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Did the U.S. Contribute in ANY Possible Way to Islamists' Attitudes Prior to 9/11?
Self | 5/16/2007 | DC Wright

Posted on 05/16/2007 1:25:01 PM PDT by dcwusmc

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To: dcwusmc
Now let's hear your comment on the billions the US gives Egypt every year.

Not a peep out of you about that, huh?

141 posted on 05/16/2007 8:43:27 PM PDT by holfen123
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To: holfen123

Already commented, there, studly. I think ANY foreign aid is unconstitutional and wrong. Read the whole thread and you’ll find it numerous times.


142 posted on 05/16/2007 8:59:42 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: dcwusmc

You NEVER mentioned Egypt until you were called on that, studly.


143 posted on 05/16/2007 9:10:24 PM PDT by holfen123
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To: holfen123

Maybe not at first on THIS thread, but time after time I have stated that I do not believe that ANY foreign aid is Constitutional. And I also stated, in THIS thread, why I specifically disapprove of governmental foreign aid to Israel. Did you read that part? If not, get back to me when you have.


144 posted on 05/16/2007 9:18:23 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: gcruse

I was actually trying to limit it to REASONABLE ways, not anything conceivable...


145 posted on 05/16/2007 9:21:28 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: dcwusmc
No...

1) We defended the old Iran by not acknowledging the radical take over in 1979.
2) We defended Afghanistan by supporting the resistance
3) We defended Kuwait and Saudi Arabia (two Islamic States) from Iraq
4) We defended Kosovo and Croatia (two Islamic states) from Serbia. (Granted I never liked this one)

Here are a few examples of the United States protecting Islamic States. The argument is completely bogus.

146 posted on 05/16/2007 9:25:26 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: holfen123

That’s what I thought. You’re the goron with the Ward Churchill fixation.


147 posted on 05/16/2007 9:25:47 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: Sprite518

Wasn’t arguing. Was asking... My answer was that we allowed ourselves to appear weak... which is VERY true.


148 posted on 05/16/2007 9:28:12 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: dcwusmc

IMHO there are a myriad of reasons why these Islamo-facists hate our country. Our decedent secular society is one reason. Our lack of moral control (as a nation - not as individuals), are obsession with everything “sex”, Hollywierd and the trash they spew forth, and many other examples all serve to threaten their very controlled distilled way of life and ideology. These “men” fear that our way of life will infect their culture and destroy their religious beliefs. That, IMHO, is a large part of why they hate Americans. There are other reasons, of course (Israel for one). But to me, this is a biggie. We do not practice what we constantly preach.


149 posted on 05/16/2007 9:31:53 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in the Triangle of Death)
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To: dcwusmc
Did the U.S. Contribute in ANY Possible Way to Islamists' Attitudes Prior to 9/11?

Of course not, our actions don't have consequences. /rudy

150 posted on 05/16/2007 9:36:54 PM PDT by niki
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To: dcwusmc

Fixation?

Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul,and YOU have an Israel fixation.


151 posted on 05/16/2007 10:04:49 PM PDT by holfen123
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To: holfen123

And just what fixation might that be, studmuffin? The one that says that the strings on money to Israel from U.S. government aid keeps Israel from being able to defend herself properly? That fixation? Or is it the fixation that PRIVATE contributions from INDIVIDUALS can really show the true level of support for Israel from American Jews and Christians? That fixation?

Go away now and quit bugging me. Fixation, indeed.


152 posted on 05/16/2007 10:21:15 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: dcwusmc

More than fifty years ago, Bishop Fulton Sheen referred to the madness of the Arabs. It had to do with the Jewish state but also to do with the continuous humiliation of the Arabs for no more than 200 years of western invasion and reduction of Muslim power. It began more than three hundred years ago with the failure of the last Turkish effort to take Paris, then 80 years later with the resurgence of Russian power into the Crimea, then the Invasion of Egypt by Napoleon, and his expulsion only to be repaced by growing British power not only there but in the whole of the eastern mediterranean. The Eastern Question began to grow with the waning of Turkish power before the rise of the Christian people in south east Europe and the fractioning of that power into modern Christian states. In desperation “reforming” Turkish Sultans sought to modernize the Empire, only to produce a European-like national Turkish movement in Anatolia, as the Turs fought the Greeks and Armenians and others for mastery in Anatolia itself. Then came the fall of the Ottoman Empire and its reduction to a national state under the leadership of the secularist Attaturk. To add to the humiliation, the Arab lands are occupied by Chrstian armies who suppposedly came to give the Arabs independence, and who then set up colonial states and, to add insult to injure create a Jewish homeland in “Palestine.” Yes, i would say the Muslims have “cause” but the only reason they hate us is because we have become the only western power capable of thwarting who they think is the will of God, which is a universal Muslim state. Are they justified in their anger? Well, yes. but so was Germany after the Great War. BUT in the end, no rational calculation could have allowed Germany to resume the same place that it occupied when Kaiser Bill came to the German throne. Likewise, we can only try in the Middle East to fight fire with fire. If the backfire we attempted in Iraq does not work, we are in for the fight of our lives.


153 posted on 05/16/2007 10:25:51 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: wolfcreek

The Crusades were a blip in Muslim history. They had forgotten about them until western intellectuals tried to show their solidarity with the Arabs by coloring the Crusades as an act of agression. The real “Crusades” were largely secular, by which I mean the colonial phase from about 1800 to about 1860, when the Muslim world was surrounded and partially occupied by the Europeans powers.


154 posted on 05/16/2007 10:30:11 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: dcwusmc

Not replying to you per se.

I’m replying to this topic.

The US didn’t have to do anything to piss off Bin Laden or any person who follows Islam. The simple fact, and yes it’s simple, that we’re infidels is enough per the Koran. So we were in their land (Arabia). It doesn’t matter. The Koran states death to infidels long before there was a land issue. It’s the core belief of Islam. So the US supports Israel(which has an awesome military btw). We, the US, could abandon Israel tomorrow, and we’d still be hated, we’d still be #1 on the annihilation thing - Israel use to be first but we surpassed them - we’re #1 now to be destroyed regardless of our support of Israel.

The US supports Israel and we should for many reasons. But even if we didn’t, Islam would still think it necessary to kill (or convert) us all. We could take Israel out of the equation and still have the same sentiment of Islam. Israel and the whole Palestinian Question is just an excuse for them.


155 posted on 05/16/2007 10:32:10 PM PDT by Twink
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To: 2banana

Very good post.


156 posted on 05/16/2007 10:34:55 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (Ah don't feeeeel no ways taihrd.)
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To: dcwusmc

Do you feel the same about Egypt, studmuffin?

As I said, you are FIXATED on Israel.

As your comments show.


157 posted on 05/16/2007 10:36:06 PM PDT by holfen123
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To: holfen123
>>>>>>Sounds like a Ward Churchill question.<<<<<<

Nope. United States government under BJ Clinton deliberately established AQ stronghold in Europe during Bosnian civil war 1992-95 and sided with Iranians to arm Islamists. Bosnian terrorist alumni staffed Hamburg cell that recruited Mohammed Atta and his lieutenant. American alphabet soup agencies were up to the neck aiding AQ.

Money laundering for AQ led from Vienna and Sarajevo straight to Washington, DC. Search FR under GOLDENCHAIN keyword.

BJ Clinton and Hilary Clinton are more implicated in 911 than Saddam.

158 posted on 05/16/2007 10:45:11 PM PDT by DTA (Mr. President, Condi is asleep at the wheel !!!)
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To: dcwusmc
Much like the Democrats, the Arabs always look for the bad in everything America does.

I’m not saying we’ve done nothing wrong, but in the end it wouldn’t make much difference.

The Islamic leaders use us as an excuse to their people for everything that is wrong in the world.

They start teaching their children hate at an early age, using their religion as justification for killing and destroying.

So we may have contributed some to why Muslims hate the West so much, but nothing we could have done would have stopped it.

Islam teaches to hat and kill all non Muslims,and to conquer the world. How do you fight that?

159 posted on 05/16/2007 10:47:43 PM PDT by airborne (Duncan Hunter is the only real choice for honest to goodness conservatives!)
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To: holfen123

Already said that there should be NO taxpayer funded foreign aid, which INCLUDES Egypt. Egypt is somewhat less antagonistic to Israel than Iran, Saudi Arabia and Syria, but even so, NO U.S. TAX DOLLARS SHOULD FLOW THERE. Now, is that clear enough for you, there, studmuffin? NO U.S. TAXPAYER-FUNDED FOREIGN AID, PERIOD. TO INCLUDE NONE TO EGYPT OR ISRAEL. OR IRAQ. OR ANYWHERE IN EUROPE OR THE MIDDLE EAST. None. Anywhere. Ever again. Clear?

I LIKE Israel. As a Christian, I KNOW what Israel means to my God. I support Israel AND its right to defend itself WITHOUT the strings put on it by the self-righteous U.S. government. Is THAT clear enough for you?


160 posted on 05/16/2007 10:49:07 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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