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The animosity was earned, Mark. (Barf Alert)
Macsmind ^ | 5-18-2007 | Harold C. Hutchinson (former freeper hchutch)

Posted on 05/22/2007 11:00:39 AM PDT by jmc813

Mark Levin’s opening comment, quoted by K-Lo, deserves a response.

He seems to be upset that there might be some animosity aimed at conservatives. Well, Mark, it’s earned animosity. And if he ever bothers to read this, maybe he might understand the animosity a little.

You see, Mr. Levin, it starts out with a clear reading of election returns. After a hard line was taken on immigration by House Republicans, we lost the House, largely due to independent voters, moderates, and Hispanics not voting for Republican candidates. As a result, we are dealing with Speaker Pelosi, who has not only endeavored to re-enact the Fairness Doctrine, but has also tried to weaken the motion to recommit, and who is also slow-walking funds that our troops in harm’s way need to carry the Iraqi campaign of the global war on terror to victory.

The short version, you failed, and to paraphrase Ernst Stavro Blofeld in You Only Live Twice, “This profession [politics] does not tolerate failure.” Yet you seem to be demanding that the GOP continue to pursue a course that led to disaster. The signs were obvious. In an attempt to purge Chris Cannon, the challenger netted 44.2% - and lost. In Arizona’s 8th district, Randy Graf won, but with only 42.2% of the vote - the win came because two moderates split the vote. Not being able to break 45% in two primaries, one of them in one of the most conservative districts in the country should have been a warning, Mark. You did not heed it.

But that is not the only reason there’s animosity, Mark. Something else is causing it: The rhetoric that has been aimed at those of us who support comprehensive immigration reform from your side of this issue. Not just Tom Tancredo claiming we are selling out America. It’s the insinuations of treason, Mark. It’s being accused of being an “agent of Mexico“. It’s being called a Quisling.

Now, I can handle a disagreement, Mark. But calling me a traitor crosses a big line. I’m not inclined to forgive that quickly. Forgetting is also very difficult. In fact, quite frankly, it is something I’m inclined to go to the mat over.

If you want the animosity gone, Mark - start calling out the rhetoric of those folks. Keep your side civil, and maybe I won’t feel so uncharitable over this disagreement. My co-blogger and I had a strong disagreement recently. I discussed that disagreement and how it stayed civil. Maybe Mark can pick up a few pointers about how to debate from that exchange.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
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This guy used to be one of FR's token liberals.
1 posted on 05/22/2007 11:00:41 AM PDT by jmc813
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To: holdonnow

ping


2 posted on 05/22/2007 11:00:56 AM PDT by jmc813 (The 2nd Amendment is NOT a "social conservative" issue.)
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To: jmc813
Keep your side civil..

I have now heard IT ALL.

3 posted on 05/22/2007 11:05:08 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Puppage
Keep your side civil..

I have now heard IT ALL.

No kidding. This dude ran with the crowd that made fun of people citing the Constitution in their posts. They'd mock us a citing the "Constimatooshin" as if we were backwards yokels for *gasp* opposing gun laws, for instance. Luckily, the Schiavo affair was the enema that got rid of that crowd.

4 posted on 05/22/2007 11:07:38 AM PDT by jmc813 (The 2nd Amendment is NOT a "social conservative" issue.)
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To: jmc813

The real reason the GOP lost Congress was not due to supporting Americans over illegals, but, a myriad of other issues.

In fact, the GOPs (esp the Senate) lack of resolve in suppoorting Americans over illegals cost them votes...not vice versa. Ask former GOP rep JD Hayworth.

As for Levin, his comments are spot on. It is TREASON to support the rights of illegal aliens over those of American citizens. We do not value the rights of illegals over Americans.

However, I do wish Levin would stop mocking the pro-American GOP presidential candidates and supporting the pro-illegal candidiates. He is right on the issue, but wrong on the support


5 posted on 05/22/2007 11:07:43 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (Republicans: Democrats With Jobs)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
However, I do wish Levin would stop mocking the pro-American GOP presidential candidates and supporting the pro-illegal candidiates. He is right on the issue, but wrong on the support

Who has Mark been mocking?

6 posted on 05/22/2007 11:08:24 AM PDT by jmc813 (The 2nd Amendment is NOT a "social conservative" issue.)
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To: jmc813

Get off the internet you moron!!!!!


7 posted on 05/22/2007 11:08:26 AM PDT by common denominator
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To: jmc813

Ol’ Hutch here better watch out here, or he might just get a bigger piece of Mark than he’s bargaining for.


8 posted on 05/22/2007 11:10:56 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: jmc813

Anyone who takes on Mark Levin needs a lot of help, which he is probably not going to get here.


9 posted on 05/22/2007 11:11:37 AM PDT by twonie ( watch this space)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Ol’ Hutch here better watch out here, or he might just get a bigger piece of Mark than he’s bargaining for.

He sounds like yet another former freeper who adheres to the "boots on our necks" viewpoint towards conservatives.

11 posted on 05/22/2007 11:13:23 AM PDT by dirtboy (A store clerk has done more to fight the WOT than Rudy.)
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To: jmc813

It’s too bad that libs can’t seem to comply with the rules on FR long enough to stay around for any time.

I used to have fun just bashin’ the heck out of libs on the Yahoo boards, but those are shut down now.

Where can one go that allows some good ol’ fashioned lib-bashin’?


12 posted on 05/22/2007 11:16:28 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: HonestConservative; Fudd Fan

Your ping list might find this amusing.


13 posted on 05/22/2007 11:16:56 AM PDT by jmc813 (The 2nd Amendment is NOT a "social conservative" issue.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Ol’ Hutch here better watch out here, or he might just get a bigger piece of Mark than he’s bargaining for.

Before taking a stick and poking the lion through the cage bars, always make sure the cage door is securely locked.

14 posted on 05/22/2007 11:19:18 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Parker v. DC: the best court decision of the year.)
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To: jmc813; holdonnow; MarkLevinFan; AliVeritas; All

“Who has Mark been mocking?”

Mark hasn’t been mocking any of the candidates.

The Paulists and the Tancredo supporters both get pissy with Mark because he’s not supporting both of them 100%

He’s made it VERY clear that he’s not for or against any of the current Republican candidates.

What Mark does make fun of are the people that call in expressly to say “Mark how can you NOT support (insert Paul/Tancredo)...why are you sucking up to these RINO’s?”


15 posted on 05/22/2007 11:25:35 AM PDT by txradioguy (In Memory Of My Friend 1SG Tim Millsap A Co. 70th Engineer Bn. K.I.A. 25 Apr. 2005)
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To: jmc813
What a load of bilge. You want to know why the GOP lost last November, you panty-waist? They lost because the did nothing they were elected to do. They spent like Democrats. They pandered like Democrats. They let the minority party control the debates. They collaborated with the Democrats on legislation. They assaulted our basic liberties (CFR). They pissed and moaned about the border and then, rather than enforce basic existing laws of sovereignty, passed an eleventh-hour fence bill that no one expected to be built... and we were right!

They didn't lose because they took a tough stance on the border, they lost because they took a too-little, too-late position on everything--including the border! They lost because they governed as Democrat-lite! They lost because their base didn't see any difference in their choices.

Note to GOP candidates: When you get elected to do something... DO IT!

16 posted on 05/22/2007 11:28:53 AM PDT by pgyanke (Duncan Hunter 08--You want to elect a conservative? Then support a conservative!)
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To: jmc813
But calling me a traitor crosses a big line.

When did Mark call him a traitor?

17 posted on 05/22/2007 11:32:39 AM PDT by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Why would or should Mark care what some small fish in his own small pond says?

If Mark responds all he’ll be doing is promoting an unknown blogger (which is all the blogger really wants, free advertising)


18 posted on 05/22/2007 11:35:01 AM PDT by Hazcat (Live to party, work to afford it.)
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To: Hazcat

Good point.


19 posted on 05/22/2007 11:38:32 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: jmc813
If you want the animosity gone, Mark - start calling out the rhetoric of those folks. Keep your side civil, and maybe I won’t feel so uncharitable over this disagreement.

And lie back and think of England...

20 posted on 05/22/2007 11:44:15 AM PDT by gridlock (How often must environmentalism have negative consequences before we stop calling them unintended?)
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To: jmc813

Even if this guy is right about why the Republicans lost, he’s still wrong. He’s thinking like a ‘Rat, who thinks everything is about holding onto power in Washington. These types think it is OK to sell out their constituents and the entire rest of the country in order to hold onto their seats.


21 posted on 05/22/2007 11:46:50 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte
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To: jmc813
Keep your side civil, and maybe I won’t feel so uncharitable over this disagreement.

I'm sure this opinion is mission-critical to Mark and the show.

22 posted on 05/22/2007 11:46:57 AM PDT by IslandJeff
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To: jmc813
Keep your side civil, and maybe I won’t feel so uncharitable over this disagreement.

If you struggle, it's only going to hurt more...

23 posted on 05/22/2007 11:57:35 AM PDT by gridlock (How often must environmentalism have negative consequences before we stop calling them unintended?)
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To: jmc813; holdonnow

Civil. He wants civil discourse, does he?

Well now. Let’s examine where civil discourse has brought us to, regarding ILLEGAL immigration.

It’s brought us years of broken promises, laws deliberately not upheld and thousands of people illegally crossing our borders. This- in a post 9/11 world is appalling, and decidedly uncivilized.

Civil discourse is a good way to discuss ideas as you lead up to conclusions, compromises and debates. It’s wise to do this well in advance of an attempt to cram a piece of legislation down the halls of congress, that’s been drawn up in secret with a handful of senators who are hoping to bypass full hearings.

So. I submit if we’d stayed civil these last 5 days, we might well be watching the Senate vote on the bill itself before Memorial Day.

Instead... We’ve hollered and cursed and shouted and yelled. We’ve been...”uncivil” to our opponents.

Thank God.


24 posted on 05/22/2007 12:05:58 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet -Fred'08)
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To: jmc813
After a hard line was taken on immigration by House Republicans, we lost the House, largely due to independent voters, moderates, and Hispanics not voting for Republican candidates.

I am tired of hearing this argument from open borders "Republicans." If the only way to make sure Hispanics vote Republican (as they never have heretofore) is to bend and break our immigration laws for them, how come blacks don't vote Republican? Didn't a Republican Administration free the slaves? If giving a voting bloc freedom to obey the law is no guarantee of political support, how can giving another voting bloc freedom to ignore the law guarantee support? How can a breach of faith with America's citizens be the basis for a relationship of trust and support with non-citizens?

25 posted on 05/22/2007 12:15:34 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("...stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you..." -Deut. 21:21)
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To: pgyanke
They didn't lose because they took a tough stance on the border, they lost because they took a too-little, too-late position on everything--including the border! They lost because they governed as Democrat-lite! They lost because their base didn't see any difference in their choices.

Note to GOP candidates: When you get elected to do something... DO IT!

Damn skippy!

26 posted on 05/22/2007 12:17:35 PM PDT by EricT. (The tree of liberty needs to be watered...)
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To: jmc813; jmyrlefuller

what a fool. If he had any ah, gumption, yeah, gumption, he’d call Mark’s show and try throwing that at the fan.

Good luck with that.

Thanks for the ping. jmryle will be hosting this evening. He may be interested.


27 posted on 05/22/2007 12:40:48 PM PDT by HonestConservative (just a racist xenophobe with a dream)
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To: jmc813

No one. He’s not nutz about McCain.


28 posted on 05/22/2007 12:41:55 PM PDT by HonestConservative (just a racist xenophobe with a dream)
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To: MrB

Go to Control Congress.com

Absolutely no supervision and loaded with lefties.


29 posted on 05/22/2007 12:43:29 PM PDT by HonestConservative (just a racist xenophobe with a dream)
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To: EricT.

Amen, EricT. Exactly right.


30 posted on 05/22/2007 12:45:38 PM PDT by HonestConservative (just a racist xenophobe with a dream)
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To: jmc813

He needs to get over himself.


31 posted on 05/22/2007 1:25:44 PM PDT by gogeo (Democrats want to support the troops without actually being helpful to them.)
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To: pgyanke
What a load of bilge. You want to know why the GOP lost last November, you panty-waist?

I think they lost because of the so-called "new tone."

32 posted on 05/22/2007 1:28:01 PM PDT by gogeo (Democrats want to support the troops without actually being helpful to them.)
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To: gogeo
I think they lost because of the so-called "new tone."

Fundamentally, I agree. If you won't challenge your opposition and stand up for your own agenda... no one will.

33 posted on 05/22/2007 1:36:45 PM PDT by pgyanke (Duncan Hunter 08--You want to elect a conservative? Then support a conservative!)
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To: jmc813
It’s being called a Quisling.

That is an insult to Quisling. Quisling probably wouldn't have cooperated with the Nazis if he believed their goal was the exterminate the Norwegian people and culture. That IS the goal of the open borders crowd.

People who want to erase the national borders are traitors, period.

Know-nothings, restrictionists, isolationists, Nazis, racists and xenophobes are just a few of the charming names thrown about by the open borders crowd.

34 posted on 05/22/2007 2:15:03 PM PDT by jordan8
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To: jmc813

Wow, he quotes and admires Blofeld. A fictional character.

Good grief. Barf is right.


35 posted on 05/22/2007 7:44:31 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (Armed men are citizens, unarmed men subjects. Gun control is about CONTROL.)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

Mark does not support anyone who is “pro-illegal.” At all.


36 posted on 05/22/2007 7:45:57 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (Armed men are citizens, unarmed men subjects. Gun control is about CONTROL.)
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To: jmc813
This guy used to be one of FR's token liberals.

Appropriate. Since he's dead wrong. Again.

37 posted on 05/22/2007 7:46:49 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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