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STOP AMNESTY NOW!! WE CAN DO IT!!
me | 05-17-2007 | Me

Posted on 05/16/2007 10:25:05 PM PDT by Cacique

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Like many of you I am incensed that our representatives are ignoring the will of the people. They think we are asleep because we didn't make a big enough stink. I think it's time to change tactics.

I remember Latin America, my last memories before I left were tanks in front of my house and my mother and I under house arrest because they were looking for my father. If that is what you want america to become, then, by all means do nothing.

1 posted on 05/16/2007 10:25:10 PM PDT by Cacique
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To: pissant; kinoxi; VeniVidiVici; Bobkk47; surely_you_jest; EagleUSA; BurbankKarl; cripplecreek; ...

We must stop amnesty and it’s time to get serious about and change tactics. Please help, we can do it!


2 posted on 05/16/2007 10:28:25 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Admin Moderator

Not sure if this posted in the right section.


3 posted on 05/16/2007 10:31:06 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Cacique; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

A legal immigrant’s vanity post...


4 posted on 05/16/2007 10:31:07 PM PDT by HiJinx (Ask me about Troop Support...)
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To: Cacique
Stamped Letters to Congress take forever to get there due to terrorism screenings.
They will not get there fast enough. A telephone call is most effective.
5 posted on 05/16/2007 10:31:40 PM PDT by elizabetty (Perpetual Candidate using campaign donations for your salary - Its a good gig if you can get it.)
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To: Cacique

Contact your Congressmen and let them hear you!

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/directory/congdir.tt


6 posted on 05/16/2007 10:32:02 PM PDT by airborne (Duncan Hunter is the only real choice for honest to goodness conservatives!)
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To: elizabetty

True enough, but it is part of a package. I also mentioned phone calls. The fact is that stamped letters they get now is a trickle. When they start getting flooded they will know that something is up.


7 posted on 05/16/2007 10:34:01 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Cacique
Like many of you I am incensed that our representatives are ignoring the will of the people.

Legitimate representatives would not ignore those they represent.

Therefore, they are not legitimate representatives.

8 posted on 05/16/2007 10:36:26 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Cacique

Don’t forget that Duncan Hunter is the best candidate for tackling this issue and he will get the fence built for security reasons.


9 posted on 05/16/2007 10:36:30 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: Cacique
Do this as if your future depends on it, because it does.

Do this as if your children's future depends on it, because it does.

Do this as if the nation's future depends on it, because it does.

Local Grassroots Activism Toolkit


10 posted on 05/16/2007 10:38:42 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
Like many of you I am incensed that our representatives are ignoring the will of the people.

Legitimate representatives would not ignore those they represent.

Therefore, they are not legitimate representatives.

11 posted on 05/16/2007 10:39:56 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

There are many... who are in America, but America is not in them.


12 posted on 05/16/2007 10:41:19 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
Never seen the toolkit. Thanks!
13 posted on 05/16/2007 10:42:54 PM PDT by endthematrix (a globalized and integrated world - which is coming, one way or the other. - Hillary)
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To: Cacique

very interesting post, many good points. I truly feel that our Liberties will be at risk. A socialist hell awaits us. Our Congress if full of traitors. They will be all smiles once this bill is rammed through. I pray to God Almighty to stop this insanity.


14 posted on 05/16/2007 10:45:06 PM PDT by sand88 (q)
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To: Cacique

Now, hopefully I won’t get beat up to bad for saying this, but I’m at the point where I’d support a filibuster if that’s the only way to stop a terrible bill.


15 posted on 05/16/2007 10:47:23 PM PDT by gondramB (No man can be brave who thinks pain the greatest evil)
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To: Cacique

Great post. I agree it is now or never if we lose this battle we will almost certainly lose the war. The numbers are paramount and I also agree that the 12 million number is meaningless. Like you I think it is 30+ million and we will be overrun in less then 20 years. Just check out the demographics of our elementary schools.

“I think it’s time to change tactics.”

Absolutely. We are talking about the fate of our country AND our posterity. We must do WHATEVER it takes to prevail!
The American people are firmly behind this. We not only can do it. We must!


16 posted on 05/16/2007 10:51:24 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Cacique
Great Piece!

Not perfect, but Great.

There exists an overlooked group...Slumlords...that preys on illegals. They have Money to donate, and Clout that the Media won’t research.

I’m a second generation “Amateur Landlord”. While I was in ‘Nam, my Mother bought a Duplex. When my Wife and I were ready for a larger home, We kept our First House as a Rental. Like my Mother, We want Quality, Caring & Honest tenants, we demand a Lease and do a Background Check.

Slumlords want tenants that will OVER-pay & won’t Complain to City Hall. A Slumlord will over-populate his building, under maintain it, and then Under Report his Income. He will use some of those “hidden profits” to sway Politicians.

Slumlords are a MAJOR part of our “Border Problem”!

17 posted on 05/16/2007 10:53:15 PM PDT by PizzaDriver (an heinleinian/libertarian)
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To: Cacique

The best way to stop this in its tracks is to elect Duncan HUnter in 2008.


18 posted on 05/16/2007 10:54:51 PM PDT by pissant
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To: Kevmo

Hunter is good on illegal immigration, but he doesn’t have a clue on the problems with legal immigration, which in the long run is far more dangerous to this country’s future.


19 posted on 05/16/2007 10:55:44 PM PDT by kabar
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To: pissant

too late, they are intent on having a bill signed by july, 2007. If we don’t act now 2008 will be irrelevant.


20 posted on 05/16/2007 10:56:56 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: kabar

Nonsense.


21 posted on 05/16/2007 11:00:59 PM PDT by pissant
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To: Cacique

Excellent article, well written, well researched. I have been saying basically the same for some time time now, but not nearly as eloquently. I have often thought until we see millions of citizens in the streets protesting or counter-protesting the May Day protests, little is going to change. That is the main reason I am supporting Hunter. As your article clearly represents, if we don’t stop this now or elect someone in ‘08 who will secure our borders; It won’t matter how fiscally responsible we are, who wins the WOT, who gives the most flowery speeches or who will cut taxes. The demographics will have changed in such a way that the “creeping socialism” will have crept, and conservatives will be on the outside, looking in. Again great article, thanks for your time and effort.


22 posted on 05/16/2007 11:03:55 PM PDT by WildcatClan (Just wait till the Pretendicans have to debate, Hunter in '08)
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To: kabar
the problems with legal immigration, which in the long run is far more dangerous to this country’s future.

if this bill passes, there wont be a future for this Republic. It will be morphed into a Balkanized, Socialist hell. Please explain how you think "legal" immigration will be more dangerous?

23 posted on 05/16/2007 11:07:10 PM PDT by sand88 (q)
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To: kabar

That’s the first I’ve heard anything like that. Care to elaborate? Or are you going to post & run?


24 posted on 05/16/2007 11:09:34 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: pissant
The best way to stop this in its tracks is to elect Duncan HUnter in 2008.

Sorry, if this bill passes there will be no turning back. The traitor Bush and his cohorts in congress will have set this Country on an unstoppable path to third world socialism. Neither Duncan Hunter, nor anyone else, will be able to stop the invasion. We have been sold out. What happens in Iraq or the WOT will have little influence compared to the destruction of our Country these "leaders" will have brought about. Some people may be fortunate enough to live in a part of the country less desirable to the invaders, but in the end there will be no United States of America left. This has been Bush, his father and their fellow globalists plan from the beginning. We were fools not to have seen that this was the real security threat to this Country. Frankly, I put Bush on the same level as Osama Bin Laden, but Bush will be successful in destroying this Country while Bin Laden never could have been.

25 posted on 05/16/2007 11:11:32 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: sand88

Good question, and I would be willing to wager my favorite Ka-Bar that Hunter knows very well the manifold problems with the INS. I mean if an idiot like me understands. :)


26 posted on 05/16/2007 11:14:18 PM PDT by WildcatClan (Just wait till the Pretendicans have to debate, Hunter in '08)
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To: pissant
I am part of a local grassroots immigration reform organization in Northern VA. Hunter spoke to a group of us [about 25 people] at our office last month. He was gracious and took questions for about an hour after giving a 30 minute speech. He emphasized the fence bill [that even Hillary signed] and that he would hone in on it "like a laser" to get it constructed. However, he said only 1 and 1/2 miles had been built. The WH and Dems were dragging their feet.

When the subject of legal immigration came up, Hunter demonstrated to us that he was not up to speed on the need to reform legal immigration, which currently legalizes the status of 1.1 million people a year and the impact that this is having on the country demographically. He asked his aid to look into some of the issues we raised, especially chain migration and anchor babies.

I also asked what he intended to do about visa overstays, which are the source of about 40% of our illegal aliens, and the visa wavier program. I mentioned that there will need to be a large increase in the present bureaucracy to get this problem under control. He responded that the fence would free up additional personnel for this function, which is nonsensical to me based on my personal work experience.

The bottom line is that Hunter is good on the fence and the illegal immigration issue, but he is still a politician that supports our current legal immigration laws and recites the bromide that we are a nation of immigrants. We can't continue to take in the numbers and kinds of people that we take in now. We are sowing the seeds of our own destruction.

27 posted on 05/16/2007 11:15:26 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Interesting and disappointing report about Hunter.


28 posted on 05/16/2007 11:16:10 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charley the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: gondramB

“support a filibuster if that’s the only way to stop a terrible bill.”

Uh, yeah. That’s a no-brainer, isn’t it?


29 posted on 05/16/2007 11:17:05 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charley the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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Thanks much for this thread, Cacique. I promise to make some calls FIRST THING tomorrow. I would urge EVERYONE to make some.

P.S. I loved reading your personal biography. Your life has been so interesting. Well done.

30 posted on 05/16/2007 11:17:30 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Mitt Romney for President '08)
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To: kabar
Hunter is good on illegal immigration, but he doesn’t have a clue on the problems with legal immigration, which in the long run is far more dangerous to this country’s future.

Nonsense. His district is on the Mexico border. He's been dealing effectively with both legal and illegals since the 80's.

31 posted on 05/16/2007 11:17:54 PM PDT by airborne (Duncan Hunter is the only real choice for honest to goodness conservatives!)
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To: California Patriot

I would still like to see him as part of the ticket as either VP or President. He is strong and knowledgeable on national security and trade issues as well as illegal immigration.


32 posted on 05/16/2007 11:18:12 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
"but he is still a politician that supports our current legal immigration laws and recites the bromide that we are a nation of immigrants. We can't continue to take in the numbers and kinds of people that we take in now. We are sowing the seeds of our own destruction."

Almost no one talks about legal immigration, also a problem.

33 posted on 05/16/2007 11:19:32 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Mitt Romney for President '08)
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To: gondramB
Now, hopefully I won’t get beat up to bad for saying this, but I’m at the point where I’d support a filibuster if that’s the only way to stop a terrible bill.

This is a bill negotiated between both parties. There's no way there will be 41 Senators to vote against cloture.

34 posted on 05/16/2007 11:21:01 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: kabar
when I came here there was no "family reunification" incentives in immigration law. That occured in the immigration "reform" of 1964 because a lot of whoites were made to feel guilty that most immigration at that time was from europe. The family reunification caluse made it easy to multiply the immigrant population once the original immigrants acted as anchors to bring in their relatives who brought in their relatives who brought in their relatives, etc. etc.. The result is the mess we have now. But at least with legal immigrants we pretty much know who they are. Not that it makes much difference anyway.

But first we must stoip the amnesty and then we can focus on getting rid of the family reunification concept that seems to baloon legal immigration.

35 posted on 05/16/2007 11:21:48 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: airborne
None of this matters. Bush and the dems will push this through in a matter of weeks. The list of reasons why we must vote for a republican idiot instead of a insane dem is dwindling.
36 posted on 05/16/2007 11:23:02 PM PDT by fantom
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To: sand88; Kevmo; airborne; Cacique
if this bill passes, there wont be a future for this Republic. It will be morphed into a Balkanized, Socialist hell. Please explain how you think "legal" immigration will be more dangerous?

I sent the following in the form of an email to a local radio station that put it on its website for a few days. I also sent it to my Reps in Congress.

"I enjoyed your program this morning, but I was disappointed I couldn't get on after 45 minutes of holding on the phone. I guess that is a reflection of the fact that you have a popular program and many engaged listeners.

Re the Bush Guest Worker Program: I agree with you that we don't need another guest worker program and that it won't work anyway. First, we already have many guest worker programs in the form of various visas such as H1B, H2B, TN Nafta Work visa, L-1 Intra-company Transfer Work visa, Nurse Work visa, O-1 Visa, P Visa, R-1 visa, etc. We already have millions of people working here as guest workers under those programs.

Where you and I part company is your suggestion that we increase the current legal immigration quotas to get the workers we need. We don't need to increase the number of the current one-million legal immigrants we take in annually. We do need to change the existing immigration laws that are not serving us well as a nation. We are taking in more legal immigrants than ever before, just not the ones we need to provide us with the skills and talents required to keep us competitive in the global economy.

What is going on today is unprecedented in our nation's history. Here are some facts gleaned from Bureau of the Census data that provide an indication of what is really happening:

---The 35.2 million immigrants (legal and illegal) living in the country in March 2005 is the highest number ever recorded -- two and a half times the 13.5 million during the peak of the last great immigration wave in 1910.

---Between January 2000 and March 2005, 7.9 million new immigrants (legal and illegal) settled in the country, making it the highest five-year period of immigration in American history.

---Immigrants account for 12.1 percent of the total population, the highest percentage in eight decades. If current trends continue, within a decade it will surpass the high of 14.7 percent reached in 1910.

---Of adult immigrants, 31 percent have not completed high school, three-and-a-half times the rate for natives. Since 1990, immigration has increased the number of such workers by 25 percent, while increasing the supply of all other workers by 6 percent.

---The proportion of immigrant-headed households using at least one major welfare program is 29 percent, compared to 18 percent for native households.

---The poverty rate for immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under 18) is 18.4 percent, 57 percent higher than the 11.7 percent for natives and their children. Immigrants and their minor children account for almost one in four persons living in poverty.

---One-third of immigrants lack health insurance -- two-and-one‑half times the rate for natives. Immigrants and their U.S.‑born children account for almost three-fourths (nine million) of the increase in the uninsured population since 1989.

A central question for immigration policy is: Should we allow in so many people with little education, which increases job competition for the poorest American workers and the size of the population needing government assistance? How did we get into this predicament in the first place?

Prior to 1965, the US was taking around 178,000 legal immigrants annually. In 1965, Congress replaced the national origins system with a preference system designed to unite immigrant families and attract skilled immigrants to the United States. With these changes and some subsequent ones, the result was that most of our legal immigrants now come from Asia and Latin America, and not Europe. Chain migration designed to unite families has also brought in aged parents, children, uncles, etc., many of whom are not contributing to our society and in fact, require more social services. Even with quotas in certain immigration categories, we are now legalizing the status of over one million people annually and millions more are waiting in lines overseas for their turn to come in. Chain migration has also changed the "mix" of immigrants, making it less diverse.

Mexico accounts for 31 percent of all immigrants, with 10.8 million immigrants living in United States, more than the number of immigrants from any other region of the world. Immigrants from Mexico, Central and South America, and the Caribbean account for the majority of immigrants, with 54 percent of the foreign‑born coming from these areas. Of those who arrived 2000 to 2005, 58 percent are from Latin America. This lack of diversity has hindered assimilation and could well result in the Balkanization of the country by language and culture.

We need a rational, sensible immigration policy for many reasons, some of them economic and some of them cultural, i.e., the ability to assimilate these massive numbers into our society . Since 1970, the population of the US has increased by 100 million; since 1990; by 53 million; and since 2000 by 20 million or the equivalent of our six largest cities. The Bureau of the Census projects that we will have 364 million by 2030 and over 400 million by 2050 with one-quarter of the population being Hispanic. The annual arrival of 1.5 million legal and illegal immigrants, coupled with 750,000 annual births to immigrant women, is the determinate factor— or three-fourths— of all U.S. population growth. These additional people will require infrastructure [roads, water, electricity, gasoline, etc.], and impact our schools, hospitals, social welfare systems, penal system, etc. Couple these increases with an aging US population faced with entitlement programs about to go belly-up in 10 years and you have some serious public policy issues that could threaten the future of this country.

Just as Social Security is the third rail of American politics, so is real immigration reform. No one really talks about decreasing the numbers of legal immigrants or changing the laws to give us a system that acts to benefit this country in terms of supplying us with people who will contribute economically to our national well-being. We are after all a "nation of immigrants" and our politicians and others speak as though we have gone through all of this before. No one is against legal immigration, and some even want to increase the numbers. The real fact is that we are taking in unprecedented numbers of legal immigrants and when you add an additional 500,000 to one million illegal aliens annually, you have a recipe for disaster.

I compare what is happening in terms of immigration to the oft-repeated example of boiling a frog who is put in a pot of cold water with the heat slowing being increased until the frog realizes too late that it is being boiled alive. Eventually, the American people will realize what is happening. It will come down to whom do you believe, the political elites' spin or "your own lyin' eyes."

Chris, you have been one of the few in the mainstream media who get it when it comes to immigration issues. As you correctly mentioned, the illegal immigration problem is easier to correct than the issues surrounding legal immigration. To me, the greater problem is legal immigration and our existing laws that contain the seeds of our own destruction. America is the world's lifeboat, the best hope of Man, but there are limits to the numbers we can bring onboard without swamping us. We already take in more legal immigrants than probably the rest of the world combined. We need, as a country, a public policy debate on this issue--a debate not marked by demagoguery and name calling. Cheers

37 posted on 05/16/2007 11:28:31 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Prokopton

I fear you may be right. McConnell is my Senator and he has schooled The Dems once already. Gonna see if I can’t find what course he intends taking on this.


38 posted on 05/16/2007 11:28:35 PM PDT by WildcatClan (Just wait till the Pretendicans have to debate, Hunter in '08)
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To: kabar; Duncan Hunter Ambassador

Ok, I see you have primary source material to report. I’m going to ping Duncan Hunter’s son, Sam, who is also a freeper with the screenname Duncan Hunter Ambassador to see if we can get a response on LEGAL immigration such as H1B visas.


39 posted on 05/16/2007 11:38:43 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: Cacique
The inquisition was organized mainly to reconvert all those souls who were under islam for 700 years. The result is that many of the conquistadores who came here were a generation away from being muslims. They brought with them a world view much closer to islam than the view of a sophisticated catholic from Italy. The concepts of machismo, guerra sin cuarto, Caudillismo etc. are elements from the islamic period that remained a part of spanish culture in Latin America. There are a lot of parallels between Latin American culture in it's conservatism and what one would find in the middle east. This is something that needs to be kept in mind.

Fascinating.

I had never heard this discussed, although I had heard that many of the early settlers from Spain were Marranos/Conversos, who quickly moved to the frontier in New Mexico to secretly practice Judaism.

But back to the subject: Have Stamp:Will Write.

40 posted on 05/16/2007 11:43:23 PM PDT by happygrl (Dunderhead for HONOR)
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To: gondramB
Filibusters can be an appropriate tool.

Just not for Court nominees, who deserve an up or down vote, according to long-standing Senate Rules.

41 posted on 05/16/2007 11:46:03 PM PDT by happygrl (Dunderhead for HONOR)
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To: Kevmo
if we can get a response on LEGAL immigration such as H1B visas.

H1B visas are really not part of the legal immigration program except that employers can sponsor employees for a green card to extend the six year limitation. H-1B Work Visa Frankly, H1Bs bring in the kinds of people that help our ecnomony than the self-selected ones that come across the border. I believe that Hunter is still for keeping the current limitation of 65,000 per year.

You may wish to ask him where he stands on H.R. 938: Nuclear Family Priority Act

The legal immigration reform I am referring to has to do with chain migration and how we select people to come into the country. Canada has a points system that is used to bring in the skills and talents the country needs. We need to adopt something similar and get away from chain migration.

42 posted on 05/16/2007 11:52:37 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
legal immigration, which in the long run is far more dangerous to this country’s future.

Legal immigration has been tilted to favor those who have no cultural connectedess with the US, encouraging a balkanization of this country.

Thank you Teddy Kennedy (1965) sarc/

43 posted on 05/16/2007 11:54:12 PM PDT by happygrl (Dunderhead for HONOR)
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To: kabar

Belay the last. Hunter is one of the sponsors of H.R. 938.


44 posted on 05/16/2007 11:55:12 PM PDT by kabar
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To: happygrl

We also need you to contact your friends, non FReepers and other acquaintances and have them write too. The objective is to start a chain reaction like what happens to fissile material in a nuclear reactor.


45 posted on 05/16/2007 11:56:27 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Kevmo

See my post #44. It is time to go to bed. It is 3 AM.


46 posted on 05/16/2007 11:56:52 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Cacique

Got it !


47 posted on 05/16/2007 11:57:27 PM PDT by happygrl (Dunderhead for HONOR)
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To: Kevmo

It is late. Mr Duncan supported HR 938, not Duncan Hunter, so my question stands.


48 posted on 05/17/2007 12:00:48 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
I have to emphatically agree with you on the issue of chain-immigation, and the elderly that are brought in by families, and put on SSI and Medicaid, with Senior-Assisted Housing subsidies to boot.

These are not only Hispanics, but Asians, who are quick to embrace all their financial "rights" once they get here.

It makes me see red, when I see this drain on the public treasury by those who never contributed one dime.

49 posted on 05/17/2007 12:05:23 AM PDT by happygrl (Dunderhead for HONOR)
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To: Cacique

Everybody needs to make phone calls. NumbersUSA.com says they’re hearing from congresscritters that they aren’t getting many protest calls so they are assuming it’s OK with their constituents to go with amnesty.

SO EVERYBODY START CALLING YOUR CONGRESSCRITTERS TOMORROW AND CALL THEM OFTEN UNTIL THEY GET THE MESSAGE!!


50 posted on 05/17/2007 12:09:44 AM PDT by abigailsmybaby (I was born with nothing. So far I have most of it left.)
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