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PALESTINIANS MAY BE CROSSING POINT OF NO RETURN TO NATIONAL SUICIDE
IMRA ^ | 5-16-07 | Michael Widlanski

Posted on 05/16/2007 5:41:08 PM PDT by SJackson

PALESTINIANS MAY BE CROSSING POINT OF NO RETURN TO NATIONAL SUICIDE

By Michael Widlanski

JERUSALEM-MAY 16--May 15 is always a "black date" on the Palestinian calendar, representing the founding of Israel and the Nakba (or "catastrophe" in Arabic) of the Palestinians. But after yesterday, May 15 may also come to symbolize the date that the Palestinians passed the point of no-return toward national suicide.

At least 20 Palestinians were murdered yesterday in Gaza (May 15), according to the most conservative Palestinian accounts, by liquidation squads of the Hamas Islamic movement that often grabbed gunmen and officials of the rival Fatah movement and publicly dragged them from cars and executed them in the streets.

"The only ones who benefit from what is happening now are the Jews. They are celebrating right now," declared an unidentified Gaza man in the street who was interviewed yesterday by official Palestinian television which is controlled by Mahmoud Abbas, the chairman of Fatah and the Palestinian Authority (PA).

The Hamas movement itself issued statements yesterday and today that denied that its men had murdered Fatah personnel, saying that the deaths were part of a "Zionist plot," and its gunmen and racketeers stepped up their attacks on Israel, launching more than 20 rockets on Israel Tuesday, wounding more than 30 Israelis.

The joint Hamas-Fatah "national unity government" appears anything but unified, and it seems only a matter of time before the Palestinian Authority collapses under its own internal violence or by dint of an Israeli military strike designed to stop mounting rocket terror attacks on its southern communities.

The Jerusalem Arabic newspaper Al-Quds ran a completely black front page banner today to symbolize the parlous state of Palestinian affairs.

Hamas squads raided the house of PA Gaza security chief Rashid Abu Shback on Wednesday, killing six of his bodyguards. Shback and Muhammd Dahlan are the primary "muscle" of PLO chief Mahmoud Abbas and his Fatah group.

A day earlier, on Tuesday, Fatah forces fled a Hamas assault near the Karni terminal east of the Gaza border with Israel after at least nine PA officers were killed when their training base was attacked by forces from the "Executive Force" of the Hamas-controlled PA Interior Ministry.

PA television carried anguished public and personal appeals from Abbas to his Hamas prime minister, Ismail Haniyyeh, to "think about what you are doing."

It is a measure of what the Palestinians themselves call the situation of fawda-anarchy-that the Egyptian government, which has been trying to mediate between Fatah and Hamas, has had to withdraw its officials, after several were attacked and wounded.

At least 40 people Palestinians have been killed since May 13 in the latest round of the Fatah-Hamas war, most of them Fatah fighters, and there are reported to be more than 100 wounded.

The bloodshed was described by official Palestinian radio-Sawt Felasteen-as a majzara, a "massacre," in Arabic. This is the kind of terminology usually reserved only for actions by Israel, and it was clear that both Hamas and Fatah were desperately trying to channel the internecine fighting and hatred into attacks on Israel, rather than on Arabs.

The rocket attacks on the Israeli town of Sderot and other communities in the Negev -more than a dozen-continued on Wednesday, seriously wounding an Israeli woman, as hundred of Israelis asked to be evacuated from the area that has absorbed three to eight rocket attacks on the average for the last year.

Meanwhile, the Israeli government of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert seemed once again not to be able to decide on a clear course of action beyond shooting artillery at empty fields in Gaza, and the Russian-born Israeli businessman, Arkady Gaidemak, spent his own money to evacuate 800 women and children from the rocket-pocked area.

"Everybody is going crazy, and nobody knows what's going on," added Ziad Abu-Ziad, a Fatah Party minister in the PA cabinet.

It appeared that the foreign press corps in Gaza was isolated and locked up in a few locations, afraid to venture outside because of what the Palestinians call falatan-chaos, and it has been about a month since a British journalist was kidnapped for ransom by one of the Palestinian gangs of riflemen that swarm through Gaza.

"Everybody is hoping that the Israelis will come in and liquidate these maniacs," declared a Gaza man who was interviewed on Israeli Television Channel 10.

"Anybody who shoots a rocket at us has to pay a price," declared Shaul Mofaz, the current Israeli transportation minister and the former defense minister, but he declined, during a radio interview, to say what kind of action he would support.

Israeli army (IDF) officers have been pressing for a major Israeli land operation into Gaza for two reasons: to push back the rocketeers out of shooting range of Israel, while also closing down the smuggling routes from Sinai and Egypt into Gaza.

In the last weeks, Israeli officers have said privately that the 31 tons of high-grade explosives which were smuggled into Gaza in the last year have been supplemented by "hundreds of tons" of other arms, largely financed by Iran. ================

Dr. Michael Widlanski is a specialist in Arab politics and communication whose doctorate dealt with the Palestinian broadcast media. He is a former reporter, correspondent and editor, respectively, at The New York Times, The Cox Newspapers-Atlanta Constitution, and The Jerusalem Post. He has also served as a special advisor to Israeli delegations to peace talks in 1991-1992 and as Strategic Affairs Advisor to the Ministry of Public Security, editing secret PLO Archives captured in Jerusalem.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: israel

1 posted on 05/16/2007 5:41:13 PM PDT by SJackson
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the deaths were part of a "Zionist plot,"

2 posted on 05/16/2007 5:42:01 PM PDT by SJackson (Arab leaders don't give a damn whether the refugees live or die, R. Garroway, UNWRA director, 8/58)
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To: SJackson

Perhaps this is a sign of better days ahead.


3 posted on 05/16/2007 5:45:35 PM PDT by Cornpone (Islam: The world's greatest, preventable and treatable psychosis. ©2006Cornpone)
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To: SJackson

This is almost as much fun as watching these nuts do each other in Iraq!!!


4 posted on 05/16/2007 5:46:20 PM PDT by joltinjoe
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To: SJackson

Better that they kill each other and leave Isreal and the rest of the world alone.

What a sewer palestine is and they created it.


5 posted on 05/16/2007 5:46:45 PM PDT by puppypusher (The world is going to the dogs.)
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To: SJackson

Since the beginning of this scenario, long ago, there has only been ONE solution to it. Maybe it will finally come now and TRUE PEACE will finally come for Israel and the area.


6 posted on 05/16/2007 5:48:26 PM PDT by EagleUSA (...)
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To: SJackson

bump


7 posted on 05/16/2007 5:49:56 PM PDT by Salman
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To: SJackson
The Hamas movement itself issued statements yesterday and today that denied that its men had murdered Fatah personnel, saying that the deaths were part of a "Zionist plot,"

It's all the Joooooos fault. They build a wall so the Pallies can't kill them as easily, and they have to kill someone so they kill each other.

8 posted on 05/16/2007 5:50:10 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Parker v. DC: the best court decision of the year.)
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To: SJackson
Didn't the Palis vote in massive numbers to bring their murderers into office? I thought so...

Suicide by referendum.

9 posted on 05/16/2007 5:50:45 PM PDT by TADSLOS (W.T. Sherman had it right.)
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To: SJackson

I certainly hope we arent going to try to stop it. If they want to commit national suicide, lets not get in the way!!


10 posted on 05/16/2007 5:52:11 PM PDT by Tatze (I'm in a state of taglinelessness!)
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To: SJackson

I thought giving Gaza to the PA was going to solve all the Pali problems? /sarcasm


11 posted on 05/16/2007 5:53:16 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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To: SJackson

It’s been an interesting experiment. As well as stupidly utopian and naive. Time to shut ‘er down and bring it back under Israeli control.


12 posted on 05/16/2007 5:57:02 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: SJackson

One way or another, when they are all gone...problem over.


13 posted on 05/16/2007 5:57:13 PM PDT by Captain Rhino ( Dollars spent in India help a friend; dollars spent in China arm an enemy.)
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To: SJackson

“PALESTINIANS MAY BE CROSSING POINT OF NO RETURN TO NATIONAL SUICIDE”

That’s like saying the sky may be blue.


14 posted on 05/16/2007 6:03:51 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Our first responsibility is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
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To: SJackson
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"With Hamas on one side, Fatah on the other, and me in the middle."

15 posted on 05/16/2007 6:05:24 PM PDT by Popocatapetl
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16 posted on 05/16/2007 6:05:28 PM PDT by Alouette (It is reminiscent of the world-famous Jewish conspiracy, now extended to also include Jews.)
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To: SJackson
“PALESTINIANS MAY BE CROSSING POINT OF NO RETURN TO NATIONAL SUICIDE”

SJackson is posting this merely to make me feel good. ~:)

17 posted on 05/16/2007 6:09:19 PM PDT by Stepan12 ( "We are all girlymen now." Conservative reaction to Ann Coulter's anti PC joke)
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To: SJackson
"PALESTINIANS MAY BE CROSSING POINT OF NO RETURN TO NATIONAL SUICIDE"

That's a "road map" that I could support. We could call it, "The Road Map to /dev/null" (oblivion file in UNIX systems).
18 posted on 05/16/2007 6:10:48 PM PDT by familyop
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To: puppypusher
"What a sewer palestine is and they created it."

...with the help of their western European allies and the likes of Rachel Corrie.
19 posted on 05/16/2007 6:13:06 PM PDT by familyop
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To: SJackson

Gaza is a welfare state. The only major source of cash is international “aid”. Whoever officially controls Gaza gets the money. It’s going to be like the Bloods versus the Crips


20 posted on 05/16/2007 6:14:50 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymLJz3N8ayI">Open Season</a> rocks)
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To: SJackson

Hey how long they blame Bush/Cheney I give it tommorow morning


21 posted on 05/16/2007 6:17:25 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: SJackson
Behold the transformative powers! Apparently democracy is not a cure for cultural sickness. Whodathunkit?



22 posted on 05/16/2007 6:19:41 PM PDT by M203M4 (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: SJackson; Yehuda; rmlew

I just wish they would kill each other faster.


23 posted on 05/16/2007 6:20:11 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: SevenofNine
Hey how long they blame Bush/Cheney I give it tommorow morning

You lose.

The article I posted before this, Enter Al-Qaeda [to gaza, it's the west's fault]

24 posted on 05/16/2007 6:24:24 PM PDT by SJackson (Arab leaders don't give a damn whether the refugees live or die, R. Garroway, UNWRA director, 8/58)
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To: SJackson

“PALESTINIANS MAY BE CROSSING POINT OF NO RETURN TO NATIONAL SUICIDE”

Outstanding! With any luck at all Hamas and Fatah will commit themselves to a savage and bloodthirsty death match that will kill huge numbers of them on both sides. Its what they like, its what they are, and the Palestinian people have earned it.

We should let them know that we are cheering for this just as they cheered for Bin Laden on September 11, 2001.

Can we pass the hat here for ammunition to send to them?


25 posted on 05/16/2007 6:26:32 PM PDT by navyguy (We don't need more youth. What we need is a fountain of SMART.)
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To: SJackson; Alouette
PALESTINIANS MAY BE CROSSING POINT OF NO RETURN TO NATIONAL SUICIDE

Well I certainly hope so.

26 posted on 05/16/2007 6:28:10 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ve'adabberah ve`edoteykha neged melakhim velo' 'evosh.)
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To: SJackson

Somewhere, Ariel Sharon is smiling...

Maligned as he was for disengaging from Gaza, the results couldn’t have been better: Hamas and Fatah playing happy trigger with each other.


27 posted on 05/16/2007 6:30:43 PM PDT by El Conservador ("The world needs to be reminded that all human ills are not curable by legislation" - Warren Harding)
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To: SJackson
"The only ones who benefit from what is happening now are the Jews. They are celebrating right now,"

While these savages might believe this, and while I would imagine that most Israeli Jews are relieved that the violence isn't being directed against them, I'm fairly certain that "most Jews," Israeli and otherwise, ARE NOT celebrating these killings. Civilized human beings don't celebrate those sorts of things. We might be glib about it, but what's happening there is a tragic waste of life. It's terrible that these people refuse to live in peace with anyone (as can be seen by the simple fact that they - the palis - really aren't welcome anywhere in the world.) It's a terrible shame, but it seems to be the truth that the palis are a people bred for just one thing... To be "cannon fodder" against Israel. Their entire existence is based on hatred for Jews and Israelis. And this is supported to this day by the assorted arab states. It's a terrible shame that the richest countries in the world have conspired to keep the palis in squalor and despair, blaming all the ills on Jews and Israelis.

Mark

28 posted on 05/16/2007 6:31:52 PM PDT by MarkL (Environmental heretics should be burned at the stake, in a "Carbon Neutral" way...)
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To: SJackson

OKayy I was little off ROFL


29 posted on 05/16/2007 6:59:47 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: SJackson

OKayy I was little off ROFL


30 posted on 05/16/2007 6:59:49 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: SJackson

OKayy I was little off ROFL


31 posted on 05/16/2007 6:59:58 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: SJackson
How can they commit “national suicide” when they aren’t a nation?
32 posted on 05/16/2007 7:00:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
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To: SJackson

I dont understand. Can Fatah not defend itself?


33 posted on 05/16/2007 7:01:56 PM PDT by CPT Clay (Drill ANWR, Personal Accounts NOW.)
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To: CPT Clay

Line of the day: “Everybody is hoping that the Israelis will come in and liquidate these maniacs”


34 posted on 05/16/2007 7:08:42 PM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: SJackson

The begining of the end of Palistine.


35 posted on 05/16/2007 7:13:28 PM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: familyop
....Or Palistine sent to the trash can, Mac, and the trash can emptied.
36 posted on 05/16/2007 7:29:27 PM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: SJackson
"Everybody is hoping that the Israelis will come in and liquidate these maniacs," declared a Gaza man who was interviewed on Israeli Television Channel 10.

Very telling.

Sorry Palestinians.

You Reap What You Sow.

37 posted on 05/16/2007 7:35:21 PM PDT by happygrl (Dunderhead for HONOR)
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To: EagleUSA
there has only been ONE solution to it.

Maranatha.

38 posted on 05/16/2007 7:36:34 PM PDT by happygrl (Dunderhead for HONOR)
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To: MarkL

The children have been taught hate from the time they were born. They don’t know anything different as they grow to adulthood because parents, grandparents, neighbors, and acquaintences all believe the same thing. Hate and killing are all they know.


39 posted on 05/16/2007 7:47:57 PM PDT by SootyFoot2
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To: SJackson

Too bad we can’t clean up this infestation like Florida does with fruit flies. Sterilize the males with radiation, then turn them loose and wait for the population to die out. Maybe Iran would help out....


40 posted on 05/16/2007 8:07:59 PM PDT by MainFrame65
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To: familyop

“The Dirt Nap To Peace”


41 posted on 05/16/2007 8:20:51 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: SJackson
"The only ones who benefit from what is happening now are the Jews. They are celebrating right now,"

Mmmmm, could be...

42 posted on 05/16/2007 8:32:34 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("I AM A SEXY SHOELESS GOD OF WAR!!!" --http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0439.html)
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To: familyop
I knew there would be a Rachel Corrie mention.....
43 posted on 05/17/2007 4:54:04 AM PDT by unionblue83 (Note to Dems:"Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser." -Gen. Patton)
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To: unionblue83
Or there's the armored version....
44 posted on 05/17/2007 4:55:01 AM PDT by unionblue83 (Note to Dems:"Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser." -Gen. Patton)
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To: SJackson

“But after yesterday, May 15 may also come to symbolize the date that the Palestinians passed the point of no-return toward national suicide.”

Who says that the news is all bad?


45 posted on 05/17/2007 9:15:43 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: Alouette

1 Moreover the word of HaShem came unto me, saying:
2 ‘Son of man, set thy face against mount Seir, and prophesy against it,
3 and say unto it: Thus saith the L-rd GOD: Behold, I am against thee, O mount Seir, and I will stretch out My hand against thee, and I will make thee most desolate.
4 I will lay thy cities waste, and thou shalt be desolate; and thou shalt know that I am HaShem.
5 Because thou hast had a hatred of old, and hast hurled the children of Israel unto the power of the sword in the time of their calamity, in the time of the iniquity of the end;
6 therefore, as I live, saith the L-rd GOD, I will prepare thee unto blood, and blood shall pursue thee; surely thou hast hated thine own blood, therefore blood shall pursue thee.
7 Thus will I make mount Seir most desolate, and cut off from it him that passeth through and him that returneth.
8 And I will fill his mountains with his slain; in thy hills and in thy valleys and in all thy streams shall they fall that are slain with the sword.
9 I will make thee perpetual desolations, and thy cities shall not return; and ye shall know that I am HaShem.
10 Because thou hast said: These two nations and these two countries shall be mine, and we will possess it; whereas HaShem was there;
11 therefore, as I live, saith the L-rd GOD, I will do according to thine anger and according to thine envy, which thou hast used out of thy hatred against them; and I will make Myself known among them, when I shall judge thee.
12 And thou shalt know that I HaShem have heard all thy blasphemies which thou hast spoken against the mountains of Israel, saying: They are laid desolate, they are given us to devour.
13 And ye have magnified yourselves against Me with your mouth, and have multiplied your words against Me; I have heard it.
14 Thus saith the L-rd GOD: When the whole earth rejoiceth, I will make thee desolate.
15 As thou didst rejoice over the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do unto thee; thou shalt be desolate, O mount Seir, and all Edom, even all of it; and they shall know that I am HaShem.


46 posted on 05/17/2007 11:05:28 AM PDT by agrace
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To: Cacique

I’ll vote for that.


47 posted on 05/17/2007 11:33:43 PM PDT by Yehuda ("Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!" (Choke on it, pinkos!))
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To: SauronOfMordor
Gaza is a welfare state. The only major source of cash is international “aid”. Whoever officially controls Gaza gets the money. It’s going to be like the Bloods versus the Crips

Exactly! They may talk religious martyrdom (for the other guy) but it's all about the money. The providers of "humanitarian aid" are enabling this blood bath.

48 posted on 05/18/2007 6:08:17 AM PDT by SupplySider
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To: SupplySider
Exactly! They may talk religious martyrdom (for the other guy) but it's all about the money. The providers of "humanitarian aid" are enabling this blood bath.

It's similar in any other welfare state, including our own "inner cities". If the men have to work at any available job, no matter how menial, in order to feed themselves and their women, then you have stability because the men are too tired from working to have time for fighting. If the food is taken care of, then the men get preoccupied with glory

49 posted on 05/18/2007 6:08:38 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymLJz3N8ayI">Open Season</a> rocks)
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