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Posted on 05/09/2007 12:10:40 PM PDT by jedward
Abortion is a big issue and lots of folks tie it into the lack of morality that liberalism has infected into our society. Rudy’s one MAIN stron point with the strong Right (not Ultra) is the fact that he is strong on national security which many of those folks place at the top of the priority list. Don’t believe he is real friendly to the 2nd Amendment folks though. IF someone with a strong conviction in national defense shows up to the party, Rudy could lose a good deal of support.
I don’t hate Rudy, I just don’t want him as my President.
It isn't just abortion where Giuliani disagrees with the majority of Republicans and the Republican Party Platform. Giuliani is more often in agreement with Hillary and the Democrats than he is with Republicans.
||Giuliani||Clinton||Dem Platform||GOP Platform|
|Abortion on Demand||Supports||Supports||Supports||Opposes|
|Partial Birth Abortion||Supports
|Overturning Roe v. Wade||Opposes||Opposes||Opposes||Supports|
|Taxpayer Funded Abortions||Supports||Supports||Supports||Opposes|
|Embryonic Stem Cell Research||Supports||Supports||Supports||Opposes|
|Federal Marriage Amendment||Opposes||Opposes||Opposes
|Gay Domestic Partnership/
|Openly Gay Military||Supports||Supports||Supports||Opposes|
|Defense of Marriage Act||Opposes||Opposes||Opposes||Supports|
|Amnesty for Illegal Aliens||Supports||Supports||Supports||Opposes|
|Special Path to Citizenship
for Illegal Aliens
|Tough Penalties for
Employers of Illegal Aliens
Ignoring Immigration Law
|Protecting 2nd Amendment||Opposes
|'Assault' Weapons Ban||Supports||Supports||Supports|
Against Gun Makers
|War in Afghanistan||Supports||Supports
Voted for it
|War in Iraq||Supports||Varies
Voted for it
Voted for it
2001 & 2006
“Wondered what you were up to. Thought maybe you were AWOL. LOL!”
lol, you know better than that :) If I’m not posting, I’m probably doing something productive for the cause. Great to see you!
I hear that and hear that and hear that. But I've seen no evidence to support the idea that Giulianis strong on national security. In fact, I see evidence to the contrary. What do you have to back up your claim?
What exactly do you think Rudy has done or will do about it?
Thanks Spiff. They’ve been peddling that same line on every Rudy thread.
Maybe we should try to post something positive. about Rudy
He's a strong support of the 2nd Amendment - No that's not it.
He'd be great at appointing strict constructionist justices. Not quite
He would stand up against special rights for gays. - No, that isn't it.
He'd be great on illegal immigration. - Sorry can't say that.
He has high personal morality. Let's not go there.
Wait! I got it!
He is the one candidate who may look better in stockings than Hillary! - Thats it! Something positive.
Okay... how about 2nd Amendment support - Guiliani is against it.
How about gay rights? Guiliani is for them.
Abortion? As we've already covered, Guiliani is pro-choice (with the typical "personally opposed" fig leaf)
Illegal immigrants? Guiliani made NYC a "sanctuary city", thumbing his nose at federal law.
Taxes? Guiliani's support for tax increases outweigh his tax cuts. He also supported Cuomo over Pataki due to Pataki's position of cutting taxes.
War on terror? Prior to 9/11, Guiliani's record on terror was to downplay the terrorist aspect, while using the event to call for additional gun control for law abiding citizens.
Judges? Guiliani called Ginsburg an ideal choice for the US Supreme Court; he has recently said that a "strict constructionist" could rule any way they wanted.
Conservative enough? For whom???
Well, umm....FreedomNeocon, do you have any proof whatsoever that Giuliani will fight the war on terror better than any other republican candidate except for Ron Paul? People like you act like Giuliani is undisputedly the best, despite never serving in the military, just because of his nice and cheap words and speechs he made after September 11, 2001.
How can anyone in there right mind act like Giuliani is better for the war on terror than Duncan Hunter? Hunter served, has a son in Iraq, chaired the armed forces committee for years in Congress, yet he gets nothing. But oh, Giuliani made us feel good after 9/11. Big deal.
I love that visual! That’s a great one!
Too funny :)
Absolutely. Rudy lied yesterday and said NY wasn't a sanctuary city. He sued the federal government to stop them from enforcing immigration laws in 'his' city. He thinks the second amendment is about hunting.
And he hates ferrets.
http://www.nysunpolitics.com/blog/2007/05/vanity-fairs-crazy-rudy-article.html Its always worth recapping Giulianis famous riposte to a ferret owner who called in to the mayors weekly radio show to protest the citys ban on them as pets:
Rudy: There is something deranged about you. The excessive concern you have for ferrets is something you should examine with a therapist. There is something really, really very sad about you. This excessive concern with little weasels is a sickness. You should go consult a psychologist. Your compulsion aboutyour excessive concern with it is a sign that there is something wrong in your personality. You have a sickness, and I know its hard for you to accept that. You need help.
Also audio of it here: http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007/02/audio_rudy_giul.html
Second, the Republican Party has won 5 of the last 7 elections---with the only two losses occurring when it moved 'to-the-left'!
If you think the Republican Party is just NOT LIBERAL ENOUGH,,,and you want to great accelerate the movement TO THE LEFT,,
JulieAnnie is JUST THE MAN FOR THE JOB!!
Win what? Certainly not anything worthwhile. I want us to win. For real. There is a difference.
In short, The Weekly Standard wishes to see, on a Republican ticket and a heartbeat away from the presidency, a proud liberal Democrat who supports partial-birth abortion, embryonic stem-cell research, gay rights, affirmative action, reparations for slavery, gun control, higher taxes on the top 2 percent, distribution of condoms in public schools and driver's licenses for illegal aliens.
What does Joe oppose? School prayer, the American Legion's flag amendment, Sam Alito, drilling in the ANWAR and any phase-out of death taxes.
Last year, Joe's rating by Americans for Democratic Action was 80. The ACLU gave him an 83, the NAACP an 85, the AFL-CIO a 92, LULAC a perfect 100. In 2004, Joe got a 100 rating from the National Abortion Rights Action League and a zero from National Right to Life. His American Conservative Union rating was zero. His Christian Coalition rating was zero. The National Rifle Association, which grades by letters, gave Joe a big, fat "F."
But as long as you support war in Lebanon, war in Iraq and a "war-fighting Republican Party," in The Weekly Standard's phrase, you get a pass on everything else. Beat the drum for permanent war for global democracy and against Islamo-fascism, and all other sins are forgiven you.
As long as ol' Rudy bangs that war drum, some people don't care what else he thinks. Some people really are war-mongers.
It’s no sure thing that the dim nominee will be Hillary.
“So it would seem that you want the anti-American pro al-Qaeda Democrats to win.”
Really? Is that what you get out of this thread, and the information provided in the thread? If so, then I’d say toke-up, by happy and piss off, I’m not interested in the way you think. What are you doing to support other republican candidates or help others gain information about them.
Far more is at stake than the Presidency. It’s up to the GOP to realize it or face the consequences.
If the GOP can do no better than the liberal abortionist, gungrabbing, queer-bot Giuliani, it deserves a very hard, arse-first fall.
You vote for Giuliani. You subtly tell Congress it’s okay to regulate your Second Amendment rights to defensive arms away.
You vote for Giuliani. You subtly tell Congress it’s okay to require you embrace homosexual unions equal to your marriage vows, regardless of your religious convictions that they deem places you on a “hate” list.
You vote for Giuliani. You subtly tell Congress it’s okay to allow a baby to be slaughtered so long as its head is still partially concealed and that you have no choice but to help fund those “procedures” because they believe it’s “constitutional”.
And you vote for Giuliani. You subtly tell Congress it’s okay the government require you believe it is the all-powerful, final authority - not the people from whom that power comes and you must cede any of your rights upon its demand.
Definitely, not me.
Rejection of one rotten Apple decreases the likelihood the merchant would think of unloading the peck of bad ones on you.
I find the ferret tape very funny!! Thanks for the link!
that was a gun not numchucks.
“Giuliani has been seen on the campaign trail wearing a World Series ring, a valuable prize we never knew he had. Indeed, the Yankees have told the Voice that he has four rings, one for every world championship the Yankees won while he was mayor. Voice calls to other cities whose teams won the Series in the past decade have determined that Giuliani is the only mayor with a ring, much less four. If it sounds innocent, wait for the price tag. These are certainly no Canal Street cubic zirconia knockoffs.
With Giuliani’s name inscribed in the 1996, 1998, 1999, and 2000 diamond-and-gold rings, memorabilia and baseball experts say they are collectively worth a minimum of $200,000.”
Rooty gets caught with 100’s of 1000’s of $$ worth of illegal gifts.
Boy, did you ever get your behind handed to you on this thread.
By moderate, you really mean liberal. Fred Thompson is a moderate (slightly right of center) Republican (Go here, scroll to bottom), while Giuliani is a liberal Republican. I defy you to find a more liberal Republican presidential candidate in the history of the United States. His record shows it. His statements demonstrate it. He's a damned liberal. Being pro-partial birth abortion is an EXTREME position, not moderate. It falls well within the liberal camp. Giuliani is pro-radical gay agenda (a member of the Stonewall Veterans Assocation - look it up), pro-abortionist, pro-national gun control, pro-gay marriage, pro-gay military, etc. These are not "moderate" positions. They are radical liberal postions.
In the 1850's, would you have been one of the Democrats saying "I really don't care about slavery, slavery, slavery, slavery...?" Would you? The issue we faced at that time, that lead to the very formation of the Republican Party, is precisely the same issue we're facing today. That is the protection of human life. In 1850 it was whether the life and freedom of humans with dark skin pigmentation should be protected. You and I will both agree that it is good that African slaves were recognized as human beings and set free. But, today, we have over a million human beings killed in the United States every year by abortion. The Party Platform recognizes the humanity of unborn children and calls for their lives to be protected from conception. Our greatest President, Ronald Reagan, also lead by example in proclaiming that unborn children deserve the full protection that Constitution provides. But, to you, it is a minor issue - an annoyance. "Slavery, slavery, slavery..." You should be ashamed.
“Saves them the pain and pride.”
Thanks, I hadn't seen that! He does have a 'I'm entitled' attitude.
Are you aware that Giuliani dodged the draft to avoid service in Vietnam? Would you like to see his own Mayoral campaign's documents on that?
Thanks Beagle8U...and it only took us 76 posts to squeeze it in :)
“That and the fact that such strong opposition from the far right makes Rudy even more attractive to the independents and moderates. In a way it may actually help him.”
You may think JimRob and other conservatives are helping him but I’m willing to bet that Rooty and the Toots wishes he wasn’t getting that “help”.
Wow, you’ve sure been busy, jedward. At first I thought it was odd on the “purging” thread that you, by all appearances and your comments leading everyone to believe you were a “newbie”, quickly became a leader here on FR. Now that I know more about your history, I can see why you didn’t have to “walk the walk” that most new posters do. You sure put on a good show but I probably wouldn’t have fallen for it at first if it hadn’t been for your FRiends who vouched for ya. LOL ;)
I’m sure you’ve worked very hard to get this thread up and running and I have no doubt that it will be very interesting and enlightening. You’re an old hand at this sort of thing so I’m sure it will be successful. Enjoy!
“”Rudy has broad appeal that a all the other candidates DON’T HAVE....””
None of the candidates of either side have the broad appeal that Rudy has, along with likeability and humor and cutting wit and intellect and.......
Will Rudy don a grey and red jumpsuit with a pillow under the shirt portion, al la George Reeves. Then again, Mr. Reeves was definately a better actor than Rudy, and that's not saying much.
Yeah, but a lot of conservatives won't vote for him.
Maybe you've missed recent events here on Free Republic where the owner declared Free Republic's mission to "swiftboat" Rudy Giuliani's campaign. This thread is one user's attempt to continue and expand that mission and YOU ARE IN THE THREAD DISRUPTING THAT EFFORT.
Your pro-Rudy posts are not welcome in this thread. Posts supporting any liberals (Rudy included) are not a healthy activity on this forum. We support conservatives and conservative causes. Polluting this forum with posts supporting pro-abortionist, pro-gun grabber, pro-homosexualist, pro-socialist liberals (like Giuliani) will not be well tolerated. I suggest, for your own benefit, that you knock it off. If you doubt what may happen, I suggest that you pay a visit to this thread and educate yourselves.
Free Republic is a conservative site and we fight like hell for conservative principles, conservative values and conservative candidates. The Republican party is pro God, pro life, pro family, pro constitution, pro gun, pro national security, pro national sovereignty, pro defense, pro limited government, and pro America or I would not have joined it or supported it. It is a conservative party whether you and your liberal troll buddies like it or not and I intend to do all in my limited ability to see that it stays that way.Now, either get with the program or get the hell out of here. We've got a liberal candidate to "swiftboat" and a bunch of conservative candidates to support.
And I repeat, the abortionist, gay rights supporting, illegal alien pandering, gun grabbing authoritarian liberal pig Rudy Giuliani will NEVER ever be elected to the presidency from the conservative party or I go down in flames fighting against him and you and your lame ass liberal troll buddies!
FR will not be used in an attempt to turn the Republican party into a liberal party or to elect a socialist abortionist pig to the White house. Get used to it!!
- Jim Robinson, 19 April 2007
Have you been reading Darwin Central?
Clearly that's one of their options. The "no difference between Republicans and Democrats" line has been promoted here for a long time.
That’s going to be the pic used with his report card (LOL)
HAAATERS! HAAATERS! Valid criticism is HAAATE!
He is conservative enough for me, but then again, I think theres more than just ABORTION voters are concerned about.
I agree. There's more than just abortion. There are gun rights. Rudy sucks there. Fighting the gay agenda. Rudy promotes it. CFR. Rudy loves it. Global warming. Rudy's a believer.
And then there's national security. Rudy's main contribution to the WOT is pushing a corrupt crony for the most important anti-terror job in the country.
So you're right. There are many more reasons than abortion to believe that Rudy is supremely unqualified to be the standard bearer for the GOP.
Rudy has broad appeal that a all the other candidates DON'T HAVE.
I don't see it. The guy hosed himself in the one debate so far, and Laura Ingram walked all over him. So much for him being a tough guy. He also cannot stay on message and continually changes his positions regarding abortion.
Maybe if you drink enough Rudy-Aide, the broad appeal becomes apparent. Just like any woman in a bar looks better with enough beer.
The only real difference between Rudy and Clinton is Clinton was a more gifted liar.
The best way to counter that line is for the GOP to nominate someone who doesn't so closely resemble Democrats in so many ways.
Drink the Rudy-Aide and it all will become clear.
POST OF THE DAY!
Last I heard the election is still well over a year from now. Rudy, Hillary or I may not even be alive by then. I think I’ll save my adrenaline for later.