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The question after the election disaster of 2008 will be, which betrayal did in the GOP?
May 17, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 05/17/2007 3:07:01 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

  1. The war.
  2. Failure to secure the borders.
  3. Amnesty.
  4. McCain-Feingold.
  5. Big government.
  6. Big spending.
  7. Abortion.
  8. Gay marriage/gay agenda.
  9. Gun control.
  10. Failure to protect private property.
  11. Failure to abide by the constitution.
  12. Failure to enforce the law.
  13. Corruption.
  14. Too many RINOs.
  15. Lack of spine.
  16. Loss of testicles.
  17. Failure to run conservative candidates.
  18. Most of the above.
  19. All of the above.
  20. Other.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: abortion; amnesty; corruption; elections; gayagenda; illegalaliens; rinos; rkba
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To: Jim Robinson
If the 2008 election is a disater for the GOP. MHO it will be due to:

1. The war.

13. Corruption

17 Failure to run conservative candidates

20. Other

251 posted on 05/17/2007 5:13:22 PM PDT by TexKat ((Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.))
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To: Jim Robinson
All of the above and then some...

The Republicans in power deserve to lose. In far too many ways they have become like the Democrats. The sad part is they pull down the country with their fall. We all suffer for their incompetence.

252 posted on 05/17/2007 5:13:55 PM PDT by johnpannell
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To: Jim Robinson

The Bushbot scapegoat for the disaster of 2006 is the mythical “all or nothing conservative who stayed home”. I see no reason why this would not work in 2008 as well.


253 posted on 05/17/2007 5:16:28 PM PDT by CGTRWK
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To: COgamer

the supreme court is the prize. without it, there will never be an advance of conservative ideals. Those old lib codgers cannot hold out much longer. If the libs hold the senate and presidency then the battle is lost for at least a decade.


254 posted on 05/17/2007 5:16:54 PM PDT by joe fonebone (Nothin' from Nothin' leaves Nothin')
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To: Gumdrop
I am with you 110%! FR depresses the hell out of me lately.

If we can find a way to unite behind our common goals, we can beat satan once again.

The following (next) paragraph is pulled from the speech made by Patton to the troops... given to the Third Army on June 5th, 1944, the eve of the Allied invasion of France... operation code-named “Overlord”.. I think every single person that reads on FR should read it and remember the America that makes us teary-eyed. We should all remember every American hero that died on some flea-infested sand hell somewhere in the Pacific or endured the coldest of European winters, while fighting against a desperate and dangerous German machine. An humbling number of Countrymen have given everything, so that we can live the dream they so wanted to endure.

“Men, this stuff that some sources sling around about America wanting out of this war, not wanting to fight, is a crock of bullshit. Americans love to fight, traditionally. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle.

You are here today for three reasons. First, because you are here to defend your homes and your loved ones. Second, you are here for your own self respect, because you would not want to be anywhere else. Third, you are here because you are real men and all real men like to fight. When you, here, everyone of you, were kids, you all admired the champion marble player, the fastest runner, the toughest boxer, the big league ball players, and the All-American football players. Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser. Americans despise cowards. Americans play to win all of the time. I wouldn’t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That’s why Americans have never lost nor will ever lose a war; for the very idea of losing is hateful to an American.”

George Patton

I remember when that traitor jimmah catah was president. I remember the only truly profitable business at the time was the Bar business. People were drinking to forget the hell of working and trying to pay bills. That ******* actually said that, “The best days of America are behind us”. He was bracing America to come to terms with Americans having to live without many of the customs that make up societal norms. We would never again be “The Land of Plenty”!

Reagan reminded America who she was and where she came from. He reminded us of our Greatness, Compassion and Fortitude. He believed in America; he loved America; and when challenged by the “doom and gloom” dims, Independents, and Republican malcontents as to America’s future... he smiled, shook his head and said, “You ain’t seen nuttn’ yet”!

LLS

255 posted on 05/17/2007 5:20:09 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: Jim Robinson

AMNESTY is the final straw.

Between Bush and the Congress they did it to themselves.


256 posted on 05/17/2007 5:22:16 PM PDT by Tarpon
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To: Jim Robinson

>2 Failure to secure the borders.
>3 Amnesty.
>6 Big spending.

2 and 3 with 6 trailing far behind.


257 posted on 05/17/2007 5:24:05 PM PDT by Hop A Long Cassidy
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To: Jim Robinson

all of the above. I will not vote for any of the current candidates.


258 posted on 05/17/2007 5:26:53 PM PDT by rpellegrini
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To: NVDave
We will never know the true story of the Harriet Miers nomination. I happen to think that Bush has a lot more political savvy that most people give him credit for. John Roberts was apparently his first choice for Supreme Court Justice since he was his first nominee. Besides, we did not get Harriet Miers, we got Sam Alito who we might not have gotten had he not tried a woman first.

You have obviously forgotten all of the OUTSTANDING appeals court judges nominated by GWB that the obstructionist Democrats refused to allow to come to a vote. Miguel Estrada is the most well known, but Terrence Boyle from my home state of NC is the one I am most upset about. The refusal of the Dems to allow him to come to a vote was payback for something that happened while Jesse Helms was still the Senator from NC. The Republicans are not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but the Democrats are willing to ruin the lives of others simply to make a political point.
259 posted on 05/17/2007 5:27:22 PM PDT by srmorton (Choose Life!)
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To: SuziQ

Just take your pitiful little excuses, and go away! Fact is, you live in Massachusetts, and you damned sure ain’t living there because freedom is an important issue in your life! Hell, I really hope you get really wealthy from compromising your butt, just in time for Hilary to come along,and tax your ASS into bankruptcy!
Hell, if you are really so impoverished that you can’t afford a Greyhound ticket out of Massachusetts, just let me know!


260 posted on 05/17/2007 5:28:45 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: SuziQ

Well, here’s a drop-dead cinch of a fact:

The problems that have been building up for 25 years, as you accurately point out, won’t be solved by making them worse.

And that is exactly what this legislation will do: make our problems worse.

What too many politicians seem to forget is rule #1 of problem solving:

“When you find yourself in a hole you didn’t want, the first thing you should do is stop digging.”

The GOP legislators, however, confuse “action” with “solutions.” Sometimes, any and all action serves to do nothing but make a bad problem worse, and inaction is better than action.


261 posted on 05/17/2007 5:29:35 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: Jim Robinson
btt

I didn't sign on to any suicide pact.

STOP AMNESTY NOW!! WE CAN DO IT!!

262 posted on 05/17/2007 5:30:36 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Rightfootforward

“Not prudent at this time,” folks. Not prudent at all”.


Screw “prudent”, the time to fight has come!


263 posted on 05/17/2007 5:32:15 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: srmorton

I’ve been burned so badly (third degree, flames crackling off my backside) by supporting Bush SCOTUS nominations/confirmations that before I brag on ANYONE that a politician named “Bush” has put up on a bench, I’m going to wait a few years and see what said jurist’s track record turns out to really be.

Want to know what makes me say that? I got one word for ya, brother:

“Souter.”


264 posted on 05/17/2007 5:33:24 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: Jim Robinson

20. Other...The GOP is not conservative, period. On with Hillary. It is either a rocket or a bullet train to socialism. It’s your choice. One takes a little longer than the other.

Find an alternative.


265 posted on 05/17/2007 5:35:36 PM PDT by gathersnomoss
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To: Jim Robinson

Most of the above.


266 posted on 05/17/2007 5:39:19 PM PDT by Grunthor ( If you're going to call Islam a religion can we now call Auschwitz a theme park?)
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To: pissant

“Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo and a fist full of conservatives may scuttle this turd.”

If they do, I believe that Hunter immediately jumps to at least second in all the early states.


267 posted on 05/17/2007 5:42:04 PM PDT by Grunthor ( If you're going to call Islam a religion can we now call Auschwitz a theme park?)
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To: Jim Robinson

#19 less #1- The perfect setup for a party at death’s door...


268 posted on 05/17/2007 5:42:04 PM PDT by TADSLOS (W.T. Sherman had it right.)
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To: Jim Robinson

(Although covered more or less by #15 & #16)—

20. The “New Tone in Washington”.


269 posted on 05/17/2007 5:42:36 PM PDT by Zman516 (socialists, muslims & Mormon-haters -- satan's useful idiots.)
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To: rpellegrini
"I will not vote for any of the current candidates."

Even as angry and cynical as I feel today, I won't go THAT far! I'm selecting the most consistent, considerate conservative among them and am planning to vote for Duncan Hunter unless Fred Thompson proves to be more electable. I still prefer not to elect someone just based on celebrity after the debacle of Arnoiled Schwartzenrenegger here in CA!!!

270 posted on 05/17/2007 5:45:55 PM PDT by SierraWasp (CA!!! Are you ready to rumble *??? Or are ya just gonna mumble and grumble??? (*aka "Recall"))
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To: Zman516
"20. The “New Tone in Washington”."

THAT's IT!!!

271 posted on 05/17/2007 5:48:00 PM PDT by SierraWasp (CA!!! Are you ready to rumble *??? Or are ya just gonna mumble and grumble??? (*aka "Recall"))
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To: Grunthor

You won’t even need to send him a note to encourage him to do so. It’s part of his DNA.


272 posted on 05/17/2007 5:53:42 PM PDT by pissant
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To: Jim Robinson

If there was ever a time for a new party, an American party, this is it.


273 posted on 05/17/2007 5:55:34 PM PDT by Colorado Buckeye (It's the culture stupid!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Although I supported him in both presidential elections. George W. Bush has been a big disappointment and he will be largely responsible for the demise of the GOP. He has surrounded himself with incompetent people ie, Gonzalez, Miers, Powell, Rice et. al. He has allowed the RATS and media to constantly defame and ridicule him without ever fighting back. He has failed to protect the borders and is now supporting amnesty for illegals. He had an opportunity to veto McCain Feingold and sat on his hands. He came to the presidency to set a new tone...he should have replaced all US Attorneys (as Clinton did), he should have brought in his own CIA Director and he should have cleaned out all the Clintonites in the government. Unfortunately, the fact that no new terrorist attacks have taken place on our soil and the fact that the economy is rolling will probably go unnoticed in his legacy.


274 posted on 05/17/2007 6:00:35 PM PDT by KenmcG414
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To: Jim Robinson

Yep, all of the above.


275 posted on 05/17/2007 6:05:04 PM PDT by hope
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To: Jim Robinson

You left out Sarbanes-Oxley and the DMCA.


276 posted on 05/17/2007 6:06:34 PM PDT by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet)
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To: Jim Robinson; NRA2BFree; Coop

Your post #234 hits more nails on the head than a pneumatic roofing hammer.

God help us.

We must pray like it’s up to God—and WORK like it’s up to us.

In fact, IT IS.


277 posted on 05/17/2007 6:13:13 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’ll take “Most of the above” for $200, Alex. And the question is “What other party can win enough elections to control the government?”


278 posted on 05/17/2007 6:17:23 PM PDT by sourcery (Democrat: n. 1. Quiche-eating surrender donkey.)
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To: Enterprise

“Failure to secure the borders/amnesty will be the ultimate downfall of the GOP,”

I agree. The millions of illegal immagrants who get to vote will cerainly vote for DEMS!


279 posted on 05/17/2007 6:21:48 PM PDT by seekthetruth
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To: SuziQ
Did any of the 'immigration warriors' expect anything different when they stayed home from the polls in 2006 and allowed so many Repubs. to lose to a Democrat, when they knew the Democrat party is so hot to trot for amnesty? Did they expect the remaining Repubs. to have any sort of spine on the issue when they figured the voters wouldn't support them anyway?

Suzi I believe you miss the entire point the border issue should have been resolved on Sept. 12 2001 with the border patrol being supplemented by our armed forces on the border. INS should of been instructed to locate all illegals and deport them and if the official is to lazy to do his job you can him!. The Repubs had a chance when they had Congress and the Presidency. They had no interest but to betray the American People. By the way, You need to eliminate staff in DC also. Ravenstar
280 posted on 05/17/2007 6:21:49 PM PDT by Ravenstar (Reinstitute the Constitution as the Ultimate Law of the Land)
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To: Jim Robinson
Failure to secure the borders, and amnesty. That can, has and will lead to a variety of other problems. Americans being robbed, raped and murdered. Disease and terrorists walking across the border. Americans getting sick from produce and meat coming in from 3rd world countries! To name a quick few off the top of my head.
281 posted on 05/17/2007 6:23:59 PM PDT by NRA2BFree ("The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves!")
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To: Jim Robinson
19.All of the above.

That's why this little girl is now Speaker. (I'll let her slide on the testicle question)


282 posted on 05/17/2007 6:36:56 PM PDT by Bars4Bill
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To: Jim Robinson
#19

If this goes through, then I'm done with the GOP.

283 posted on 05/17/2007 6:58:05 PM PDT by TUAN_JIM (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Jim Robinson

It’s 18, with heavy emphasis on 2, 3, 12, 15, and 16. It won’t be the war that will hurt the GOP with its base. Maybe the way the war has not been properly explained often enough to Americans.

But it will be the illegal immigration invasion and the castrati Republicans in power that will do US in as a party. Hillary must be lovin’ it.


284 posted on 05/17/2007 7:02:39 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Jim Robinson

All of the above, plus gas prices. Too bad Buchannan got tarred and feathered with lies and innuendo. He’s probably the best bet at this point to turn things around.


285 posted on 05/17/2007 7:03:43 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Head Caterer for the FIRM)
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To: SittinYonder

and hillary will be ready to pass back the crown to jeb... bush,clinton, bush, clinton, bush’... this is not a good pattern.


286 posted on 05/17/2007 7:06:20 PM PDT by Pantera
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To: Jim Robinson

I agree that the GOP needs a broad boot to the butt, but I fear that this constant drumbeat of negativity will only lead to what we had in 1992, unless we can rally around a really STRONG candidate who will then carry Congressional candidates along on his coat-tails. The only one I see with the ability to do that is Fred Thompson. I just hope that, by the time he announces, conservatives haven’t worked themselves into such an anti-GOP frenzy that they will be unwilling to give him a chance.


287 posted on 05/17/2007 7:12:13 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Whatever.


288 posted on 05/17/2007 7:13:51 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Ravenstar
the border issue should have been resolved on Sept. 12 2001

I believe the President had a bit much on his plate at the time. Again, the problem wasn't created since George W. Bush took office, and it won't be resolved before he leaves. It is completely wrong to pin the problem on him, or even this group of GOP lawmakers. Yes, while they were in the majority, they could have done something, but getting rid of the ones who did want to do something about it certainly didn't help matters in any way.

289 posted on 05/17/2007 7:17:03 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Jim Robinson; onyx

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290 posted on 05/17/2007 7:17:22 PM PDT by GitmoSailor (Cold War Vet==Is it Bush's fault Yet??...)
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To: Jim Robinson

All of the above, Jim. But more precisely, the one and a half party system of deals and compromises, and RINOS and DINOS, and no one forced to stand on principle in either party.

I’ll repeat the story of this example that happened while I was visiting a European country last year. Never mind which (it wasn’t France.) A party member, who was a deputy in the parliament, was kicked out of the party for not toeing the line. The party lost a vote in the parliament until the next election, and risked losing a seat in that election. Imagine that happening here.

Coalitions are to be formed within the legislative bodies, not within the political parties. Both of our parties can and will tolerate card carrying Communists and Fascists, as principles don’t matter, as a principle of our, best in all possible worlds, political system.

‘Nuff said!


291 posted on 05/17/2007 7:22:59 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: Jim Robinson
Wake up, SuziQ. The GOP has failed and is failing to do something about the situation, and, in fact, is now taking a hard left turn. The GOP is quickly becoming part of the problem, not the solution.

And where was this voice of yours when plenty of us were saying this four years ago and you got pissed off about it?

292 posted on 05/17/2007 7:26:13 PM PDT by ShadowDancer ("To succeed in life, you need three things: a wishbone, a backbone and a funny bone.")
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To: Bars4Bill

The pelosi crime syndicate.
Nancy “the rat” pelosi and her father Jimmy “the
weasel” pelosi


293 posted on 05/17/2007 7:28:05 PM PDT by winodog (We are being set up for bubba and the beast, part two.)
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To: Jim Robinson
All of the above.

The Pubbies have managed to step in pretty much every pile in the pasture.

294 posted on 05/17/2007 7:29:57 PM PDT by TigersEye (Holding on to hope binds you to worldly concerns.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Looking at your list, the most glaring thing I notice is that nothing you posted there except the war would bother country club republicans which IMO, have become the core of the party.


295 posted on 05/17/2007 7:37:54 PM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: Jim Robinson
Your #234 is how the cow ate the cabbage!

The current occupant of the White House doesn't have a pair though and it doesn't look like there are any real bulls in the holding pens.

296 posted on 05/17/2007 7:39:18 PM PDT by TigersEye (Holding on to hope binds you to worldly concerns.)
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To: SuziQ
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Enforce the laws as written, no matter what past administrations have done.
297 posted on 05/17/2007 7:39:50 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3
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To: Jim Robinson

Under #20 (Other) I would include:

Covering up for a faggot pedophile.


298 posted on 05/17/2007 7:41:18 PM PDT by no dems (Michele Malkin: She's Ann Coulter with class.)
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To: Jim Robinson
The question after the election disaster of 2008 will be, which betrayal did in the GOP?

21. Quitters.

299 posted on 05/17/2007 7:42:44 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat (Giuliani-Steele 08.)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

22. Runners of liberal abortionists.


300 posted on 05/17/2007 7:47:08 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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