Skip to comments.Benedict backs excommunication for pro-abortion pollies
Posted on 05/16/2007 1:57:14 PM PDT by malibu2008Edited on 05/16/2007 2:32:56 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Speaking to reporters on his way to Brazil, Pope Benedict has backed Mexican bishops who have threatened excommunication for parliamentarians who voted to legalise abortion in Mexico City.
The Age reports that the Pope was responding to a reporter's question whether he supported Mexican Church leaders threatening to excommunicate leftist parliamentarians who last month voted to legalise abortion in Mexico City.
"Yes, this excommunication was not an arbitrary one but is allowed by Canon (church) law which says that the killing of an innocent child is incompatible with receiving communion, which is receiving the body of Christ," he said.
"They (Mexican Church leaders) did nothing new, surprising or arbitrary. They simply announced publicly what is contained in the law of the Church... which expresses our appreciation for life and that human individuality, human personality is present from the first moment (of life)".
Under Church law, someone who knowingly does or backs something which the Church considers a grave sin, such as abortion, inflicts what is known as "automatic excommunication" on themselves.
The Pope said parliamentarians who vote in favour of abortion have "doubts about the value of life and the beauty of life and even a doubt about the future".
He plays one on TV.
Why did you change the title of the story in your thread posting?
Better tell Rudy that!
He thinks he is a Catholic and many believet too!
Another “play by my rules or I’ll take my ball and go home” post.
Man, it’s going to be a long time until next November.
He stayed at a holiday Inn Express last night, too!
Unless you are his bishop or the pope you can’t say that.
Malibu is an official headline editor.
Rudy is everything to everyone. He “creates his electorate”.
And Hannity would agree with him.
Shouldn’t you have posted this under the Religion topic?
We should write letters to editors to religious newspapers to let readers know he is pro-abortion, including partial-birth infanticide.
Believe it or not, not everyone knows just how pro-abortion he is.
And speaking of Rudy, people misjudge him; he is bad on the war on terror, because he has a STRONG pro-ILLEGAL immigration history.
Also, is a pro-life candidate, who will later become president, not able to fight the war on terror? That’s what even some pro-lifers seem to think.
Hannitys love for Rudy is getting a bit out of control. I wouldn’t be surprised to find pictures of them at a secret dinner holding hands.
So his is a RINO and a CINO
Pretty simple question really.
“Shouldnt you have posted this under the Religion topic?”
No, this is an action topic. Please read the first sentence of my Post #13.
“Benedict backs excommunication for pro-abortion pollies”
I kinda like the original title. You should ask the mods to put the original back on your post as this cuts down on the duplicate posts. Hard to search to see if it has been posted w/out the original title. Editorial comments can go in parantheses after the title.
Voters are supposed to demand that candidates play by their rules. That is what parties are about. Parties have platforms and the candidates are supposed to stick to them because the voters believe in the platforms and want them carried out. I know this is a hard concept for Rudybots to grasp but that is the way it works.
If you are a republican you are supposed to be conservative. You are not supposed to condone murder, you are not supposed to try to trash the 2nd amendment, you are supposed to uphold the laws of the country, I.E.: deporting illegals and securing the border.
Yep, if Rudy won't play by those rules I will definitely be voting for an independent if he gets the nomination, because it will mean the republican party has fallen to the liberals.
Catholics who advocate that the death penalty can be a just punishment are not really Catholic?
This one's not inconsistent with Catholic teaching. The Vatican City itself had the death penalty on the books until 1969, so it's unlikely that all the popes and cardinals up to that point weren't Catholic . . .
I agree that Rudy is trying to square the circle with his absurd position on abortion. If killing children is wrong, then it's goofy to assert someone has a right to "choose" it. If I choose bank-robbery, is Rudy going to back me up?
The brilliant thing about Catholic theology is that it doesn't let you play Three-Card Monte with morality. If you're doing wrong, it just crushes you with the leverage of logic. (See Thomas Aquinas.) Everything has been thought through, and human nature doesn't change.
Wait a minute. Did the Pope say that? Because the way your post is formatted you have attributed these comments to Pope Benedict.
Now people are just makin' stuff up.
We've had a pro-life President for seven years now. Abortion must be illegal now, huh? What? You mean it isn't?
Why is this an issue that matters then?
Excerpt from 2004 letter to Cardinal McCarrick:
Worthiness to Receive Holy Communion
by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger
3. Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia. For example, if a Catholic were to be at odds with the Holy Father on the application of capital punishment or on the decision to wage war, he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion. While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.
You should hit the abuse button on yourself and and the Mods to correct the Headline.
I don’t keep up with his marriages or whether they are annulled or not. I put him in the category of the Clinton's.
Last I knew, the Pope had not excommunicated Giuliani (or any other politician I am aware of) therefore Giuliani is still a Catholic.
The Catholic Catechism provides for the death penalty in certain circumstances, so, yes, Catholics who are pro-death penalty are really Catholic. That same Catechism proscribes abortion.
Read the reference in Antoninus's #28.
Let me think on that a while.
I understand your intent, but the title is not credible. The content of the post does not support the premise.
Keyboard cleanup aile 3!!!
I find it difficult to take you seriously when you don’t know the difference between “your” and “you’re”.
Rudy is not a Catholic? So? Have we now became a non secular country? Is the official religion of the USA Now Catholicism? (Rhetorical questions)
Please allow me to add to this.
The Pope recently said, “unfettered capitalism and Globalization were creating a wider divide between the rich and poor”
Thru the many international business ventures including, his partnership in Bracewell/Guiliani LLC, one would assume Rudy is a Globalist. (strike 4?) and there’s more.
therefore Giuliani is still a Catholic.
Rudy is irrelevant to me.
No. According to the Catholic Church he is still married to his last wife and he is living as an adulterer with his new "wife".
So he has sort of excommunicated himself.
That's the way it usually happens. The Church didn't leave Rudy, he left the Church.
Pope John Pauls 1995 encyclical on bioethics, Evangelium Vitae. When outlawing abortion is politically impossible, the pope held, a politician could vote for a law that permits some abortions, if its the most restrictive result feasible and the alternative would be a more liberal standard.
When it is not possible to overturn or completely abrogate a pro-abortion law, an elected official, whose absolute personal opposition to procured abortion was well known, could licitly support proposals aimed at limiting the harm done by such a law and at lessening its negative consequences at the level of general opinion and public morality, the pope wrote. This does not in fact represent an illicit cooperation with an unjust law, but rather a legitimate and proper attempt to limit its evil aspects.
So do the following: Ted Kennedy and John Kerry, probably other politicians. Mitt Romney, Bob Bennett and Orin Hatch...all pretty straight up Americans...really can't say that for Kennedy or Kerry.