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STOP RUDY NOW News & Information Thread
jedward | 05/09/2007 | jedward

Posted on 05/09/2007 12:10:40 PM PDT by jedward


This thread is designed for News & Information Posts relating to the efforts of Conservatives working together in a Grassroots effort to prevent Rudy Giuliani from getting the Republican Presidential Party Nomination.
 

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To: dixiechick2000

Be sure you keep track of all of them, k?


301 posted on 05/09/2007 11:41:47 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world. Have mercy on us, and grant us Your peace.)
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To: dixiechick2000
Look! A donut!!

302 posted on 05/09/2007 11:42:36 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: La Enchiladita; Deb

VERY lame.


303 posted on 05/09/2007 11:43:49 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: Liz

>> It’s a stupid myth believed by stupid people.......The belief that Giuliani is the only candidate who can beat Hillary.......... ranks right up there with belief in Bigfoot.


.........along with crop circles, and peace in the Middle East.......<<

I have a hard time seeing Hillary as the most threatening Democratic candidate - you don’t even see incumbent Presidents elected with 50% negatives much less first timers.

Rudy , with policies not that different from Hillary, is more dangerous because he lacks her high negatives and shares her main advantage - enormous fund raising. With everybody rejecting public financing you can’t just limp into the general - you need a giant stash.

Add in the front loaded primaries this election the money may be a bigger factor than ever before.

The problem for conservatives is that not one of the front runners who can raise that kind of money is actually gonna represent conservatives.

We need a break.


304 posted on 05/10/2007 12:03:09 AM PDT by gondramB (God only has ten rules, uncle Hank, and he has a much bigger house.)
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To: Deb

“Hannity is 1. A Conservative Republican.”

Wrong.

He is a ratings whore who placed all of his eggs in the partisan republican basket. He is a cosmetic conservative and also slave to political correctness....a total lightweight, but (admittedly) usually chooses to support and showcase whatever is popular with Conservatives. A decent guy, with the gift of gab and a very limited repertoire.

But he jumped on Giuliani’s bandwagon as soon as it appeared and now he’s stuck with supporting this liberal.


305 posted on 05/10/2007 12:12:15 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: gondramB

“....shares her main advantage - enormous fund raising.”

A lot of that money is Democrat money in drag.....they’re plenty nervous about hilliary and don’t see obama as a real possibility so they’re hedging their bet.......they would be quite satisfied if not happy with rudee as prez if hilliary loses


306 posted on 05/10/2007 12:20:09 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Deb
Where's eschoir, dammit?

Last I heard, he was with your other hero, Mojo.

307 posted on 05/10/2007 12:25:34 AM PDT by BykrBayb (May the way of the hero lead to the triforce! )
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

>>A lot of that money is Democrat money in drag.....they’re plenty nervous about hilliary and don’t see obama as a real possibility so they’re hedging their bet.......they would be quite satisfied if not happy with rudee as prez if hilliary loses<<

That ought to open up some kind of strategic opportunity...

Can you imagine conservatives being so confident about getting a conservative Republican nominee that they have the time and money to maneuver a conservative into the front runner on the Democratic side too?

That might be a dream but it would be damn arrogant too.

And since its the pro choice people doing it, there ought to be a way to take advantage of that arrogance.


308 posted on 05/10/2007 12:33:14 AM PDT by gondramB (God only has ten rules, uncle Hank, and he has a much bigger house.)
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To: gondramB
I have a hard time seeing Hillary as the most threatening Democratic candidate - you don’t even see incumbent Presidents elected with 50% negatives much less first timers.

As JimRob famously posted---first Hillary's gotta get past us.

309 posted on 05/10/2007 3:23:17 AM PDT by Liz (Hunter: For some candidates, a conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it is my hope.)
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To: dirtboy
This violates Ronald Reagan’s 11th Commandment: “Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican.”

Which is a falsehood, given that Reagan ran and almost defeated the GOP incumbent in 1976.


It's a given because he ran against and defeated other GOP candidates?

The operative phrase in his 11th Commandment is speak ill; Reagan communicated his points without trashing other Republicans. A great example of this can be found in the The Anderson-Reagan Presidential Debate

The point is, you debate with members of your own party and save the warfare for the enemy (e.g. the Democrats in the general election).
310 posted on 05/10/2007 5:47:15 AM PDT by msg-84 (Semper Fidelis)
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To: jedward

This has to go down as the most paranoid Thread in the history of FreeRepublic.


311 posted on 05/10/2007 5:48:46 AM PDT by Jake The Goose
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To: AuntB
But I won’t vote for Rudy.

And if Rudy is the party's nominee, by not voting for him, you in effect vote for the Hillary/Hussein Obama ticket. Nice Going, you really proved your point.

312 posted on 05/10/2007 6:38:32 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.)
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To: stockstrader
I still can't believe that so many 'so-called' conservatives are willing to 'sell their souls',,,along with traditional conservative values and principles,,,,TO ELECT A LIBERAL!!! It's just amazing.

What is amazing and really sad, is the number of "true" conservatives that will in effect give the election to the dims just to "Stand on Principle".

313 posted on 05/10/2007 6:40:55 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68; Deb

>>“Hannity is 1. A Conservative Republican.”

>Wrong.

>He is a ratings whore who placed all of his eggs in the partisan republican basket.

Thank you. I used to like Sean when he REALLY used to be humble (instead of claiming he is). His Rooty worship is nauseating. It’s a shame.


314 posted on 05/10/2007 6:41:52 AM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: msg-84
The point is, you debate with members of your own party and save the warfare for the enemy (e.g. the Democrats in the general election).

What if your party is being taken over by a bunch of people who don't support the mission and charter of the party and they're helping someone who opposes the majority of the party's charter to hijack the party?

Reagan also said:

"We will have no more of those candidates who are pledged to the same goals as our opposition and who seek our support. Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all."

--Ronald Reagan, 1965

"A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.

I do not believe I have proposed anything that is contrary to what has been considered Republican principle. It is at the same time the very basis of conservatism. It is time to reassert that principle and raise it to full view. And if there are those who cannot subscribe to these principles, then let them go their way."

-- Ronald Reagan, March 1, 1975

I'm just showing those who can't subscribe to the core principles of the party, those who appear to have the same goals as our opposition, the door.
315 posted on 05/10/2007 6:45:49 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Dave S

BZZZZZZZZTTT!! Another well deserved zot!


316 posted on 05/10/2007 7:00:51 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: tkathy
BZZZZZZZZZZTT!!! And another one gone...
317 posted on 05/10/2007 7:08:23 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Spiff; Deb

Good. Dave S was another annoying pro-abortion loser. He will not be missed.

Personally, I don’t mind if deb stays. She seems a few cards shy of a full deck, if you know what I mean.


318 posted on 05/10/2007 8:38:24 AM PDT by NapkinUser (Rudy Giuliani gets his salsa from New York City.)
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To: Spiff

Merely an opinion. I think Rudy handled himself well during 9/11 and understands the threat. How that translates into foreign policy is only a guess at this point. Not a Rudy fan but I do believe there are those who are hanging on to the Rudy wagon until a more conservative one comes along.


319 posted on 05/10/2007 8:45:26 AM PDT by unionblue83 (Note to Dems:"Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser." -Gen. Patton)
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To: unionblue83
Not a Rudy fan but I do believe there are those who are hanging on to the Rudy wagon until a more conservative one comes along.

I think that candidate is on the way, and his name is Fred Thompson.

320 posted on 05/10/2007 8:51:52 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Fred Thompson for President)
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To: unionblue83
Not a Rudy fan but I do believe there are those who are hanging on to the Rudy wagon until a more conservative one comes along.

Ummmm, EVERY Republican candidate in the race is more conservative than Rudy. EVERY Republican presidential candidate who has ever run for the office is more conservative than Rudy. So, I don't know what you're talking about.

321 posted on 05/10/2007 8:53:55 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Democrat money in drag
***Oooh, that was a double zinger.


322 posted on 05/10/2007 8:58:38 AM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: Jake The Goose

Even more paranoid than the bug zapper thread?


323 posted on 05/10/2007 9:00:29 AM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr; stockstrader; AuntB; Leatherneck_MT

And if Rudy is the party’s nominee, by not voting for him, you in effect vote for the Hillary/Hussein Obama ticket. Nice Going, you really proved your point.
***I knew that sooner or later, I would be using Leatherneck’s response to this drivel.

From the bug zapper thread, “Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?”

“Thing is, “none of the above” isn’t a choice. If the choice in the general election is between Rudy and Hillary, ONE of the two WILL be President, no matter how much you detest them both, and you will have the live with the consequences of that.”

Missed this part sorry.

No I won’t have to live with the consequences of a damned thing. The Republican Party will.

A choice between horse poop and cow poop isn’t a choice.

As I’ve stated before, I think it would be the end of the GOP. GOP Candidates move to the right during primary season and Demos move to the left; and then when they get the nomination they move to the center. That means rudy would be moving even further leftward.

Once he shuts out the right from participation or enfranchisement, the rift would be complete: no more GOP as we know it, just democrat and democrat lite and maybe a new Conservative party. A similar thing happened to the dominant party several generations ago, and the Whigs were decimated when they moved away from their core conservative values & the republican party came into being.

All this re-defining conservatism conveniently overlooks the fact that this is a socon website. I’m not interested in re-defining conservatism to fit the image of your tootyfruity solib candidate. I doubt Jim Robinson is, either. Such attempts are much better suited elsewhere, on another website. We’re pushing a socon candidate on a socon forum and running into people who like to think of themselves as conservative but they’re pushing a solib candidate on this socon forum and trying to get socons to compromise. Knowing that a solib candidate splits the socon republican base and that no republican ever won the presidency with a split base, that leaves me to conclude that this cult of personality values its own solib beliefs more than the health of the republican party. Folks like you are doing REAL damage to the republican party and I doubt your loyalty to it.

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324 posted on 05/10/2007 9:09:32 AM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: Kevmo

I’m not for Rudy, I just don’t want to see our party lose to the dims. And I must say that I think that Fred has a better chance at winning than Duncan.


325 posted on 05/10/2007 9:15:32 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Fred Thompson for President)
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To: Salvation

Thought maybe y’all would like to get in on this. We have folks on here saying that the abortion issue is simply a fundraising blast of hot air. Care to join in or ping your list? Hope all is well!


326 posted on 05/10/2007 9:50:56 AM PDT by unionblue83 (Note to Dems:"Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser." -Gen. Patton)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr; Spiff

I have been following Thompson and like what I see. Spiff, I am not a Rudy supporter so have no fear. I wasn’t trying to show him any love, that’s for sure. I am simply speaking from my own experience with the folks that I know and many of them haven’t been as informed as they should have been. I am helping them to pay more attention to these things. I like Hunter and Tancredo but am in the process of learning more about both. I suppose I picked the wrong example to use as my straw man.


327 posted on 05/10/2007 10:09:59 AM PDT by unionblue83 (Note to Dems:"Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser." -Gen. Patton)
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To: unionblue83

>>Merely an opinion. I think Rudy handled himself well during 9/11 and understands the threat. How that translates into foreign policy is only a guess at this point. Not a Rudy fan but I do believe there are those who are hanging on to the Rudy wagon until a more conservative one comes along.<<

He did a good job on 9/11 by all accounts. New Orleans would have likely been much better off if Rudy had been mayor instead of Nagin.

But the mayors don’t set Federal policy. If Rudy had no other problems, his policies still would not be conservative. And he does have other problems, like the guy he almost got in as Homeland Security chief.


328 posted on 05/10/2007 10:15:14 AM PDT by gondramB (God only has ten rules, uncle Hank, and he has a much bigger house.)
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To: Spiff

>>Ummmm, EVERY Republican candidate in the race is more conservative than Rudy. EVERY Republican presidential candidate who has ever run for the office is more conservative than Rudy. <<

Yeah but McCain doesn’t count... he’s not exactly stable enough to be Presidential material and he has a little blind spot where freedom of speech is concerned, which for some reason bothers many of us who depend on freedom to read and speak online.


329 posted on 05/10/2007 10:18:49 AM PDT by gondramB (God only has ten rules, uncle Hank, and he has a much bigger house.)
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To: gondramB
Yeah but McCain doesn’t count... he’s not exactly stable enough to be Presidential material and he has a little blind spot where freedom of speech is concerned, which for some reason bothers many of us who depend on freedom to read and speak online.

McCain is not the only other candidate in the race. And, yes, McCain is a whackjob.

330 posted on 05/10/2007 10:29:51 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: gondramB

Rudy has all kinds of other problems, I agree. And on the Security Chief deal, that was way too close for comfort.


331 posted on 05/10/2007 10:32:35 AM PDT by unionblue83 (Note to Dems:"Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser." -Gen. Patton)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

Well, then we can discuss the merits of Duncan Hunter and Fred Thompson on some other thread. This is a stop-rudy thread, so if you’re not for Rudy you might want to catch up with what’s been going on in Free Republic and the GOP. This is not a GOP website, it is a conservative website.

Here’s a place to start.

Giuliani Plans to Publicly Embrace Abortion Rights [Rudy declares war on conservatism]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1831088/posts


332 posted on 05/10/2007 10:34:41 AM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: Kevmo

At the risk of being somewhat on topic... :)

It looks like the scrutiny is paying off.

Not long ago Rudy was supposed to win New Hampshire in a walk. Now his campaign is denying stories about pulling out.

>> Rudy won’t write off NH

By JOHN DISTASO
Senior Political Reporter
47 minutes ago

Rudy Giuliani’s state campaign chairman says the Republican presidential candidate is not planning to write off or downplay the New Hampshire primary.

Wayne Semprini, a former state Republican chairman, told UnionLeader.com today that he received promises from top Giuliani campaign officials this morning that they and the candidate are fully committed to the first-primary state.<<

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Semprini%3A+Rudy+won‘t+write+off+NH&articleId=bbc3600a-3687-4fd2-be2c-55dcca0b7aaa


333 posted on 05/10/2007 10:42:01 AM PDT by gondramB (God only has ten rules, uncle Hank, and he has a much bigger house.)
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To: Jake The Goose

Jake The Goose

This account has been banned or suspended.


Okay


334 posted on 05/10/2007 10:46:45 AM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: kevkrom
Guiliani can't win the general election, no matter what hype you;re hearing. There's no way he holds enough of the "right" to stand a chance, and he's the one candidate Clinton's negatives wouldn't stand out so great against.

He most certainly could win a general election. He might not get the R nod, but he could conceivably run as an independent. He would appeal to a majority of voters, that would be the 50-60% of voters that don't vote based on idealogy. They would not be as troubled by his liberal social views. Of course, he may not run, and if Republicans field an electable candidate, so much the better. But don't underestimate Giuliani. Many people who are not conservative have a favorable opinion of him. It sickens me to bring this up, but Bill Clinton was elected twice, with similar views. And I could stomach Giuliani way more than Bubba, even though most Freepers can't.

335 posted on 05/10/2007 10:47:03 AM PDT by floozy22
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To: Kevmo

Hey fair enough. See you out there in the forum of ideas.


336 posted on 05/10/2007 11:14:55 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Fred Thompson for President)
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To: Spiff
EVERY Republican candidate in the race is more conservative than Rudy. EVERY Republican presidential candidate who has ever run for the office is more conservative than Rudy.

And all of them, except Paul, would be as good, if not better, in the GWOT as Guiliani.

337 posted on 05/10/2007 11:24:35 AM PDT by kevkrom ("Government is too important to leave up to the government" - Fred Dalton Thompsn)
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To: kevkrom
And all of them, except Paul, would be as good, if not better, in the GWOT as Guiliani.

Correction: All of them except for Paul and Hagel would be as good, if not better, in the GWOT as Giuliani.

338 posted on 05/10/2007 11:32:58 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Spiff

Hagel’s not in the race, nor is he likely to be (his “announcement” date is after a large number of primaries).


339 posted on 05/10/2007 11:50:05 AM PDT by kevkrom ("Government is too important to leave up to the government" - Fred Dalton Thompsn)
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To: Kevmo

I’ve been listening to Tammy Bruce. Smart lady, that one. She made the correct comment that ‘republicans’ lost the last election, not conservatives. I don’t know why the RINOs don’t just take the plunge and support Hillary since they’re so close to democrats anyway.


340 posted on 05/10/2007 3:02:45 PM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: Dave S

“I doubt you care because you dont care if you win, just that you can stand up and say I’m Ideologically pure.”

Sorry. I’m not into ideological purity. I’m also not into abandonment of conservative principles because it might be fashionable with CNN and the rest of the leftmedia this week. Winning at any cost usually means winning at every cost.

“I would think you would care whether a Republican or Democrat nominated Supreme Court nominees but then if you got what you wanted, then what would there be for you to complain about?”

Actually, I wouldn’t care if the person nominating a future Justice was a Democrat or a Republican. Check out the site name. I’m a Democrat. But more importantly, I’m a conservative. I want conservative Justices nominated. I don’t give two hoots and a holler whether the person doing that has a (D) or (R) after their name. I find it highly unlikely that Mayor Giuliani would actually appoint any conservative Justices as President. Unless, of course, your definition of “conservative” includes Justices Ginsberg and Souter.

“Heck you might actually be responsible for governing. What a concept.”

I take it from your sarcasm that you think that completely prostituting your principles is a fair price to pay to achieve and maintain political power. You’ll be happy to know that there are a lot of people in politics who share your view. I just don’t happen to be one of them.


341 posted on 05/10/2007 3:26:44 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: AuntB

I like the way you phrased that ;’}


342 posted on 05/10/2007 4:44:04 PM PDT by rockrr (09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Time fo’ Cochon de Lait !!...;0)


343 posted on 05/10/2007 6:21:09 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Chena

It doesn’t matter me who jedward is He’s a new guy with a passion. Aren’t you glad he is a conservative on JimRob’s side and not a lib?


344 posted on 05/11/2007 5:00:38 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (Anti Islam and a Global Warming denier - piss on Islam)
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To: AuntB
She made the correct comment that ‘republicans’ lost the last election, not conservatives.

We Republicans need you conservatives, and conversely, I think you conservatives need the Republicans. Up until recently I thought I was a conservative Republican, I guess according to what I have read on this thread I am just a Republican. Because I will support whoever my party nominates for President. I pray that it will be Fred Thompson........

345 posted on 05/11/2007 6:55:33 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Fred Thompson for President)
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To: Dave S
You Are 64% Democrat
You have a good deal of donkey running through your blood, and you're proud to be liberal.
You don't fit every Democrat stereotype, but you definitely belong in the Democrat party.
How Democrat Are You?

346 posted on 05/11/2007 12:25:13 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: detch
...but Rudy is the only guy who can take on both the media and their darling candidate Hillary.

Guess what? THe MSM has hours and hours of tape and audio as well as reams of documents and files of photographs of the skeletons in Rudy's closet.

They are salivating at the idea of Rudy as the GOP nominee because he is the most damaged and will be very easy to defeat.
347 posted on 05/11/2007 7:22:09 PM PDT by elizabetty ("Al Gore doesn't need to reduce his carbon footprint, he needs to reduce his carbs!" Mitt Romney)
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To: AuntB

Tammy Bruce is one smart lady.
AND...she is correct.

It is SO good to see you again! ;o)


348 posted on 05/11/2007 11:56:13 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: dixiechick2000

Hi dixie!!! Hugs!


349 posted on 05/12/2007 8:57:49 AM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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