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Bush: Immigration Bill 'Does NOT Grant Amnesty'
newsmax.com ^ | May 24, 2007 | newsmax

Posted on 05/25/2007 5:51:00 AM PDT by VU4G10

WASHINGTON -- The Bush administration and key congressional Democrats and Republicans stepped up their efforts to sell a broad immigration compromise Thursday as lawmakers braced for a public backlash at home.

"Many Americans are rightly skeptical about immigration reform," President Bush said in a Rose Garden news conference. "This bill provides the best chance to reform our immigration system and help us make certain we know who's in our country and where they are."

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TOPICS: Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; deafrino; georgewbush; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; shamnesty; taxcrimes; taxes; treason
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To: VU4G10

“Read my lips, NO NEW TAXES.”

1992 redux.

That sound you hear is the National Democrats popping champaign corks.


51 posted on 05/25/2007 6:20:13 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: alicewonders

You are so right. I keep hearing how people are going to take out Senator Graham in the next election and I practically laugh out of my seat because I don’t think they realize how difficult it is to do unless you want a Democrat in there.


52 posted on 05/25/2007 6:20:51 AM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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To: napscoordinator

It doesn’t grant amnesty, but immediately allows lawbreakers to stay in the country.


53 posted on 05/25/2007 6:22:09 AM PDT by umgud ("When seconds count, the police are just 10 minutes away!")
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To: Little Ray
Everything else can go on table once the borders are secure.

I agree with this and the admin should understand that nothing will work until the borders are secure. However, tax amnesty is a deal breaker too.

54 posted on 05/25/2007 6:24:02 AM PDT by Principled
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To: umgud

Oh I know. I just can’t believe two Republican Presidents in the history of the U.S. are bringing this up. In 1986 it was President Reagan and now President Bush....Makes you wonder about those eight year terms...if we had one six year term both President Reagan and Bush would not be able to do this. Makes ya go hum...


55 posted on 05/25/2007 6:25:18 AM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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To: kittymyrib

The American people have found they can no longer trust either the President or any of their congress critters.


56 posted on 05/25/2007 6:25:23 AM PDT by newcthem (George Bush.......Making America Safer............FOR MEXICAN CRIMINALS!)
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To: VU4G10
Whole lot of quacking we are hearing from our Lame Duck Pres. On this subject, it's all BS. Like Lincoln said, "...you can't fool all of the people all of the time". Nobody's fooled on this one. Well, maybe a few. Sad.
57 posted on 05/25/2007 6:25:28 AM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: longtermmemmory
(perhaps we should mail the congress critters and white house 30 dimes for the 30 pieces of silver)

I have thirty silver coins that I will donate.

58 posted on 05/25/2007 6:25:35 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: grey_whiskers

Perfect.


59 posted on 05/25/2007 6:27:30 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Joe Boucher

“What is wrong with our presidents.”

They only pay attention to us when they run for office.

“One doesn’t know the meaning of “is”.
Another can’t see a pig in a poke to save his reputation.”

Teddy Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenberg, Ronald Reagan and perhaps Harry Truman were the only great Presidents in the 20th Century up to the present. They had their faults - no one is perfect. But their hearts and minds were in the right place - which is NOT what you can say for the rest of of them, including the current incumbent.


60 posted on 05/25/2007 6:28:54 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: newcthem; All

Check out this web site, heard the site owner on KFI640am last night:

http://outragedpatriots.com/


61 posted on 05/25/2007 6:29:17 AM PDT by msnpatriot
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To: Just another Joe
I have sent mine a head of lettuce, since he and his counterparts believe that we need 20 million Mexican Criminals in this country to make sure we have produce, maybe sending him his head of lettuce will at least delay this bill for a week.
62 posted on 05/25/2007 6:29:17 AM PDT by newcthem (George Bush.......Making America Safer............FOR MEXICAN CRIMINALS!)
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To: VU4G10
Bush: "This bill provides the best chance to reform our immigration system and help us make certain we know who's in our country and where they are."

Translation: Who are you going to believe? Me or your lying eyes?

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The Bush Administration -- including George W. Bush, Michael Chertoff, Tony Snow, Alberto Gonzales -- and much of the U.S. Senate have no credibility on this issue. They apparently cannot even comprehend the language in their own Comprehensive Immigration bill.

When a bill basically says that illegals are allowed to stay while they apply for Z-Visas, that is de facto amnesty.

If this current bill is the best The Elected can write, they all need to resign in disgrace and allow people who have more competence to write a bill that supports the national sovereignty, rather than the best interests of Mexico's wealthy class.
63 posted on 05/25/2007 6:32:50 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: squarebarb

>>Pardon me, ‘stakeholders’.

They will be the extralegal enforcers of all the splendid laws our Demopublican rulers have in store for us.


64 posted on 05/25/2007 6:34:19 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: napscoordinator

“As I have said from time to time and stand by my statement. Presidents should ONLY be elected for one six year term.”

I agree. President 6, Congress 4 and that’s it.


65 posted on 05/25/2007 6:34:26 AM PDT by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: All

Coleman’s Anti-Sanctuary Bill Defeated

Republicans voted against the proposal:

Graham (R-SC)

Hagel (R-NE)

Lugar (R-IN)

Martinez (viva La Raza) (R-FL)

Snowe (R-ME)

Specter (R-PA)

Voinovich (R-OH)


66 posted on 05/25/2007 6:34:31 AM PDT by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: VU4G10
help us make certain we know who's in our country and where they are

What is he smoking? Why do supposedly serious, educated, responsible people believe that persons already demonstrated to be scofflaws will suddenly have a change of heart and voluntarily put their collective neck in a noose?

The policy itself is almost an afterthough compared to the obviously unworkable structure and methods used to "administrate" the lawless. If the WH launched a program to count the number of leaves on every tree it would stand an equal chance of failure.

67 posted on 05/25/2007 6:35:48 AM PDT by relictele
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To: VU4G10

Visions of Minitrue.


68 posted on 05/25/2007 6:36:28 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: SIDENET

Look ahead. Has anyone remarked about where legalizing these non-amnesty’d folks will lead. Let me suggest the next fight will be universal health care. And then we become a socialized third world nanny state.


69 posted on 05/25/2007 6:36:54 AM PDT by IM2MAD
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To: VU4G10
Mr. President,

I realize that technically, amnesty means to grant a pardon and of course no politician would be so foolish as to use the word "pardon" in this case.

But ... here's how the American people have decided if it is amnesty or not:

Does it reward or punish people for breaking the law?

If the answer is "reward" (and how can it be anything else), it is amnesty.

So let's stop with the semantics and parsing. We used to have a president who spent a lot of time parsing his statements and actions. We didn't like him very much.

70 posted on 05/25/2007 6:38:41 AM PDT by Let's Roll (As usual, following a shooting spree, libs want to take guns away from those who DIDN'T do it.)
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To: VU4G10
Mr. President... I voted for you twice because I thought you were a good man with a vision. Please don’t blow smoke up my arse with dumb statements like that. Insulting our intelligence with B.S. statements will only achieve what Jimmy Carter claims about you.
71 posted on 05/25/2007 6:39:06 AM PDT by reagandemo (The battle is near are you ready for the sacrifice?)
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To: Let's Roll

McLame is the WORST. He was on Hannity yesterday, and I was yelling at the radio. (luckily I was alone in my car).

McLame was pointing at the [unenforceable, and will NOT be enforced] “punishments” to say that this bill was not amnesty for illegals.


72 posted on 05/25/2007 6:40:41 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: VU4G10
I just got off the White House Comment line a few minutes ago.Their number,for anyone interested,is (202)456-1111.After having waited on hold for about 15 minutes (at about 9:15 AM Eastern) a very polite woman came on and asked me for my comment.I told her that I was vehemently opposed to this amnesty bill and that the President insults my intelligence when he tries to convince me that it's *not* an amnesty bill.

After I had finished I asked her if their phones were busy,if a large percentage of the calls she's gotten are about amnesty and if a large percentage were for or against the bill.She said that she's not at liberty to be specific but she assured me that "you're not alone" in opposition to this bill.

73 posted on 05/25/2007 6:42:20 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
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To: VU4G10

Republicans voted against the proposal:

Graham (R-SC)

Hagel (R-NE)

Lugar (R-IN)

Martinez (viva La Raza) (R-FL)

Snowe (R-ME)

Specter (R-PA)

Voinovich (R-OH)

Does not even matter to them because on Hagel is up for reelection in 2008. That is the biggest shame. They are going to get away with this because by the time they are up for election, this will probably be a dead issue or long forgotten and I am not talking about FREEPERS because we have a great way of keeping up with “bad” things that they do but the SHEEPLE don’t pay attention or remmber.


74 posted on 05/25/2007 6:42:33 AM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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To: VU4G10

I just sent Senator Lugar an e-mail: “No! Bad senator!”
If I wanted a `knuckle-head’ for a senator, I’d move to (the great state of) Massachusetts . . .


75 posted on 05/25/2007 6:43:49 AM PDT by OkieDoke (How do I know it's not amnesty? Uh, er because my wife told me... Morgan Fairchild! yeah, that's the)
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To: dennisw

bttt


76 posted on 05/25/2007 6:44:28 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: ZULU

>>Teddy Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenberg, Ronald Reagan and
>>perhaps Harry Truman were the only great Presidents in the 20th Century up to the present.

You must be joking.

I would have picked Coolidge, Harding, and Reagan.


77 posted on 05/25/2007 6:44:54 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: ZULU
Teddy Roosevelt,.......were the only great Presidents in the 20th Century up to the present.

Teddy Roosevelt: federal reserve board, income taxation,popular election of senators .....don't believe he was great at all. In fact, he goes on the top 10 worst presidents list.

78 posted on 05/25/2007 6:48:54 AM PDT by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd (PBUH---Pigblood be upon him))
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To: VU4G10

This is awful. Why does he continue to insult conservatives?


79 posted on 05/25/2007 6:49:39 AM PDT by 50mm (la prensa dos en traducir mi línea de etiqueta al inglés)
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To: ZULU
>>>>>Teddy Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenberg, Ronald Reagan and perhaps Harry Truman were the only great Presidents in the 20th Century up to the present.

TR created BIG government Republicanism .... Harry Truman was a New Deal/Fair Deal liberal who ran from office .... Reagan was great .... Ike was near great. Outside of Silent Cal --- Calvin Coolidge -- the rest of the 20th century Presidents weren't good leaders.

Dubya is deadwrong on his support for liberal immigration reform. The process allows illegals to become legal and thats amnesty.

Btw, its Dwight Eisenhower, not Dwight Eisenberg. ;^)

80 posted on 05/25/2007 6:49:44 AM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: VU4G10; All

Call It What It Is http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1638060/posts


81 posted on 05/25/2007 6:54:58 AM PDT by anglian
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To: napscoordinator

“how difficult it is to do unless you want a Democrat in there.”

I have long been a straight ticket Republican (ever since Reagan).

If a Democrat is against this amnesty, he gets my vote.


82 posted on 05/25/2007 6:56:31 AM PDT by EEDUDE (The more I know, the less I understand...)
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Am-nes-ty: the act of an authority (as a government) by which pardon is granted to a large group of individuals.


83 posted on 05/25/2007 6:57:26 AM PDT by anglian
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To: Aria

Aria wrote:
It gives them TAX AMNESTY! That alone is enough to make me FURIOUS. I don’t want to get started on all the other things about it that are sickening

I haven’t heard that part of it...can’t you explain?


84 posted on 05/25/2007 7:02:09 AM PDT by GeorgiaDawg
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To: VU4G10
Sad really....the vast majority of Americans would support real immigration reform if it was based on the premise of securing the borders first.....

There is a huge opportunity here for an aspiring Repub or Dem to take the lead on this issue.....the groudswell would probably launch their career.....

The leadership in congress, on both sides, is an embarrasment....and I'm not to fond of what is in the White House either

Man do we need another Ronald Reagan....even with his faults....he makes today's crop of politician's look weak and cowardly....
85 posted on 05/25/2007 7:09:43 AM PDT by PigRigger (Donate to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org - The Troops have our front covered, let's guard their backs!)
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To: VU4G10

Lets assume the sellout passes and Bush signs it. Sure there will be millions of newly legalized “citizens”, but what’s going to stop them from coming on in the way they are now? I doubt a small partial fence is going to get the job done.

Am I also expected to believe that if an illegal doesn’t qualify for the amnesty they are just going to pack up and go back home? I don’t see it happening.


86 posted on 05/25/2007 7:10:57 AM PDT by KoRn (Just Say NO ....To Liberal Republicans - FRED THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT!)
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To: VU4G10
"This bill provides the best chance to reform our immigration system and help us make certain we know who's in our country and where they are."

No, it doesn't.

The "best chance to reform our immigration system" is for you to do your *^@$#)@ job, and enforce the law.

87 posted on 05/25/2007 7:13:11 AM PDT by B Knotts (Anybody but Giuliani!)
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To: grey_whiskers
Sorry, my dear President...it's true. I support you on SOOOO many other issues, but on this one, I'm afraid the possible initial problem with our economy and cheap labor only = the soft bigotry of low expectations you brought to my attention so long ago.

And together, they do NOT = enough of a reason to back this Bill who's fence first provisions will end up just being another law that insists on a fence that'll never be built.

88 posted on 05/25/2007 7:19:07 AM PDT by NordP (The greatest gift God can give us is LIFE. The greatest gift man can give to another is FREEDOM.)
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To: grey_whiskers
Can anyone go to the photo "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'Amnesty' is" and photoshop a Mexican flag on the lapel?


89 posted on 05/25/2007 7:19:21 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh
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To: Aria
It gives them TAX AMNESTY! That alone is enough to make me FURIOUS.

Not only that...
It gives the perfidious American b@$tards that employed them
TAX AMNESTY!
(never need to fund all those years of Social Security and other
taxes they never paid while working in a "cash economy").

But then I guess we should have expected a "compassionate
conservative" to have pity on the Cash Economy Simon Legrees.
(For the kids, Simon Legree was the slave-abuser in "Uncle Tom's Cabin".)
90 posted on 05/25/2007 7:19:47 AM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA
John and Ken on KFI in L.A. have a radio promo out (for their show) where they say..."It's just like someone stealing your car....AND GETTING TO KEEP IT!"

Excellent analogy.

91 posted on 05/25/2007 7:21:23 AM PDT by NordP (The greatest gift God can give us is LIFE. The greatest gift man can give to another is FREEDOM.)
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To: VU4G10

compromising with criminals. Giving them rights, medical care, hud housing, welfare benes, and a free education isn’t good enough. They want us to hand the country over to them and disappear from te planet.


92 posted on 05/25/2007 7:22:49 AM PDT by television is just wrong (Amnesty is when you allow them to return to their country of origin without prosecution.)
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To: VU4G10

pig + lipstick = pig


93 posted on 05/25/2007 7:26:05 AM PDT by Godzilla (Consciousness: That annoying time between naps.)
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To: GeorgiaDawg

“I haven’t heard that part of it...can’t you explain?”

If you are asking about the Tax Amenesty, try here:

Bush Removes Provision Requiring Back taxes From Illegal Immigrants
Boston Globe ^ | May 19, 2007 | Michael Kranish
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1836227/posts

Tax amnesty for illegals
World Net Daily ^ | 5/19/07 | World Net Daily
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1836557/posts


94 posted on 05/25/2007 7:27:05 AM PDT by VOA
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To: VU4G10

Gotta part with the big guy on this one. For everything he has gotten right, he is taking the wrong approach on illegal immigration.

The millions of poor, Mexican illegal aliens provide an excellent way to measure how well your immigration enforcement is working. If they are unable to support themselves in the USA and move back to Mexico, the enforcement is working. And since they will move back home on their own, their is no need to deport the majority of them. In this light, granting them legal status makes no sense. In fact, it places no part in “comprehensive” reform.


95 posted on 05/25/2007 7:29:07 AM PDT by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: VU4G10
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96 posted on 05/25/2007 7:30:16 AM PDT by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: VU4G10

“This bill provides the best chance to reform our immigration system and help us make certain we know who’s in our country and where they are.”

This Bill has nothing to do with immigration...and everything to do with giving amnesty to illegal aliens who are NOT immigrants but worse than burglars..

If the provision of this Bill is intended to “help us make certain we know who’s in our country and where they are” why are illegal aliens being rewarded for being found and identified?

Would it not behoove the government to penalize the illegal aliens and not celebrate them?

What message does this send to those REAL immigrants who have applied to enter our country the correct way...by asking permission and fulfilling all the requirements?

Could it be..You are not important? you are not welcome? You are just a stupid chump? Wait in line longer..you know how to do that?

As an immigrant, I have not answers for the injustice that is wrapped up in this fallacy of an Amnesty Bill...

For more the past week I’ve felt like the senators pushing this are kicking me in the guts...


97 posted on 05/25/2007 7:30:53 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Aria
It gives them TAX AMNESTY! That alone is enough to make me FURIOUS. I don’t want to get started on all the other things about it that are sickening.

Ann Coulter brought this up on Hannity last night (Hannity was not happy.) She said, "I would love to be an illegal so I can stop paying taxes, too." It may not be an exact quote, but close.

98 posted on 05/25/2007 7:32:47 AM PDT by 50mm (la prensa dos en traducir mi línea de etiqueta al inglés)
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To: WalterSkinner

Funny you should use that picture, because he granted amnesty to that turkey. It seems the president loves to grant amnesty!


99 posted on 05/25/2007 7:34:50 AM PDT by 50mm (la prensa dos en traducir mi línea de etiqueta al inglés)
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To: VU4G10

Well, much more of this and you’ll see conservatives driving around with the same damned bumper sticker that the peaceniks came up with: “Bush lied, people died.” What a sad business.

Bush says that it’s not amnesty because they have to pay for it—maybe $1,000, maybe $5,000.

What he forgets to say is that they are excused all their taxes, they are excused their crimes, and the government will predictably come up with the money to pay their amnesty fees for them when the time comes.

Also, they get full social security, medicare, medicaid, etc., without having put anything into it.


100 posted on 05/25/2007 7:35:45 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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