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Giuliani losing steam in '08 presidential race
Christian Science Monitor ^ | May 18, 2007 | Linda Feldmann

Posted on 05/17/2007 1:13:46 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Washington - Just a month ago, Rudy Giuliani was riding high in polls of Republican voters for their party's 2008 presidential nomination. The former mayor of New York enjoyed near universal name recognition and a sterling reputation for leadership and decisiveness in the aftermath of 9/11.

And his liberal stands on divisive issues such as abortion? Maybe a new day had dawned, in which enough social conservative voters would put security concerns ahead of the culture wars to nominate a liberal Republican, some party activists had suggested. Others touted Mr. Giuliani's strength in the GOP field as a sign that theirs was a "big tent" party.

Now, the tide seems to be shifting. Giuliani's poll numbers have flattened noticeably in the past few weeks, following the first GOP debate early this month and the ensuing news coverage over his conflicted answer on abortion rights.

In the latest Cook Political Report/RT Strategies poll, Giuliani leads Sen. John McCain (R) of Arizona by just one point, 25 percent to 24 percent, down from a seven-point lead at the end of April. In the Gallup poll, Giuliani's lead over Senator McCain has shrunk from 14 points in early May to six points in mid-May.

"He's been on the ropes the last couple of weeks," says Amy Walter, an analyst at the nonpartisan Cook Political Report, who cites not just his liberal stand on abortion, but also his inability to explain himself clearly. "Giuliani's strongest asset is supposed to be this sense that … he projects strength and courage of conviction. Yet on the first question about a contentious issue, he seemed to be all over the place."

(Excerpt) Read more at csmonitor.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; elections; giuliani

1 posted on 05/17/2007 1:13:49 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Sweet


2 posted on 05/17/2007 1:18:09 PM PDT by wastedyears (I was opposed to Rudy in the mid 1990s when he took my fireworks away. I was but a little boy.)
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To: Jim Robinson

First NPR, now the Christian Science Monitor?


3 posted on 05/17/2007 1:18:40 PM PDT by twonie (RUDY FOR PRESIDENT '08. THERE - A COMMITMENT OUT LOUD.)
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To: Jim Robinson
"He's been on the ropes the last couple of weeks," says Amy Walter

I do not support Rudy, so please spare the onslaught. However, He looked strong in the debate the other night. Did his numbers improve after that?

4 posted on 05/17/2007 1:20:17 PM PDT by outofstyle (My Ride's Here)
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To: Jim Robinson
Maybe a new day had dawned, in which enough social conservative voters would put security concerns ahead of the culture wars to nominate a liberal Republican

I still don't think so. Whoever is chosen for the Republican nomination will need to be both tough on national security and a defender of the right to life.

Rudy's fundamental flaws: Conservatives see abortion as an underlying part of a cultural struggle. Rudy sees it as an issue to overcome. Conservatives see the traditional family as the building block of a culture. Rudy sees it as, well, optional.

5 posted on 05/17/2007 1:20:53 PM PDT by jr48154
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To: outofstyle

Rudy did do well in the debate, but usually only political junkies watch those things, so it’s impact isn’t going to be as much as that of a major issue.


6 posted on 05/17/2007 1:22:50 PM PDT by Baladas
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To: Jim Robinson
Folks I am getting more and more depressed about the 08 elections. I am not happy with any of the candidates. I have a sickening feeling that Hillary may get elected. I did not think this was possible a few months ago. But now I am not so sure. i realize the election is 18 months away but things are not going our way. Now the GOP has caved on the immigration issue and Bush is elated. God help us.
7 posted on 05/17/2007 1:23:09 PM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: Uncle Hal

Uncle Hal - I promise you - the GOP ship will right itself and we will field a great candidate for POTUS.

Take faith - we will rise and meet the challenges ahead.

I have zero doubt about that.

ZERO


8 posted on 05/17/2007 1:26:39 PM PDT by Jake The Goose
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To: Jim Robinson

Maybe it’s time to retire my tagline then...


9 posted on 05/17/2007 1:27:01 PM PDT by pgyanke (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO COMPROMISE YOUR PRINCIPLES ANYWAY... WHY WAIT?)
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To: Uncle Hal

...Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.(John 14:27)


10 posted on 05/17/2007 1:27:09 PM PDT by Vision ("Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord, whose confidence is in him." Jeremiah 17:7)
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To: Jim Robinson

Forget JulieAnnie...Lets hope Duncan Hunter moves ahead by word of mouth being that the lib press refuses to aknowledge him because he has no sensationalistic gimmick. He`s not a Marxist former co-President, a hair obsessed ambulance chaser, a guy with a terrorist sounding name nor a former comb over 911 whore...Let`s move him ahead solely by word of mouth. I think when people are made aware, he will get the recognition and ultimatey the votes he deserves.


11 posted on 05/17/2007 1:27:21 PM PDT by Screamname (The only reason time exists is so everything doesn`t happen all at once - Albert Einstein)
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To: Jim Robinson

New tagline...


12 posted on 05/17/2007 1:28:01 PM PDT by pgyanke (Duncan Hunter 08--To elect a conservative, you have to support a conservative!)
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To: pgyanke
Maybe it’s time to retire my tagline then...

Naw...keep it until the fork confirms he is done :>)

13 posted on 05/17/2007 1:29:11 PM PDT by beltfed308 (Rudy: When you absolutely,positively need a liberal for President.)
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To: Uncle Hal
I am not happy with any of the candidates.

Hang on another month. Fred is on the way.

14 posted on 05/17/2007 1:30:00 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: pgyanke

I like it better.

Always better to be positive than negative.


15 posted on 05/17/2007 1:30:10 PM PDT by Jake The Goose
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To: beltfed308

I thought I’d go from negative on Rudy to promoting the guy I want... like the new tagline?


16 posted on 05/17/2007 1:30:48 PM PDT by pgyanke (Duncan Hunter 08--To elect a conservative, you have to support a conservative!)
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To: Uncle Hal
I am not happy with any of the candidates

We've got good candidates, they just won't win because they haven't been annointed by the party.

17 posted on 05/17/2007 1:31:24 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic ■Št gehate, ■Št ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille fur­or gan)
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To: outofstyle
Rudy was quick to throw Ron Paul an anchor when he jumped overboard, but even in doing so, and his follow up afterwards about the Saudi prince, you realize that's all the ammo he's got.

He may have been the right mayor for the time, much as I feel Bush was the right president for the time.

Going forward, we need someone more conservative, one who can enunciate Conservatism clearly and comprehensively as a rock solid alternative to the debasement the liberals have brought to the table.

18 posted on 05/17/2007 1:31:28 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (Bush owns the war on terror, but the Dems/Media want to own another 'Nam style loss)
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To: Jake The Goose

Thank you.


19 posted on 05/17/2007 1:31:35 PM PDT by pgyanke (Duncan Hunter 08--To elect a conservative, you have to support a conservative!)
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To: Uncle Hal
2008 is going to be a tough year unless something changes dramatically for the better in Iraq. And the numbers look bad for us in the Senate, with few vulnerable Dem seats.

That said, the best thing we may have going is the Dem candidates. Hillary is extremely polarizing and puts off big chunks of her own base. Edwards is feckless. Obama - well, can you imagine an Illinois state senator is really qualified to be President? Most all the Republicans will look solid and experienced by comparison. It'll be tough, but it just could happen.

20 posted on 05/17/2007 1:31:41 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: pgyanke

Looks good. I’m a Hunter fan myself. Take care.


21 posted on 05/17/2007 1:33:14 PM PDT by beltfed308 (Rudy: When you absolutely,positively need a liberal for President.)
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To: jr48154
Rudy sees it as an issue to overcome.

You know the old saying, "When a Republican endorses free and easy abortion, a televangelist dies."

I think social conservatives just got a reminder why they don't want Rudy.

22 posted on 05/17/2007 1:36:55 PM PDT by hunter112
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To: Jake The Goose
"I promise you - the GOP ship will right itself.."

If I could only believe this.

What evidence do you see that they are even trying?

23 posted on 05/17/2007 1:40:11 PM PDT by Designer (growing weary of this already)
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To: Jim Robinson
Giuliani losing steam in '08 presidential race
Man, the good news just keeps rollin' in! - Thanks!
24 posted on 05/17/2007 1:40:14 PM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: Jake The Goose

“Uncle Hal - I promise you - the GOP ship will right itself and we will field a great candidate for POTUS.

Take faith - we will rise and meet the challenges ahead.

I have zero doubt about that.

ZERO”

Jake The Goose...I completely agree!


25 posted on 05/17/2007 1:43:59 PM PDT by jedward (Mission '08 - Take back the House & Senate. No Negotiations...No Prisoners.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I hear ol’ Rudy’s having a tough time moving ticket sales for an upcoming fundraising event in Virginia. A REAL tough time.

Couldn’t happen to a nicer liberal. (Who STILL might be okay as a Homeland Security Chieftan under President Thompson!).


26 posted on 05/17/2007 1:51:45 PM PDT by DangerDanger ("I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Designer
What evidence do you see that they are even trying?

FRED THOMPSON as one example. History as another.

27 posted on 05/17/2007 1:54:45 PM PDT by Jake The Goose
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To: DangerDanger

That’s odd - I heard that as of 1:00pm - the event was selling out quickly.

Have to check that out.

POTUS Thompson - not too shabby.

http://www.officialthompsonstore.com/OfficialThompsonStore/


28 posted on 05/17/2007 1:57:05 PM PDT by Jake The Goose
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To: Jim Robinson
The SS Rooty is taking water and sinking fast. So man the lifeboats rubybots. But remember; women, children, abortionists, gun-grabbers and gays go first.

I read a thread this a.m. where Rooty is only leading the unannounced Fred Thompson by a couple points (4 IIRC). The poll was taken the 15th and 16th AFTER the debate. So that hanging curve Ron Paul tossed didn't help.

But as to that debate I think Rooty's response was stoo-pid. To say he never heard of what Paul posited, means to me he's completely out of touch. The moonbats and 'pacifists' have been saying that for decades. Furthermore his 'mommy, mommy, make him take it back' whine was pathetic. Too boot he refused to answer Chris Wallace's direct question - twice. He wiggled, danced, and spun like a top but wouldn't answer it. So except for Ron Paul the KOOK, I think Rooty came in last edging out the terrorists lawyer, McInsane, for 9th with Hunter the winner.

Ergo, the day Fred Thompson announces Rooty is kaput. He can pack his trousseau and go home.

29 posted on 05/17/2007 2:00:03 PM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: DangerDanger

ISn’t Rudy a bit weak on the illegal immigration issue too?


30 posted on 05/17/2007 2:08:17 PM PDT by tflabo (Take authority that's ours)
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To: Jake The Goose
"FRED THOMPSON as one example. History as another."

(1) Even if Fred Thompson decides to run what makes you think the RNC is trying to recruit him? I see quite the opposite; RNC is currently trying to promote "Rudy McRomney" instead.

(2) The history I am looking at is apparently not what you are looking at, either; the RNC seems to be doing everything they can to alienate their own base.

So you're wrong.

If you want to be right, get the RNC to step up to the plate and be Republicans for a change.

Good luck with that.

31 posted on 05/17/2007 2:13:37 PM PDT by Designer (growing weary of this already)
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To: Jake The Goose

I heard this afternoon that the Rudyites are running ticket sales through the law firm former MD Liberal Republican Gov. Ehrlich signed up with because they were having a terrible time moving the tickets on the ground.

Rudy appointed Ehrlich, who was blown out after one term as Governor by Martin “Teflon Leprechaun” O’Malley, as his Mid Atlantic Coordinator. I don’t know what Rudy was thinking when he made that appointment, but it should make the more conservative and libertarian elements of the GOP rejoice. Like Rudy, Ehrlich proved to be nothing more than a big government, empty-suit, liberal Republican.

But, I digress...the issue at hand, how well Rudy’s moving fundraising tix, may be the subject of much misinformation at present - which would explain why we are hearing different takes on the same event.


32 posted on 05/17/2007 2:19:39 PM PDT by DangerDanger ("I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: tflabo

You’ve got a point, which is while I said Rudy STILL may (as opposed to WOULD) be a good choice as Homeland Security Chief. MAY be.

My top choice would probably be Tancredo.


33 posted on 05/17/2007 2:22:39 PM PDT by DangerDanger ("I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: DangerDanger

You are right there - never trust anything you hear in politics.

You certainly appear to be well connected.

Impressive pipeline.


34 posted on 05/17/2007 2:23:36 PM PDT by Jake The Goose
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To: Designer

WOW - gosh - I honestly don’t see a push for “Rudy McRomney”

I could be wrong.

I just find Fred Thompson so compelling as a possible unifying force for the GOP.

Hang in there.


35 posted on 05/17/2007 2:25:30 PM PDT by Jake The Goose
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To: Uncle Hal

Rush Limbaugh said there is an 80% probability that Hillary would be. That really depressed me. But I have not given up hoping for a better candidate to come forward.


36 posted on 05/17/2007 2:29:14 PM PDT by greeneyes
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To: Jake The Goose

“The GOP ship will right itself”

I pray that you are correct.


37 posted on 05/17/2007 2:31:23 PM PDT by greeneyes
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To: greeneyes

The GOP is the ultimate national-family - we fight like cats and dogs - hate each other, etc.

Until it’s time to take on the REAL opponent.

Then - with occasional lapses (Dole, Perot) we rally.

I honestly think we’ll blow the 08’ POTUS election out of the water.

I don’t think it will be close.


38 posted on 05/17/2007 2:34:27 PM PDT by Jake The Goose
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To: Jake The Goose

I really hope you are right. There are so many reasons why it is important. I am especially concerned about our military and the war on terror. We need someone like Reagan who can go to the people and mitigate all the Media Myths.

My generation’s war was Vietnam, and I just do not want to see the Media and Liberals manufacture another defeat out of what should be victory. So I am praying for our leaders and our troops.


39 posted on 05/17/2007 2:50:28 PM PDT by greeneyes
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To: Condor51

I read a thread this a.m. where Rooty is only leading the unannounced Fred Thompson by a couple points (4 IIRC). The poll was taken the 15th and 16th AFTER the debate. So that hanging curve Ron Paul tossed didn’t help.
***Here’s the latest InTrade results

http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/contractSearch/

Rudy has a 15 point lead as of today. He will be tough to bring down.

Contract Bid Ask Last Vol Chge
2008 Republican Pres Nominee(Others on Request)
2008.GOP.NOM.GIULIANI
Rudy Giuliani to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 28.0 29.9 30.0 85172 +2.0
2008.GOP.NOM.MCCAIN
John McCain to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 27.3 28.2 27.3 83283 -0.3
2008.GOP.NOM.ROMNEY
Gov Mitt Romney to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 18.0 18.2 17.9 65851 0
2008.GOP.NOM.THOMPSON(F)
Fred Thompson to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 14.4 14.7 14.4 16182 +0.5
2008.GOP.NOM.GINGRICH
Newt Gingrich to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 3.7 4.2 4.2 36040 +0.4
2008.GOP.NOM.HAGEL
Sen Chuck Hagel to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 2.8 2.9 2.7 32495 0
2008.GOP.NOM.HUCKABEE
Gov Mike Huckabee to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 2.2 2.3 2.3 36364 -0.0
2008.GOP.NOM.BLOMBERG
Michael Bloomberg to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 1.3 1.4 1.3 25737 0
2008.GOP.NOM.RICE
Condoleezza Rice to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 1.1 1.2 1.1 87162 0
2008.GOP.NOM.BROWNBCK
Sen. Sam Brownback to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 0.5 1.0 0.4 25453 0
2008.GOP.NOM.PAUL
Ron Paul to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 0.5 0.6 0.5 23449 0
2008.GOP.NOM.HUNTER
Duncan Hunter to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 0.1 0.2 0.1 20773 0
2008.GOP.NOM.CHENEY
VP Richard B Cheney to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 0.4 0.5 0.4 27592 0
2008.GOP.NOM.BUSH(J)
Gov Jeb Bush to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 0.3 0.4 0.3 34051 0
2008.GOP.NOM.THOMPSON(T)
Tommy Thompson to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 0.2 0.5 0.3 25317 0
2008.GOP.NOM.TANCREDO
Tom Tancredo to be the Rep Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 0.2 0.4 0.2 17126 0
2008.GOP.NOM.POWELL
Colin Powell to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M 0.1 0.4 0.1 23854 0
2008.GOP.NOM.SANTORUM
Rick Santorum to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M - 0.2 0.1 20091 0
2008.GOP.NOM.OWENS
Gov Bill Owens to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M - 0.2 0.1 20504 0
2008.GOP.NOM.GRAHAM
Lindsey Graham to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M - 0.2 0.1 15756 0
2008.GOP.NOM.ALLEN
George Allen to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M - 0.2 0.1 36997 0
2008.GOP.NOM.PAWLENTY
Tim Pawlenty to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M - 0.1 0.1 18878 0
2008.GOP.NOM.SANFORD
Mark Sanford to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M - 0.2 0.1 20034 0
2008.GOP.NOM.DOLE(E)
Elizabeth Dole to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M - 0.2 0.1 15961 0
2008.GOP.NOM.SCHWARZ
Gov Arnold Schwarzenegger to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M - 0.1 0.1 10885 0
2008.GOP.NOM.RIDGE
Tom Ridge to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M - 0.1 0.1 14625 0
2008.GOP.NOM.FRANKS
Retired General Tommy Franks to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M - 0.1 0.1 4314 0
2008.GOP.NOM.GILMORE
Jim Gilmore to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M - 0.2 0.1 13365 0
2008.GOP.NOM.WARNER
Senator John Warner to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M - 0.1 0.1 3432 0
2008.GOP.NOM.FRIST
Sen Bill Frist to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M - 0.2 0.1 24049 0
2008.GOP.NOM.PATAKI
Gov George Pataki to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M - 0.1 0.1 23535 0
2008.GOP.NOM.BARBOUR
Haley Barbour to be the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2008 M - 0.2 0.1 17441 0


40 posted on 05/17/2007 2:52:16 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: 4woodenboats

That focus on the Saudi prince is going to come back and bite him. It just emerged that one of his clients is Saudi Arabia.

So, we’re to believe that turning down a big check from a Saudi prince on behalf of the 9/11 families = tough on terror. But when the Saudi royalty are writing out a check with “Giuliani” on the payee line, apparently he’s eager to accept it.


41 posted on 05/18/2007 12:29:55 AM PDT by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: Kevmo

“Rudy has a 15 point lead as of today. He will be tough to bring down.”

Hey Kevmo. “bring down by” when?

Thanks for earlier ping. I think I can add one of those vidoes you had on one of the posts.


42 posted on 05/18/2007 12:47:49 AM PDT by jedward (Mission '08 - Take back the House & Senate. No Negotiations...No Prisoners.)
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To: Jake The Goose
Hang in there.

You too.

43 posted on 05/18/2007 5:35:29 AM PDT by Designer (growing weary of this already)
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To: DangerDanger
([Guiliani] STILL might be okay as a Homeland Security Chieftan under President Thompson!).

I don't think so -- for all of the hype over Guiliani and his supposed anti-terrorism (based on what record?) he sounds more suited for a role in an "early responder" area, not a "stop it before it happens in the first place" one.

44 posted on 05/18/2007 5:41:59 AM PDT by kevkrom ("Government is too important to leave up to the government" - Fred Dalton Thompsn)
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To: Jim Robinson

Do I hear taps?


45 posted on 05/18/2007 5:43:32 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Designer
RNC is currently trying to promote "Rudy McRomney" instead.

For now.

46 posted on 05/18/2007 5:46:51 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: DangerDanger; TommyDale; indylindy; calcowgirl
I hear ol’ Rudy’s having a tough time moving ticket sales for a fundraising event in Virginia. A REAL tough time

Tough time moving tickets in the South, no less? That's always a reliable sign a candidate is sinking.

Looks like Rooty's strategy to throw conservatives off the Repub Party lifeboat is sinking, too (/sarc).

Course Rooty's Campaign Spin Machine will weigh in any moment now---saying tix sales are fabulous (AFTER the campaign purchases most of them with straw buyers).

47 posted on 05/18/2007 5:58:13 AM PDT by Liz (Rudy Giuliani: Guinness World Record for Having The Most Positions on Abortion.)
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To: Liz; DangerDanger; indylindy; calcowgirl
"Course Rooty's Campaign Spin Machine will weigh in any moment now---saying tix sales are fabulous (AFTER the campaign purchases most of them with straw buyers)."

A tactic practiced by several famous 'authors' like Bill & Hillary Clinton, Rick Warren and others. Warehouses and churches full of books.

48 posted on 05/18/2007 6:01:16 AM PDT by TommyDale (More Americans are killed each day in the U.S. by abortion than were killed on 9/11 !)
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To: TommyDale

Yeah——U-Haul rentals to “best-selling” authors is a key marketing area.


49 posted on 05/18/2007 6:12:01 AM PDT by Liz (Rudy Giuliani: Guinness World Record for Having The Most Positions on Abortion.)
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To: jedward

Hey Kevmo. “bring down by” when?
***I would hope his campaign would be over by Tsunami Tuesday. His latest strategy appears to be to bypass the smaller, earlier primaries and spend his money on TV ads, grabbing the dumb republican vote and emerge as the front runner after that. It could lead to a messy or brokered convention.

It’s actually a reasonably strong strategy, one that would take candidates with a lot of name recognition to counter. And unfortunately, Duncan Hunter does not have that name recognition. So it’s a strategy that plays to rudy’s strength and Hunter’s weakness.


50 posted on 05/18/2007 12:23:54 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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