Skip to comments.STOP AMNESTY NOW!! WE CAN DO IT!!
Posted on 05/16/2007 10:25:05 PM PDT by Cacique
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The Coming Great Divide in America
Both my senators, Dole and Burr, are for total amnesty and open borders. But I will call and call and call...
THANK YOU for a very informative post.
“The legal immigration reform I am referring to has to do with chain migration and how we select people to come into the country. Canada has a points system that is used to bring in the skills and talents the country needs. We need to adopt something similar and get away from chain migration.”
Agreed. Since abortion is taking away from a steady workforce, we have to have a more merit-based legal immigration system. Canada isn’t entirely based on merit.
I think fundamentally we have to have people that come-in when industries have wage excessively rising ie far past inflation. Our baby-boomers are retiring, and it would be better if we had a productive class to replace them. Not low-skilled workers whom benefit from our progressive policies.
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ok...I will start writing letters to my reps...good idea. Emails are too easily ignored and deleted.
One of the conditions that the 'cabal' made with the rulers of the then collapsing USSR was that we would take steps to bring this nation down to the level of oh say Portugal?
What easier way than to bring in 130 million Third world Peasants who have no education or even loyalty to this nation.
Before anyone calls tin foil hat on this ask yourself why Bush is bringing in so many people whose historic voting pattern is for tax and spend Democrats?
Ya we all got sucked in with his tax cuts and BS, but history will show the Bush clan destroyed what was once a great nation. Of course they will rationalize it as there is no more USSR, we don't need to be strong.
They also feel China will always remain a trade partner and will succumb to the benefits of capitalism where they will make more money. That's why Dubya kowtowed to China when they grabbed our P-3 Navy plane.
You can’t stop it. You couldn’t stop Nafta or Gatt. You couldn’t get anybody to listen about term limits.
Why should immigration be any different?
Cromwell hung the traitors in Parliment. We need to hold a mail order lymch party. I will use fedex to my two senators and rep.
I had already intended to write to my Congressman and my Senators today but this just adds more impetus to that effort. I also intend to write the RNC and let them know this issue may put them out of business with me and a lot of other voters.
I agree that US Mail is the way to go, since it is very easy to ignore emails or turn off the fax machine. For their 41 cents, USPS will deliver every single letter and, money hungry SOBs that they are, the staff will have to open them because there might be a donation in them.
In fact, I intend to include a check for very small amount of money (say $0.10) and will warn them that I intend to check their campaign filings with the FEC to ensure that they report it properly. Imagine the attention that say...10,000 letters of complaint will get if each one of them has to be individually processed because they had a small amount of money in them. I’m still researching what the minimum contribution is but given our new Congressional leadership’s emphasis on ethics it may be a low as $0.01.
Although deporting all of them might be emotionally appealing, the law of unintended consequences applies. (Like those one industry small communities in the South that are undergoing major economic problems because ICE raids scared away their significant illegal immigrant worker populations.) Maybe a better approach is to make sure that any “grace” that is extended to regularize the status of illegal immigrants can’t possibly be mistaken for amnesty. Sort of a strong welcoming pat on the back by a hand wrapped in barbed wire.
Here are a couple of things I am going to suggest:
- Every illegal immigrant and any children must immediately and personally turn themselves in to the ICE.
- Immediate formal apprehension, processing, and, after a wanted and warrants check, parole by ICE.
- Appropriations to properly staff and fund ICE operations to accomplish surge processing.
- Must carry parole papers with them at all time and present them on demand to law enforcement officials.
- Full, voluntary, and complete disclosure and taxation of all financial and employment activity since arriving illegally.
- Future full compliance with all US laws (federal, state, local).
- Strict lifetime residency reporting requirements.
- Very painful fine structure (not $5,000 - a minimum of $25,000).
- No citizenship for border jumpers (permanent resident status only).
- No public office holding (elected or appointed) for border jumpers.
- No public policy office holding for border jumpers.
- Citizenship for their US born children only upon reaching adulthood with an acceptable police record (i.e. minor traffic tickets okay but no drugs, major crime and gangs)
- End of the “notch baby” effect for other family members.
- Immediate deportation without further judicial proceeding for violating any of these provisions.
- And last but not least, really huge fines and mandatory jail time for any company employing unparoled illegal aliens.
Oh, you mean the Democrats that the libs elected; you expect calling them will accomplish something ? The time to act is in elections.
The first thing I did this morning was e-mail my senators. I then went on to read that one of mine Saxby Chambliss is one of the hold outs, he will not go along with this travesty. I guess he reads his own website.
Of the following issues, which do you think is most urgent in Georgia?
4813 total votes
At least he knows where I stand. This is absolutely making me sick to my stomach.
We can't wait until 2008.
We simply cannot afford complacency. 68% tells me it’s not just conservatives or democrats who oppose amnesty. The elites see we aren’t making any noise. They interpret that as apathy about the issue. Only sheep give up without a fight. Politics is about more than just elections.
Thanks for the post.
It is imperative that calls be made before the vote on Monday
Senate Amnesty / Guestworker Debate Delayed until May 21
(May 17) Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) delayed until May 21 the cloture vote on the motion to proceed to S. 1348, immigration legislation very similar to last year’s Senate-passed amnesty bill (S. 2611). The vote was delayed to buy Senators more time to negotiate a “compromise” bill and draft its language
Thank you for the bump.
Thanks for the ping; great post; great thread.
And you think Fred Thompson would be better than Duncan Hunter? If amnesty is defeated, who on the horizon would you choose to be the next president of the United States?
This is a great article...
Can you please place this in News/Activism/Chapters where it was originally intended for? Thank you.
Thanks for the bump
Thank you for the heads up. Wrote, stamped and mailed to Baird, Murray and Cantwell this morning, for what it’s worth.
Cacique, thank you so much for taking the time to write this post. I will get in touch with my Congresscritters right away.
On the mail issue, AFAIK the screening goes on only for mail sent to offices in D.C. The best thing is to both call and send letters to your representatives' local office.
Good post! BTTT
“We are sowing the seeds of our own destruction.”
I support Tom Tancredo, since he is the only candidate that fully understands the Immigration and the invasion problems.
I don't know what Fred Thompson's position is on immigration. He hasn't thrown his hat in the ring. I like Hunter's position on illegal immigration, but he needs to say more about what he will do to change legal immigration policies. Generally, I see Thompson as having a leg up on Hunter in terms of electability, mainly due to name recognition and personality.
If amnesty is defeated, who on the horizon would you choose to be the next president of the United States?
I am still on the fence. The most impressive so far from the two debates has been Romney. He is the most articulate and charismatic. I just question his conservative credentials. I like Hunter who has a real record and substantive knowledge about national security, trade and immigration issues. The only real question is about electability and a hint of some alleged personal scandal about his home. I want to know more about that. We still have plenty of time to learn more about the candidates and their positions on the issues.
>...electability, mainly due to name recognition and personality.<
And look where GWB’s name recognition and personality has gotten us! Not 10-15 million, but 35-70 million illegal immigrants wanting to take over the country! Both GWB and Thompson are Globalists.
Name recognition and personality? Give me substantive content every time. Give me Duncan Hunter.
>alleged scandal about his home?<
You are a dangerous person with your innuendo. If you know something, spill it or chill it!
Should you want to do something FOR your country, check out my post #79.
Post #79 on Thread: Long-shot Hunter stays in hunt on message.
Frankly, H1Bs bring in the kinds of people that help our ecnomony than the self-selected ones that come across the border.
***I see from this sentence that you don’t know what you’re talking about. The H1B visa program is riddled with fraud. My perception of Duncan Hunter is that he is interested in cleaning out all aspects of the immigration system. You have an agenda that I’m not all that interested in pursuing.
... so my question stands.
***Nope. Your question falls into the waste bin of human history generated by people with an agenda who do not accommodate truthful inquiry.
As an apparent ardent supporter, I am surprised that you haven't heard or read about it.
And then there is this about his alleged connection with the Cunningham scandal I am not accusing Hunter of any wrongdoing, but you can bet that if his candidacy gains traction, these issues will come up. He must be prepared to deal with them swifty.
Should you want to do something FOR your country,
I have already done plenty FOR my country. I will compare my contributions with your's anytime. Don't question my patriotism.
Unlike other visa programs or legal immigration policies? Do you disagree with the program itself or how it is administered?
My perception of Duncan Hunter is that he is interested in cleaning out all aspects of the immigration system. You have an agenda that Im not all that interested in pursuing.
The Reps had control of the House for 12 years. They bear some of the reponsibility for the sad state of our immigration policy and the lack of enforcement of the laws on the books. What agenda are you talking about? Reforming our legal immigration laws? Securing our borders? Having a system that brings in immigrants we need in terms of skills and talents rather than the current chain migration laws and self-selected immigrants who enter our country illegally? What is your agenda?
LOL. What the hell are you talking about? Does Duncan Hunter support HR 938, which is a Rep sponsored bill?
Only YOU can stop the Senate amnesty now -- UPDATE on details of bill up for Monday vote ATTENTION RECENTLY JOINED MEMBERS: We are in a legislative crisis. Ordinarily, you may get 1-2 Alerts from me a week. But during a crisis, you will be receiving more than one Alert a day -- sometimes several a day -- until the final votes. Please be patient and take as many actions as possible.
I spent the day with our NumbersUSA Hill Team visiting many Members of Congress and their staffers.
The amnesty compromise has been reached (at least 95% of it, anyway). Sen. Kennedy (D-Mass.), Sen. Kyl (R-Ariz.) and Pres. Bush have negotiated a grand compromise between those who wanted a massive increase in foreign workers and those who wanted a blanket amnesty for illegal aliens and virtually unlimited family chain migration. Nobody involved represented the American people's interest in immigration reductions.
The first key vote will be next Monday night.
Senators are admitting privately that the bill will increase the number of greencards (for permanent settlement) by 20 million over the next 13 years. Added to the number that will be given out based on current law, that means 30-35 million greencards in just the next 13 years! .
To give you an idea of how radically these Senators want to change our nation and communities, consider that there are around 25 million foreign-born now living in this country who have been given green cards over the last 75 years. That number already has overwhelmed and changed thousands of communities..
But the Senate negotiators and Pres. Bush want to raise that number of greencard holders in our communities from 25 million to 60 million in just the next 13 years! .
(See below for more of the devastating components of the amnesty agreement.) .
SENATORS SAY THEY ARE WILLING TO VOTE FOR AMNESTY BECAUSE THEY AREN'T GETTING THAT MANY PHONE CALLS OPPOSING THE NEGOTIATIONS .
I picked up some more unsettling and startling information on the Hill today. Such as this:.
Many Senators are telling staffers and other Senators that they are inclined to vote for the giant Kennedy/Bush amnesty bill (S. 1348) next week because they say they have been surprised at how few phone calls of protest they've gotten during the last two months of highly-publicized negotiations to create the amnesty. .
They are concluding that the citizens of their states just aren't all that worked up about granting an amnesty. And they're interpreting that as a green light to give corporations the huge new supplies of legal foreign labor they desire. .
These are Senators who have voted against amnesty in the past..
This makes me heart-sick. While we have given you a number of opportunities to make phone calls to express concern about the amnesty negotiations, we haven't pushed you hard until this week because the Republican negotiators assured us at every step of the way that they would not agree to anything that gives permanent legalization to illegal aliens..
Now that the "deal" has been revealed as a nearly total blanket amnesty for 12-20 million illegal aliens, it is obvious that the Republican negotiators and their staffs misled us, and misled you when you called. .
At this time, only 15 Senators are thought to be likely to vote against the amnesty next week..
Everybody on the Hill says constituent pressure the rest of this week and next week is the only thing that can add more NO votes. But they feel a lot of Senators' support for the amnesty bill is shallow and can change once they realize how politically risky it is to vote YES -- and to learn more details of the really horrible and costly parts of the bill. .
I should tell you that Rosemary Jenks (our director of government relations) remains optimistic that our grassroots mobilization can eke out 41 NO votes next week in a cloture vote -- that would kill the amnesty in the Senate. But that will happen only if tens of thousands more of you than normal pick up a phone and make a call. .
ACTIONS FOR TODAY .
I hope thousands of you will have enough information in this Alert to start making phone calls right now. And I hope the rest of you will start sending faxes and making phone calls as soon as we send you more specific action links with talking points..
Go to your Action Buffet corkboard every morning and afternoon until this is over. Send the faxes. We'll be putting up new faxes every day..
MAKE A PHONE CALL TO YOUR TWO SENATORS AT: 202-224-3121 I know that most of you have never made a phone call. Your faxing totally dominates the written communications in offices. But our phone presence just isn't powerful enough. We need far more phoning to give more weight to the piles of faxes they are getting. .
THE SENATORS ARE PARTICULARLY MEASURING PHONE CALLS RIGHT NOW..
Many of you will have enough information from this Alert to make phone call as soon as you finish reading this. But for those of you who have never make a call before, you may want to wait until you get an email with a link to a phone action note that will give you talking points and make it easy for you. .
The opposition is doing everything possible to try to convince Senators that our movement represents loud people but not very many people. We need every one of you to step forward and be heard to convince Senators that our voice is the voice of the majority. .
Combined with high fertility among the foreign born, immigration is currently on a trajectory to lead to 100 million more people crowded into American communities before mid-century. .
But if this Kennedy/Bush/Kyl Amnesty (the KBK Amnesty) passes into law, this nation will have to handle 100 million more people in just a few decades, long before mid-century. .
KEY COMPONENTS OF THE KBK AMNESTY Although we don't have the legislative language yet, here are the key components:.
* WE LOSE -- by getting an immediate amnesty for nearly all 12-20 million illegal aliens who will get legal status for residence and jobs (with assurance of green cards no later than 13 years). .
* IN EXHANGE FOR -- we get mandatory workplace verification and a lot of extra enforcement (with a lot of typical Kennedy loopholes) to try to slow the flow of the next 12 million illegal aliens enticed by the amnesty; .
* WE LOSE -- by getting a tripling of the rate of chain migration of extended family from around 250,000 a year to around 750,000 a year for about a decade; .
* IN EXCHANGE FOR -- after about a decade, there should be no more chain migration (assuming that Kennedy doesn't add it back in by then); .
* WE LOSE -- by getting new flows of 400,000 temporary foreign workers each year, bringing their families and having anchor babies who will be given U.S. citizenship; .
* IN EXCHANGE FOR -- at least the temporary workers are supposed to leave and not be able to apply for greencards and permanent residency. .
WHY THE REPUBLICANS ARE STAMPEDING TO BACK THIS AMNESTY .
The majority of Republican Senators last year voted against the S. 2611 amnesty that passed..
But at a noon meeting today with nearly all GOP Senators, Sen. Kyl outlined the amnesty agreement he had negotiated with Sen. Kennedy. Our sources say only about three Senators raised concerns. Most of the rest were saying things like, "If you think this is a good idea, John, I guess that should be good enough for us." .
Pres. Bush and staff have been brilliant in moving Sen. McCain (R-Ariz.) and Sen. Martinez (R-Fla.) into a more secondary role and persuading conservative leader Kyl to lead the negotiations. Kyl is able to lead many Senators to follow him who would otherwise not support an amnesty of any kind. .
At the moment, the only Senators whom we feel relatively certain are opposing this new amnesty are Sen. DeMint (R-SC), Enzi (R-Wyo.), Crapo (R-Idaho), Vitter (R-La.), Allard (R-Colo.), Sessions (R-Ala.), Chambliss (R-Ga.), Grassley (R-Iowa). .
Let us know what you find out when you call the other offices. .
GOOD LUCK, .
P.S. The following email was passed on to me from the National Review which received it from one of its readers. Perhaps you will be encouraged by it.
I can tell you that Republican congressional offices are besieged with faxes. My own congress critter had a staffer call me Monday to ask if I were using an automatic faxer, since they were getting hundreds and hundreds of similar ones. I told him that NumbersUSA, to which I belong, did have a fax service. I also asked him if it didn't help [the congressman>, who's pretty good on the issue, to be able to say he'd gotten x faxes and y phone calls in absolute opposition to whatever, as he attempts to stiffen the rather flexible spines of some of his colleagues.
The staffer finally admitted that they did use the numbers, but felt overwhelmed. I told him if that was the case, they needed to be beating leadership over the head with boxes of faxes, not complaining to me. .
He also asked where I had gotten the closer to my faxes (A nation which WILL not enforce its laws soon finds it has few it CAN enforce, and then it ceases to be a nation). He seemed surprised when I told him it was original. .
The PS Portion of my previous post is part of the email received, and not “my PS”.
About Hunter’s purchase of a fixer-upper, exactly how would you have handled the situation, kabar? I have fixed up many houses myself. Move on, nothing there, just magnified because of who he is.
About your contributions. I hope they’ve gone to worthy causes. I’ll gladly match my contributions with yours anytime, and I don’t mean just money, but many years of endless hours of volunteer work as well.
I wouldn’t worry about how Rep. Hunter handles any accusations if I were you.
Many of us parents try to raise our children as respecting our laws. What a horrible example to our children to see that those who break to laws are actually rewarded. Amnesty sets a harmful and demoralizing example.
Starting letter writing and phone calling today!!
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