELLO! Anyone home ? LOL!

13 posted on 05/07/2007 9:37:35 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (If you're conservative, then support a conservative candidate like Duncan Hunter for POTUS.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
Muslims say when booking a flight, they feel everyone is watching them.

Sounds like a great reason to book online.
14 posted on 05/07/2007 9:37:50 AM PDT by Xenalyte (Cheese . . . milk's leap toward immortality.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

1. you get a big ‘Aaaawwwwww’ from me for being ‘singled out’. If you choose Islam and Islam makes NO bones about killing innocent ‘infidels’ using our airplanes, you have no right to expect NOT to be singled out and watched closely.

2. I don’t ever recall being asked my religion when purchasing airline tickets or going through screening. I’m not Muslim, but if I were, who’d know in order to keep a close eye on me?


15 posted on 05/07/2007 9:38:18 AM PDT by KingRonnie9
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
they feel everyone is watching them.

We are

"There is something underneath that is driving this that is really disturbing. I do believe it is racial profiling."

Well,Nadeem, it wasn't 13 Norwegians that killed 3000 of our countrymen

You can't be just accusing people for no reason

We're not "accusing" you of anything, we're just being prudent

"I have a problem with everybody being the eyes and ears because not everyone is trained, not everybody is well informed."

We're informed enough to be watching your a$$,and we're trained enough to put a pencil in your eye if you as much as go NEAR the cockpit door

16 posted on 05/07/2007 9:38:32 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
Dr. Zaheer Hasan from Islamic Center of Greater Toledo says flying as a Muslim is disheartening. "As I board a plane, I see all the eyes tracking me. I see numerous visits by the airline crew. It affects me, but I can bear that."

Even the ones on the people behind you? Nice trick.
17 posted on 05/07/2007 9:39:01 AM PDT by Xenalyte (Cheese . . . milk's leap toward immortality.)
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To: OB1kNOb

HA!

I will admit, she gets annoyed as hell when there is 4 arab males...one old lady and Her...

Pat. Pat. Pat. Check her carry on for sex toys and she’s on her way.


18 posted on 05/07/2007 9:39:29 AM PDT by Explodo (Pessimism is simply pattern recognition)
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To: Xenalyte

“Sounds like a great reason to book online.”

Zero chance of advancing their agenda, if they were to do that. That’s why they won’t book online.


19 posted on 05/07/2007 9:39:42 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Fight Crime. Shoot Back.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

I get pulled about 50% of the time. 6’5” caucasian male. Not sure what kind of profile I fill, except perhaps “knucklehead who forgets his car keys are in his pocket.”


20 posted on 05/07/2007 9:40:29 AM PDT by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
“All he has to do is renounce violence and make it known in the community.” I’ll be waiting patiently right here for that.

I am waiting as well, but I do think that we have to start pressing the point and help visitors to our country understand that it's different over here and violence will not do.

21 posted on 05/07/2007 9:40:43 AM PDT by Thebaddog (Labrador Retrievers forever)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

This is VERY true.


22 posted on 05/07/2007 9:41:10 AM PDT by Xenalyte (Cheese . . . milk's leap toward immortality.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket

"Why is everyone looking at me?"

23 posted on 05/07/2007 9:41:46 AM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Explodo

c’mon Ex, they’re profiling alright...they probably give “the wanding” to all the hot women...

yes, that’s a compliment...


24 posted on 05/07/2007 9:42:02 AM PDT by RedRightReturn (Even a broken clock is right twice a day...)
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To: RedRightReturn

Truth is truth.


25 posted on 05/07/2007 9:43:37 AM PDT by Explodo (Pessimism is simply pattern recognition)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
When someone prays five times a day for my death I tend to get a little nervous.
26 posted on 05/07/2007 9:43:49 AM PDT by Stark_GOP
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To: Robe
We're informed enough to be watching your a$$,and we're trained enough to put a pencil in your eye if you as much as go NEAR the cockpit door Damn straight!
27 posted on 05/07/2007 9:45:11 AM PDT by The Blitherer ("What the devil is keeping the Yanks?")
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

The Flying Imams, the Westboro Baptist Church - they’re HOPING that someone will start a fight so they can claim more victim status.

In the case of the Flying Imams (which I still think sounds like a bad circus act), they are hoping also to bring suit to intimidate anyone who stands in their way.


28 posted on 05/07/2007 9:46:49 AM PDT by Old Sarge (+ /_\)
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To: Explodo

-are these MEN who are searching her?


29 posted on 05/07/2007 9:46:52 AM PDT by tioga
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

“Muslims say when booking a flight, they feel everyone is watching them.”

Hey Muslims! News flash for you! ... We ARE watching you, very closely. If you feel ‘watched’ then you’re starting to get the hint. You don’t like it? Then start standing up to your radical freaks, loudly and often. Until then, we ARE watching you.


30 posted on 05/07/2007 9:47:09 AM PDT by navyguy (We don't need more youth. What we need is a fountain of SMART.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

bump...’til later


31 posted on 05/07/2007 9:49:01 AM PDT by srotaG adirolF (Hater of all things democRat)
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To: tioga
Yep. Although one woman did pull her out of the security Que when we were leaving Minneapolis. The Officer had the look of a Flannel wearing, friend of Home Depot sense about her....
32 posted on 05/07/2007 9:49:20 AM PDT by Explodo (Pessimism is simply pattern recognition)
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To: Explodo

-these days ya just never know who’s gonna hit on you. Scary.


33 posted on 05/07/2007 9:51:11 AM PDT by tioga
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Easy solution.
Go Greyhound and leave the flying to us.


34 posted on 05/07/2007 9:51:49 AM PDT by rogator
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To: Explodo

When I travel international, I’m usually with the boss. He’s a bit bigger than me and always gets singled out while I procede on. They must figure that I’m the brains and he’s the muscle....

;-)


35 posted on 05/07/2007 9:52:22 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Fight Crime. Shoot Back.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

“Muslims say when booking a flight, they feel everyone is watching them”

that’s because... THEY ARE!


36 posted on 05/07/2007 9:53:57 AM PDT by Samurai_Jack (ride out and confront the evil!)
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To: Old Sarge
It is all about money and getting us to lower our guard.

I explain it all here;

Cheers,

knewshound
37 posted on 05/07/2007 9:55:04 AM PDT by knews_hound (Sarcastically blogging since 2004.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Too bad the legalism of Islam requires their members to dress like terrorists.


38 posted on 05/07/2007 9:55:09 AM PDT by oyez
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

The airline absolutely did the right thing. This was a stunt, calculated to intimidate both the passengers and the airline, and to make us all afraid to speak up when Muslims behave in a threatening manner. I just hope the airline continues to do the right thing.


39 posted on 05/07/2007 9:55:18 AM PDT by American Quilter (You can't negotiate with people who are dedicated to your destruction.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Could it be being a member of death cult and acting as a group in a very suspicious manner had anything do with this? Anyone? Buhler?


40 posted on 05/07/2007 9:55:39 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: oyez
Muslims say when booking a flight, they feel everyone is watching them.

Good!!! The more eyes the better.

41 posted on 05/07/2007 9:56:28 AM PDT by Long Island Pete
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To: Explodo
Dr. Zaheer Hasan from Islamic Center of Greater Toledo says flying as a Muslim is disheartening. "As I board a plane, I see all the eyes tracking me. I see numerous visits by the airline crew.

Then he should take a camel.

Your wife is not alone. Mine is middle-aged, matronly, sweet as can be and looks like the mixture of Scot-Irish, Italian and Cherokee which she is. She gets pulled over 9 in 10 times. One TSA worker even apologized and told her the day's quote of older white women hadn't been filled.!

42 posted on 05/07/2007 9:56:50 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
I recall one time traveling to D.C. I was working on my laptop which had technical Specs for a Mk38 Raphael gun system. The guy behind me got quite concerned...turned me into the Stewardess, who called Reagan INT security who met me at the gate...Showed them My bonafides and they got me a cab.

Which in my mind, was a legit stop and question activity. Never even thought that people would be concerned with stuff like that.

Now I know.

43 posted on 05/07/2007 9:57:10 AM PDT by Explodo (Pessimism is simply pattern recognition)
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the day's quote of older white women hadn't been filled

IE, the day's "wasting of effort on people who wouldn't possibly be terrorists while letting people through who should be scrutinized better".

44 posted on 05/07/2007 9:59:46 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

“Muslims say when booking a flight, they feel everyone is watching them.”

I certainly hope so !


45 posted on 05/07/2007 10:00:04 AM PDT by Veeram ("Any fool (Liberal) can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." ---Benjamin Franklin)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Too darn bad!


46 posted on 05/07/2007 10:00:14 AM PDT by Cricket24 (ULTRA PATRIOT!!)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

I would hope that he is, but somehow I doubt they would pass over an 80 year old grandma or a US congressman to do a random security check on someone who belongs to a religion that is our avowed enemy.

The PC idiots in DHS wouldn’t allow that to happen.


47 posted on 05/07/2007 10:01:41 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Our Forefathers roared for Liberty, their children now whine for security and safety.)
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To: KingRonnie9

“I’m not Muslim, but if I were, who’d know in order to keep a close eye on me?”

Anyone who has spent time among Muslims would recognize you by your hatred-filled eyes.


48 posted on 05/07/2007 10:02:00 AM PDT by 353FMG (Liberalism is a satanic cult.)
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To: Explodo
"So when my Very Caucasian, Very Blond, Norwegian descended wife"

Delicately... is she hot?

49 posted on 05/07/2007 10:09:49 AM PDT by Dacus943
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
Muslims say when booking a flight, they feel everyone is watching them

Get used to it moose, we are watching......

50 posted on 05/07/2007 10:10:43 AM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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