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Did comet start deadly cold snap?
Canada.com ^ | Monday, May 14, 2007 | Margaret Munro

Posted on 05/16/2007 3:00:33 PM PDT by Mike Darancette

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Just when you thought things couldn't get stranger.
1 posted on 05/16/2007 3:00:38 PM PDT by Mike Darancette
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To: Mike Darancette

Bush’s fault.


2 posted on 05/16/2007 3:02:19 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (Carbon Dioxide is plant food, not pollution.)
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To: Mike Darancette

Does Al Gore know about this? Does he know that there are things other than SUVs and power plant emissions that can cause changes in the earth’s climate? How did our cave man ancestors survive this global cooling?


3 posted on 05/16/2007 3:02:31 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego
How did our cave man ancestors survive this global cooling?

It was easy. That's why a Cave Man could do it. /snic

4 posted on 05/16/2007 3:13:41 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: Mike Darancette

5 posted on 05/16/2007 3:15:18 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: Mike Darancette

whats an “extraterrestrial gas”?

isn’t chemistry consistent across the universe?


6 posted on 05/16/2007 3:19:20 PM PDT by rahbert
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To: Dilbert San Diego

By staying in caves.


7 posted on 05/16/2007 3:19:43 PM PDT by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire at the moonbat loonery.)
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To: Mike Darancette
How many mass extinctions have been caused by “no-ice ages”?
8 posted on 05/16/2007 3:21:51 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Mike Darancette
I'll buy the ice-dam theory combined with a meteor ~ the ice-dam thesis explains where the massive flood waters came from (and we can see the evidence in many locations), and the Canadian residual icecap explains the absence of a crater.

The meteor hits the atmosphere; makes a noise; the dams break; massive quantities of water spill out into the St. Lawrence and Mississippi valleys.

Those waters spread out over the Gulf of Mexico, etc. and interrupt the haline circulation in the North Atlantic.

A sudden refreeze happens. The Sa'ami find they can travel to America along the edge of the winter sea-ice (eating seals the whole way), and arrive there just in time to find all the large game dead, the sabertooth tigers and direwolves expired (from want of game), and the world to themselves as the TOP PREDATOR.

All makes sense. Yup.

About 4,000 years later the same sort of thing happens in Antarctica. Large icedams surround the (much extended) coast, kept cool by the circumpolar cyclone, and melt water backs up behind them.

A meteor hits the atmosphere with enough force to make a loud noise which causes cracks to occur in the icedams which then break.

Vast quantities of water are suddenly released into the ocean causing a tsunami that rushes Northward to flush every coast on Earth of every living thing.

Only those who lived on top the coastal mountains or far inland, or in deep caves, survived to tell the story.

9 posted on 05/16/2007 3:22:07 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Mike Darancette
Regarding Antarctica, I think that meltdown was first though, so make that "the other way around". Antarctica's meltdown happens first; kills almost everybody, and then the Lesser Dryas event happens, killing all the big game in America (but not Asia).

Good show Lesser Dryas. You rarely see such detailed selectivity in a Climate Adjustment.

10 posted on 05/16/2007 3:24:47 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SunkenCiv; blam
This guy says the Younger Dryas was caused by a comet impact in North America.
11 posted on 05/16/2007 3:28:18 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Mike Darancette

I’ve always thought that Hudson Bay could have been caused by a meteor.


12 posted on 05/16/2007 3:35:25 PM PDT by chopperman
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To: Mike Darancette

More sensationalist studies aimed at getting maximum publicity, and hence maximum research grant $$$.


13 posted on 05/16/2007 3:42:09 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Nothing is better than eternal happiness. A ham sandwich is better than nothing. Therefore...)
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To: blam; SunkenCiv

ping


14 posted on 05/16/2007 3:43:06 PM PDT by Thud
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To: Mike Darancette

How did all of the megafauna disappear worldwide in a short period? My hypothesis is that ancient man discovered that an atlatl with poison could be launched from a safe 100 yard range at critters large enough for a BIG BBQ. That’s why smaller game, e.g., deer survived and megafauna became extinct. The Aleuts used small harpoons thrown with atlatls from kayaks to kill 40 ton whales. They used aconite from the roots of Monkshood flowers as the poison. Nicotine would work too. A few hundred years of such BBQs and good times would increase the human population manyfold and wipe out animals vulnerable to such hunting techniques.


15 posted on 05/16/2007 3:43:06 PM PDT by darth
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To: darth

Mastadon BBQ

Just think of the ribs on that puppy.

Yum, yum.


16 posted on 05/16/2007 3:47:29 PM PDT by PeteB570 (I vote, each and every single cotton picking time.)
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To: Mike Darancette

Haven’t they found about 8 sites that were claimed to be the big one?


17 posted on 05/16/2007 3:51:35 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Taz Struck By Lightning Faces Battery Charge)
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To: Mike Darancette
"But Ms. Becker and her colleagues doubt there could have been enough people to drive the creatures to extinction with spears. It would have been a real challenge to slaughter all the animals," she says.

I must have said this 50 times on FR the last seven years but, does anyone listen to me, noooooo!

18 posted on 05/16/2007 4:03:14 PM PDT by blam
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To: muawiyah
"A sudden refreeze happens. The Sa'ami find they can travel to America along the edge of the winter sea-ice (eating seals the whole way), and arrive there just in time to find all the large game dead, the sabertooth tigers and direwolves expired (from want of game), and the world to themselves as the TOP PREDATOR."

The Red Paint People?

19 posted on 05/16/2007 4:07:01 PM PDT by blam
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To: colorado tanker
"This guy says the Younger Dryas was caused by a comet impact in North America."

Others have suggested that it was a comet impact that began the end of the Ice Age earlier...reputable scientists at that.

20 posted on 05/16/2007 4:08:58 PM PDT by blam
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To: Mike Darancette
Catatraphisim is experiencing a real uptick since Al Gore hit the scene. It’s, ummm, “cool” to be catastrophic again!

However, in the late 70’s I recall all the literature on the coming ice age. It was very convincing at the time.
Hal Lindsey was quite popular and the population bomb books were all the rage also.

Hard to get excited these days about this stuff, given the sadly inaccurate history of predicted disasters.

21 posted on 05/16/2007 4:11:31 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: muawiyah
Letter From Newfoundland: Homing In On The Red Paint People
22 posted on 05/16/2007 4:16:27 PM PDT by blam
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To: Wiseghy

Somebody with better internet skills needs to find that cover. Which cover? I think it had to be TIME or Newsweek. “The Coming Ice Age” - circa 1979 ?


23 posted on 05/16/2007 4:22:29 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: blam
I have a very incomplete understanding of the science of these impacts, but the idea that a large impact triggered the end of the last ice age makes sense to me. Triggering the Dryas seems a little out there, but you never know.
24 posted on 05/16/2007 4:22:39 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: TASMANIANRED
Haven’t they found about 8 sites that were claimed to be the big one?

This is a minor “big one” occurring relatively short time ago affecting mainly the NA continent, in almost historical times.

25 posted on 05/16/2007 4:25:29 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Mike Darancette
The pulse of fresh water then shut down the ocean currents carrying heat from the tropics to the Northern Hemisphere, leading to an abrupt cooling.

So arctic melting leads to self correction?

26 posted on 05/16/2007 4:33:43 PM PDT by NonValueAdded
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To: blam

-PING-


27 posted on 05/16/2007 4:49:28 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Democrat Happens!)
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To: chopperman
I’ve always thought that Hudson Bay could have been caused by a meteor.

Looks like it, man what a noise that one would have made.

28 posted on 05/16/2007 4:55:47 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Democrat Happens!)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
A comet or some other extraterrestrial object appears to have
slammed into northern Canada 12,900 years ago and

Hockey was born...
29 posted on 05/16/2007 5:07:41 PM PDT by mikrofon (Global Icing)
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12,900 years ago is but a blink of the eye regarding Earth. Yet the world was such a different place back then. One can only imagine how Earth will be 12,900 years from now!

Recorded human civilization has only been around for a few thousand paltry years. Even 200 years ago, life was radically different for humans than it is today. No computers, airplanes, automobiles, telephones, electricity, indoor plumbing, etc.

Forget about global warming and "man-made changes" to the climate. At various intervals, most of North America was covered under thousands of feet of solid ice during the Ice Ages. These times will come yet again no matter how much we cut back on our "emissions" to curb "global warming."

I would like to be given the powers of immortality and go back in time to 25 million years ago. I would like to take with me every book ever published, every music recording ever made and every movie/TV show ever made as well as every bottle of wine and beer ever made just so I will have something civilized to do during those millions of years of non-human civilization. (Of course, I would like a power source to run all these things as well.)

This will allow me to observe the Earth for 25 million years and record everything in detail. Then as human civilization took shape, I would like to be an observer for Ancient Egypt, the Roman Empire, the Middle Ages, the Renaissance and of course, all of U.S. History. I would like to journey with the Pilgrims to New England and be on hand to observe first-hand the entirety of U.S. history.

I would like to drink beer with Benjamin Franklin, go horse riding with George Washington, have a duel with Alexander Hamilton (though not kill him), take in a play with Abraham Lincoln (though stay away from "Our American Cousin") and freak out Albert Einstein by talking about the theory of relativity with him before he even thought of it.

Yeah, all of that would be good fun.

30 posted on 05/16/2007 5:12:41 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am 74 days away from outliving Curt Hennig (whoever he is))
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To: Mike Darancette

31 posted on 05/16/2007 5:14:19 PM PDT by steveo (Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.)
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To: Mike Darancette; GMMAC; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; Ryle; ...
;-)

Canada ping.

Please send me a FReepmail to get on or off this Canada ping list.

32 posted on 05/16/2007 5:24:08 PM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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I always wondered what made this.....




33 posted on 05/16/2007 5:38:38 PM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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This is not terribly "sensationalist". Ever read the theories on the formation of Great Slave Lake (and a gazillion other little lakes in the area).

An ice dam broke on the South Shore of a fresh water lake larger than Superior.

It created vast "bad lands" formations in Canada and the United States that can still be seen. The fellow with that theory was actually laughed at until other scientists proved it.

This is just a slightly larger scale thought on the matter for a slightly earlier period of time.

For a small scale version visit Turkey Run state park near Crawfordsville, Indiana. Here a two mile high glacier melted off into a waterfall that ended at this site.

34 posted on 05/16/2007 5:46:58 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: blam
BTW, the reason the Sa'ami could travel along the Southern edge of the Winter sea ice from the Western Refugia to the Grand Banks would have been the disappearance of the Gulf Stream and other currents due to the stoppage of haline circulation by all that tremendous outflow of freshwater into the Mid and North Atlantic.

Without those currents the icebergs breaking out of the sea ice wouldn't have gotten much momentum ~ making travel in a small boat relatively safe even in mid-ocean. I would imagine this would even have a serious impact on hurricanes and that would have extended the sailing time into the warmer months giving the Sa'ami plenty of time to reach America.

I think we can come up with a specific date for when the first Europeans could have arrived in America via an Atlantic route now.

35 posted on 05/16/2007 5:53:16 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Mike Darancette; blam; SunkenCiv
According to their scenario, a comet or large meteoroid generated a shock wave and threw massive amounts of debris, heat and gas into the atmosphere. This set off wildfires that raced across grasslands in southern North America, depriving the mammoths and other grazing animals of food.

Question - what recorded blast started wildfires? Every high temperature blast, that I have seen record of, cooked (sometimes to charcoal) things exposed to them, yet I see no references to fire resulting from them.

There have been a large number of volcanoes that have erupted in recorded history, yet it has only been lava flows that I have heard of starting fires. I believe it was incendiaries, not high explosives that started the firestorms that immolated cities in WWII.

36 posted on 05/16/2007 6:12:47 PM PDT by Fraxinus (My opinion worth what you paid.)
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To: NonValueAdded
No, this was the Residual North American Ice Cap ~ used to extend all the way to Cincinatti.

This is Temperate Zone Ice about a mile or so thick.

Think "like Antarctica".

37 posted on 05/16/2007 6:15:29 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: blam

Ms. Becker listened to you.


38 posted on 05/16/2007 6:31:52 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: muawiyah
"Without those currents the icebergs breaking out of the sea ice wouldn't have gotten much momentum ~ making travel in a small boat relatively safe even in mid-ocean. I would imagine this would even have a serious impact on hurricanes and that would have extended the sailing time into the warmer months giving the Sa'ami plenty of time to reach America."

They could have walked across the ice.

39 posted on 05/16/2007 7:33:39 PM PDT by blam
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"Question - what recorded blast started wildfires?"

Tunguska.

40 posted on 05/16/2007 7:34:56 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
No doubt, but they'd been dragging stuff with them, and they necessarily crossed with females.

I tend to agree with the thesis presented on TV that they took their small boat with them if only to provide shelter against the wind.

41 posted on 05/16/2007 7:45:35 PM PDT by muawiyah
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"I tend to agree with the thesis presented on TV that they took their small boat with them if only to provide shelter against the wind."

Yes, I would have too. I wonder if we'll find these folks in the DNA somewhere up there?

42 posted on 05/16/2007 9:54:42 PM PDT by blam
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whats an “extraterrestrial gas”?

That's what you get after visiting an extraterrestrial Taco Bell.
43 posted on 05/16/2007 10:03:46 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: nnn0jeh

ping


44 posted on 05/16/2007 10:04:16 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: chopperman

yup , .. ( a better quip soon )


45 posted on 05/16/2007 10:11:57 PM PDT by Dad yer funny (FoxNews is morphing , and not for the better ,... internal struggle? Its hard to watch)
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To: muawiyah
Makes sense to me.

There is documented evidence of tremendous icedams breaking in the scablands of Washington State and in the Great lakes, sending water down the Columbia Gorge and the Mississippi River, respectively.

I hadn't heard of the Antarctic Meltdown, but that also could account for evidence of 1000 foot waves throughout the world.

46 posted on 05/16/2007 11:09:39 PM PDT by happygrl (Dunderhead for HONOR)
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To: colorado tanker
Global warming and cooling has a very set cycle, for a very specific set of reasons...nothing of which has to do with Al Gore, meteors, etc.

Look up "Milutin Milankovich", astrophysicist, at the NASA website. Read all about his research, and how over 50 years of collected data supports it.

And then laugh your ass off the next time someone starts fretting about this stuff or screaming about SUVs.

47 posted on 05/16/2007 11:21:53 PM PDT by WriterInTX
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To: blam
Tunguska.

Not much in the way of fires:
The transient heat flash from the fireball was felt by the witnesses at Vanavara, and apparently within about 30 km it was strong enough to ignite small temporary fires in the forest and singe tree bark. From: 1908 SIBERIA EXPLOSION: Reconstructing an Asteroid Impact from ...

48 posted on 05/17/2007 2:38:59 AM PDT by Fraxinus (My opinion worth what you paid.)
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To: Fraxinus
Tunguska.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The evidence suggets that the Tunguska object exploded before it impacted the ground, or the effect on the surface itself would have been much more severe, as it was 12,900 years ago in Canada.

They are not even sure it was a meteor in the classic sense, some say it was a large ball of plasma energy.

49 posted on 05/17/2007 3:59:56 AM PDT by Candor7
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The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes: Flood, Fire, and Famine in the History of Civilization The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes:
Flood, Fire, and Famine in
the History of Civilization

by Richard Firestone,
Allen West,
Simon Warwick-Smith


50 posted on 05/17/2007 5:00:19 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 11, 2007.)
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