Skip to comments.Benedict backs excommunication for pro-abortion pollies
Posted on 05/16/2007 1:57:14 PM PDT by malibu2008Edited on 05/16/2007 2:32:56 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Speaking to reporters on his way to Brazil, Pope Benedict has backed Mexican bishops who have threatened excommunication for parliamentarians who voted to legalise abortion in Mexico City.
The Age reports that the Pope was responding to a reporter's question whether he supported Mexican Church leaders threatening to excommunicate leftist parliamentarians who last month voted to legalise abortion in Mexico City.
"Yes, this excommunication was not an arbitrary one but is allowed by Canon (church) law which says that the killing of an innocent child is incompatible with receiving communion, which is receiving the body of Christ," he said.
"They (Mexican Church leaders) did nothing new, surprising or arbitrary. They simply announced publicly what is contained in the law of the Church... which expresses our appreciation for life and that human individuality, human personality is present from the first moment (of life)".
Under Church law, someone who knowingly does or backs something which the Church considers a grave sin, such as abortion, inflicts what is known as "automatic excommunication" on themselves.
The Pope said parliamentarians who vote in favour of abortion have "doubts about the value of life and the beauty of life and even a doubt about the future".
Nice try. Rudy’s done neither. Cheers.
This seems to support Evangelium Vitae.
>> “Shouldnt you have posted this under the Religion topic?”
> No, this is an action topic.
No, this is a thread for radical Catholics.
> Please read the first sentence of my Post #13.
No, Giuliani’s orthodoxy is irrelevant to mainstream voters.
I will believe this when I see it. The Catholic Church’s official position for years has been disfellowship/excommunication for those supporting abortion - yet I have seen ZERO cases where the church has followed through.
“Now people are just makin’ stuff up.
We’ve had a pro-life President for seven years now. Abortion must be illegal now, huh? What? You mean it isn’t?
Why is this an issue that matters then?”
President Bush is president - not a king.
He picked two originalist for SCOTUS, and we just need one more.
Now about Giuliani:
I don’t trust him to pick pro-life, conservative judges, because presidents always at least TRY to pick a nominee that matches their ideology.
Even Rudy admitted this when he said:
“Presidents, going back to the beginning of the republic, generally appoint people on the Supreme Court that they believe agree with them.”
Republican Big-Wigs Support Pro-Abortion Event in NY
Pro-abortion Governor George Pataki and New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who also supports unrestricted abortion, are co-chairs of the 2000 Choice Award Presentation to be held on May 30 at the St. Regis Hotel in New York City. The event is sponsored by the Republican Pro-Choice Coalition, a group that is campaigning for the removal of the pro-life plank from the Republican National Platform. They will honor the late Senator John Chafee, a pro-abortion advocate who was one of four Republican Senators who voted against banning partial birth abortions. A guest speaker is Senator Lincoln Chafee, who shares the former Senators views and is running for the seat to which he was appointed after the death of his father.
He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. No, I have not supported that, and I dont see my position on that changing, he responded.
Source: CNN.com, Inside Politics Dec 2, 1999
Oh, a Catholic bigot and a Rudybot, ‘nuf said.
Well an excommunication takes so many words.
You fooled me since you posted on a Rudy thread.
I find him to be a joke.
I need a laugh now and then too!
I would NEVER vote for someone like THAT.
“So do the following: Ted Kennedy and John Kerry, probably other politicians. Mitt Romney, Bob Bennett and Orin Hatch...all pretty straight up Americans...really can’t say that for Kennedy or Kerry.”
“all pretty straight up Americans”
Thanks for the laugh!
As I learned once many years ago, never get into an argument with a Jesuit!
No, it doesn't.
He’s not a practicing catholic and no practicing catholic would support his stand on abortion. We can vote for him but we can’t say he’s a practicing catholic because he isn’t. He’s a catholic in name only.
Not speaking for the Catholic Church - I don’t support the death penalty and I’m Catholic. Pro life means Pro life all the time. As long as there’s life, there’s hope. I don’t support state/government endorsed murder, be it abortion or the death penalty. I have no problem with a parent killing the person who raped their kid or pther such instances.
It reminds me of the Terri Schiavo thing. I didn’t support the government getting involved in that, or the polictians on both sides who used this woman for their personal and political benefit- none of that helped Terri, not the parents or the husband or the media or the politiians. It should have never been something the public knew about. If the public was interested in the decisions I made when my parents were dying, I’m sure many would think of me as a murderer and many others would think of me as something of an angel. It was nobody’s business and because the public didn’t know, they couldn’t comment on it and because we kept it in the family, it was about the family. And some didn’t understand, how I could stop all outside/medical help so he and she could die in peace. One of my brothers even said at her funeral when asked what my mother died of, that she died of a morphine overdose, because according to him I gave her too much morphine. I would never want what I did or how I handled my parents last days to be public knowledge or considered public opinion or that the public had any say in what I did for my parents. I don’t know how the Terri Shiavo thing happened or why so many were interested. I’m happy that whatever goes on in my family isn’t open to discussion to complete strangers or the government.
Your question regarding Catholics who advocate the death penalty can’t be really Catholic is something I don’t know. I do know anyone who supports abortion/choice isn’t following the teachings of the catholic church. Personally, I think that applies to the death penalty. But I’m also all about hanging or killing those who are treasonous, I wouldn’t have a problem with that at all so I’m not a very good Catholic in that sense. I also don’t have a problem with a parent dealing with a pervert who violated their kid. I just don’t agree with the State or the government having that kind of power.
When B16 was pre-16, he explained that one could be in favor of the death penalty, among other things, and still be in good standing. Abortion and euthanasia are not on that list. So, your personal opinion on this matter doesn't match that of the Church.
My personal opinion on anything should never be considered the opinion of the Church or the official position of the church.
The church is pro life all the time. So am I. The church tends to be on the side of illegal aliens, an anything goes immigration policy. I am not.
I don’t really know who is in good standing. I struggle daily with my own standing.
I know my Church looks down on the politicians supporting abortion and I wish they’d carry it further.
I know my Church is anti- death penalty. So am I and I wasn’t until recently.
My personal opinion on a lot of things doesn’t match the church. I was a teenager. A wild teenager. But not too wild. I’ve had a bunch of kids and I’m not having anymore. For sure. I’m sure the teachings aren’t exactly the same as I live by. However, the teachings are right and I’m not not following all of them. The church is right and most of us aren’t adhering to those teachings. I adhere to most of them, and agree with the stand but I don’t agree with the Church’s teaching on illegal immigrants. That doesn’t make me right at all. I wish I could be everything the Church teaches but I’m not.
Catholics who advocate that the death penalty can be a just punishment are not really Catholic?
I am against the death penalty but the Church is not implicitly against the death penalty the Liberal homosexuals working for the Bishops like to Pretend it is...a Vote by Liberal leaning bishops Conference
No I am 100% Orthodox Catholic Non Catholics call me the UBER Catholic... I have had my own run ins with Bishops standing up for Pro Life.... My Parish Pastor wouldn’t speak to me for two years!...