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Putin the Terrible, we love you
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article1844508.ece ^ | May 27, 2007 | Mark Franchetti

Posted on 05/28/2007 2:00:00 AM PDT by RusIvan

Two days after the Crown Prosecution Service announced that Andrei Lugovoi, the former KGB agent, should be charged with the murder of his old colleague Alexan-der Litvinenko and demanded that Russia extradite him to face trial in Britain, I bumped into a Russian friend: worldly, pro-western and a fluent English speaker who has travelled dozens of times abroad.

I asked him who he thought had ordered the murder of Litvinenko, a fierce Kremlin critic who died of a massive polonium210 dose in London six months ago. My friend had no doubts. “Boris Berezovsky of course,” he said forcefully. It was the exiled oligarch and foe of Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, who had smuggled polonium into Britain and ordered his protégé’s death. Why? To sully Russia’s image in the West.

However absurd that seems, many Russians would agree. Even in exile Berezovsky, once one of Moscow’s most powerful political players, is regarded as a Machiavellian figure whose influence, they believe, knows no boundaries. Those who do not share that view, including Litvinenko’s first wife, believe he was instead killed by the CIA or MI5, enemies of Russia bent on weakening it just as it is becoming strong again. Few here suspect the FSB, as the KGB is now known, or the Kremlin. Too small a fish for them to get involved, they argue.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: putin; russia
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To: Diocletian
"Feel free to keep your head in the sand. It's what many Americans do best these days."

Why are you allowed on here since you obviously despise Americans? You repeatedly promote a terrorist supporting Neo-Soviet thug on this thread on others.

Your foolish & inflammatory comments read like a combination of Pravda, and the anti-Western trash published by the Putin worshiping Nashi cult.


41 posted on 05/28/2007 4:43:50 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

‘I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy. We had a very good dialogue. I was able to get a sense of his soul...’

or for jorge’s new base:

‘Miraba a hombre en el ojo. Lo encontré para ser muy directo y digno de confianza. Teníamos un diálogo muy bueno. Podía conseguir un sentido de su alma...’


42 posted on 05/28/2007 4:49:39 AM PDT by Enduring Freedom (jorge bush is the first mexican president)
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To: M. Espinola

Sorry, but I love Americans....especially the great ones like Ronald Reagan. Try not to confuse criticism of foreign policy with hatred of a nation. That type of thinking belongs on DU.


43 posted on 05/28/2007 4:52:29 AM PDT by Diocletian
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To: Neophyte

Russia dtopped using the term “Soviets” in 1991, that’s true. Little else has changed.==

You far from truth if you are serious.


44 posted on 05/28/2007 4:57:00 AM PDT by RusIvan (The western MSM zombies the western publics.)
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To: Diocletian
The “British” justice system is better than most other systems based on the continent.
45 posted on 05/28/2007 5:09:51 AM PDT by freeforall (Answers are a burden for oneself, questions are a burden for others.)
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To: freeforall

That is very questionable in light of its history.


46 posted on 05/28/2007 5:14:52 AM PDT by Diocletian
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To: M. Espinola

Good question.


47 posted on 05/28/2007 5:41:28 AM PDT by LetGoNow
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To: Diocletian

I see, and which Napoleonic system or other Ancient roman European system would you propose? British common law is much better than civil law. Locke, Hume and Hobbes influenced British common law and the formation of the US. The basic difference is under British/American common law all is allowed unless prohibited by law under the Napoleonic/Civil law all is prohibited unless allowed by law.


48 posted on 05/28/2007 6:14:46 AM PDT by freeforall (Answers are a burden for oneself, questions are a burden for others.)
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To: freeforall

We can discuss theories of legal jurisprudence all day and all night, but theory is different from practise and the recent history of British jurisprudence isn’t a shining one.


49 posted on 05/28/2007 6:20:09 AM PDT by Diocletian
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To: M. Espinola
Is that photo shopped?

Russian Imperial Stormtroopers? That is funny!

50 posted on 05/28/2007 6:26:02 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Roy Tucker

Gee, Ya think?
After being a prisoner state of the Soviets (read russia, I don’t see too many formers cozying up to russia.
Fact I see them all trying to make nice with the west to get out of the russian influence.
Really seems to make putin see red.


51 posted on 05/28/2007 6:41:41 AM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: RusIvan

From the sheer incompetence and calamity of the Yeltsin years, the rape and stealing of Russian wealth by oligarchs, Putin is really a welcome change for Russia. He has put Russia on the world map again, created a solid economy with improved standards of living, also tackled the oligarchs by seizing control of some of Russia’s valuable assets back from them which in turn meant investment and inflow of funds to Russian economy. Its not suprising Putin is a very popular leader and with high approval ratings among Russians.


52 posted on 05/28/2007 7:53:37 AM PDT by GregH
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To: RusIvan

“uranium enrechment centrufuge technology from Russia he has NOT.”

How can we be so sure?

If you process the ore in a large centrifuge, and you don’t have it just right, you lose time and money.

Now, if you have a bunch of small centrifuges, then your failure rate can be moderate, while your output can be plentiful.

Like, 50,000 small centrifuges.

Not that Iran has them, or has stated they have or are getting them. No reason to buy or use them if you don’t know how to work them. Right?

The real lack seems to be in our ability to accept the reality that they are doing this and have even had it posted in world news organizations.


53 posted on 05/28/2007 9:19:56 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (It's turtles all the way down.)
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To: Diocletian
Russian legislator suggests swapping Lugovoi for Berezovsky

Nice.

54 posted on 05/28/2007 11:09:55 AM PDT by Diocletian
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To: RusIvan

This was in my email this morning. Can you add anything of interest?

“Subject: CITGO-CHAVEZ
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 20:45:35 -0500

Subject: CITGO Gas

President Chavez of Venezuala is NOW getting a Russian weapons factory built by Putin. He has previously “vowed” to destroy the United Sates of America because we are a threat to the rest of the world.

The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle
factory in Venezuela to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the Americas.

Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in
Venezuela for him. It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez has Iranian-built LONG RANGE missiles, with a variety of warhead types aimed at: Guess Who?

CITGO is NOW in the process of changing its name to PETRO
EXPRESS because of the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity of ownership by President Chavez of Venezuela.

Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will be used against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will start wars here in the Americas that will probably be the death of millions of free people.

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss of revenue from his holdings. HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move that everyone should be aware of.

ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN DUE TO U.S. CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM “CITGO-CHAVEZ”, HAVE STARTED TO CHANGE THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STATIONS TO “PETRO EXPRESS.”

DO NOT BUY FROM “PETRO EXPRESS” EITHER!!!”


55 posted on 05/28/2007 11:35:04 AM PDT by abigailsmybaby (I was born with nothing. So far I have most of it left.)
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To: GregH

“From the sheer incompetence and calamity of the Yeltsin years, the rape and stealing of Russian wealth by oligarchs, Putin is really a welcome change for Russia. He has put Russia on the world map again, created a solid economy with improved standards of living, also tackled the oligarchs by seizing control of some of Russia’s valuable assets back from them which in turn meant investment and inflow of funds to Russian economy. Its not suprising Putin is a very popular leader and with high approval ratings among Russians”

Putin is no Jefferson or Washington, the fact that he is enforcing fascism is not a good thing.


56 posted on 05/28/2007 11:41:33 AM PDT by freeforall (Answers are a burden for oneself, questions are a burden for others.)
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To: freeforall

He’s doing very well for the Russians and that’s the constituency he has to answer to.


57 posted on 05/28/2007 11:42:14 AM PDT by Diocletian
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To: Diocletian
That is true but my criticism is based on the history of Russian tyranny. It is growing again not receding.
58 posted on 05/28/2007 11:45:50 AM PDT by freeforall (Answers are a burden for oneself, questions are a burden for others.)
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To: freeforall
I wouldn't equate stronger government with tyranny necessarily since Russia's history is one of authoritarianism and its short experiments with liberalism have been disastrous: Kerensky's anarchic regime giving way to Bolshevism and Yeltsin's regime allowing for the rape of Russian resources and plunge in economic well-being, plus defeat at the hands of Chechen rebels.

What works for the USA might not work for Russia.

59 posted on 05/28/2007 11:51:11 AM PDT by Diocletian
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To: RusIvan

I’m not interested and can’t help it if you are russian buttboy apologist.


60 posted on 05/28/2007 1:54:54 PM PDT by Joe Boucher
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