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Gun-toting teens alarm residents
spokesmanreview.com ^ | 05-31-07 | Hope Brumbach

Posted on 06/01/2007 1:26:08 PM PDT by em2vn

POST FALLS – Zach Doty typically wears a tie and dress shirt to church. But lately, a new accessory of his is raising alarm in Post Falls.

After turning 18 last month, the Post Falls teenager began strapping a loaded 9 mm Glock 19 handgun to his belt every day. He totes it in full view to Bible studies, the public library, city parks and neighborhood stores and on walks around town.

His 15-year-old brother, Stephen, has joined him, carrying a loaded Ruger .22-caliber rifle slung over his shoulder.

The brothers, who are home-schooled, say they're flexing their Second Amendment right, which allows citizens to bear arms. They say they're protecting themselves and others, deterring crime and making a statement about constitutional freedoms.

"If you don't exercise a right, eventually it will go away," Zach Doty said last week, a handgun tucked in a holster on his hip. "I'd like to raise people's awareness that it's a right, and I hope to encourage others to exercise that right."

The brothers are stirring up concern about citizen safety and gun responsibility.

Residents have alerted police and complained to the city. Police officers have stopped the boys on several occasions in the past six weeks.

And city officials say the brothers' action may lead to restrictions on carrying weapons on public property within city limits. At this time, the city doesn't have an ordinance that prohibits firearms in most public buildings.

"It obviously has created some controversy in the community. …We are fielding a significant number of calls from concerned citizens about how we're going to react to this and how we're going to ensure their safety is upheld," Post Falls City Administrator Eric Keck said. "It really is a matter of defining things very carefully and balancing maintaining one's rights and what has become the norm of society. It's something we're really going to have to examine."


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KEYWORDS: banglist; bible; idaho; rifle; secondamendment
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These boys would have been real handy to have had at Virginia Tech.
1 posted on 06/01/2007 1:26:10 PM PDT by em2vn
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To: em2vn

betcha they, or anyone they’re around, don’t have to worry about being crime victims..


2 posted on 06/01/2007 1:27:58 PM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (Every Democrat Party cause eventually becomes a business then it degenerates into a racket.)
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To: em2vn

>>city officials say the brothers’ action may lead to restrictions on carrying weapons on public property within city limits<<

OK, so they arrest the boys on charges,
and it goes up the appeals process,
and the USSC rules that “keep and BEAR” means no restrictions on individuals BEARING their arms.


3 posted on 06/01/2007 1:29:03 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: em2vn
"It really is a matter of defining things very carefully and balancing maintaining one's rights and what has become the norm of society.

No ... a right is a right. It's not a right that society grants, but a right from God. That's the way they set it up when our country was established.

If the government wants to take away rights, then they need to change the Constitution. But you can't monkey with it based on "society's norms."

4 posted on 06/01/2007 1:30:33 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic ■Št gehate, ■Št ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille fur­or gan)
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To: em2vn

In another place this piece was discussed the piece had said that the police had talked to the boys to help them understand how people felt seeing them armed. I remember commenting at the time, the police are talking to the wrong people, The boys have done their homework on the law. The complaining residents obviousl, had not.


5 posted on 06/01/2007 1:31:59 PM PDT by n230099 (64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.)
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To: em2vn

With Rights comes Responsibilities.

These boys are screwing up.


6 posted on 06/01/2007 1:33:30 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Global Warming is Leftist Theology - Why is it Being Taught in School?)
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To: MrB


:-)
7 posted on 06/01/2007 1:34:00 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: em2vn
what has become the norm of society.

Yeah and segregation was the norm at one time. This jerk doesn't understand that we are talking about an inalienable right!

8 posted on 06/01/2007 1:34:29 PM PDT by beltfed308 (Rudy: When you absolutely,positively need a liberal for President.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
These boys are screwing up.

How so? It's legal. A right not exercised becomes useless in my book.

9 posted on 06/01/2007 1:36:19 PM PDT by beltfed308 (Rudy: When you absolutely,positively need a liberal for President.)
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To: em2vn
This is the Idaho I was a kid in.
10 posted on 06/01/2007 1:36:47 PM PDT by Little Bill (Welcome to the Newly Socialist State of New Hampshire)
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To: Responsibility2nd
I see it as the liberal element are screwing up.
11 posted on 06/01/2007 1:36:50 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: beltfed308
Yet a right abused can also become useless.
12 posted on 06/01/2007 1:37:27 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Global Warming is Leftist Theology - Why is it Being Taught in School?)
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To: SittinYonder
If the government wants to take away rights, ...

The government can't take away rights, it can only restrict their free exercise.

13 posted on 06/01/2007 1:37:49 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

There was a time when it was not unusual for kids to be seen carrying firearms in public, or going shooting and hunting. Nobody thought anything of it. I used to shoot at a range in a public high school. Carried my rifle in every Tuesday and Thursday, and I was only 14.


14 posted on 06/01/2007 1:38:16 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Responsibility2nd
These boys are screwing up.

How?

15 posted on 06/01/2007 1:38:23 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic ■Št gehate, ■Št ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille fur­or gan)
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To: n230099

About 20 years ago, small town in CO. My brother had just purchased a pistol grip pump shotgun. We took it up in the hills and had a blast shooting. We put it in the gunrack of his pickup and were driving back when we were suddenly surrounded by five cop cars, guns drawn and all.

They politely took out their tape measure and determined that the shotgun was 1/4” over the legal length. They they asked us to please transport it in future out of sight, as people had called in freaked out about a “sawed-off shotgun.”

These boys sound like the women who think they have a right to upset others when breastfeeding by flopping it out in front of God and everybody. A little discretion never hurt anything.


16 posted on 06/01/2007 1:38:50 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“These boys are screwing up.”

Concealed carry means just that in some places.

Here in Indiana, allowing someone to see that you are carrying can be considered “brandishing” a weapon, and can get you in trouble.


17 posted on 06/01/2007 1:39:13 PM PDT by EEDUDE (The more I know, the less I understand...)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Yet a right abused can also become useless.

How is exercising a right legally constitute abuse?

18 posted on 06/01/2007 1:39:30 PM PDT by beltfed308 (Rudy: When you absolutely,positively need a liberal for President.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

How are they screwing up?


19 posted on 06/01/2007 1:41:07 PM PDT by em2vn
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To: Responsibility2nd
Yet a right abused can also become useless.

How's that? Like going to church too often? Writing too many letters to the editor? Refusing to incriminate yourself too often?

20 posted on 06/01/2007 1:41:13 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Yet a right abused can also become useless.

Oh? Who have these kids shot? Who have they menaced? (I'm not talking about panty-waists feeling "threatened" by the sight of firearms either---I mean an actual armed threat.)

If you can't come up with instances of such abuse by these kids, I'd like you to tell us what you consider to be the "abuse" here.

21 posted on 06/01/2007 1:41:52 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("...stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you..." -Deut. 21:21)
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To: SittinYonder
How?

From the article....

And city officials say the brothers' action may lead to restrictions on carrying weapons on public property within city limits
There are better ways to promote the Second Amendment rights rather than going around scaring people.
22 posted on 06/01/2007 1:42:43 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Global Warming is Leftist Theology - Why is it Being Taught in School?)
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To: em2vn

His 15-year-old brother, Stephen, has joined him, carrying a loaded Ruger .22-caliber rifle slung over his shoulder.

I thought there was an age limit on carrying arms. I guess it depends on the state. It would definitely be surprising to see a 15 year old walking around with a loaded weapons.


23 posted on 06/01/2007 1:43:45 PM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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To: beltfed308

When you abuse it to the point of having these rights removed..... useless.


24 posted on 06/01/2007 1:45:44 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Global Warming is Leftist Theology - Why is it Being Taught in School?)
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To: Responsibility2nd
There are better ways to promote the Second Amendment rights rather than going around scaring people.

Kind of like this?

There are better ways to promote religous rights rather than going around preaching to people.

25 posted on 06/01/2007 1:47:02 PM PDT by beltfed308 (Rudy: When you absolutely,positively need a liberal for President.)
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To: EEDUDE
Here in Indiana, allowing someone to see that you are carrying can be considered “brandishing” a weapon, and can get you in trouble.

That's what I mean by "menacing." But I fail to see how not wearing a coat or jacket over your holster means you're "brandishing" the weapon.

26 posted on 06/01/2007 1:47:30 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("...stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you..." -Deut. 21:21)
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To: em2vn

The boys are acting dumb. They should know that the ignorant public can’t distinguish between a crook with a gun and a law-abiding citizen with a gun, and so they do what all idiots do when they don’t know what to do, they call the police.


27 posted on 06/01/2007 1:47:32 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: em2vn

This must have the Lon Horiuchis of the country twitching.


28 posted on 06/01/2007 1:47:42 PM PDT by VR-21
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To: Little Bill

That was my Mississippi of my youth too.


29 posted on 06/01/2007 1:49:17 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (Bush on Immigration: Damn the Base, Full Speed Ahead!)
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To: em2vn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raXKeQ5qFwo


30 posted on 06/01/2007 1:49:49 PM PDT by LucyJo
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To: napscoordinator
It would definitely be surprising to see a 15 year old walking around with a loaded weapons.

I walked around with a loaded weapon when I was 15 years old.

31 posted on 06/01/2007 1:50:27 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Map Kernow

There is no open carry in Indiana.
Even with a permit, a weapon must be concealed.

It’s a minority of states that have open carry laws (arizona, alaska and some others, IIRC).


32 posted on 06/01/2007 1:50:51 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: VR-21

Well done reference...


33 posted on 06/01/2007 1:51:19 PM PDT by Chasaway (Anything not worth doing is not worth doing well.)
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To: em2vn
Hello em2vn,

What a crock of poop.

Idaho, like here in MT, is chock-full-o-guns! There are gun racks in almost every pickup, and they are a part of every-day life.

"Packing" here (as there I am sure) is an inconsequential thing and hardly even noticed. The only times I have had any trouble is when entering banks, or when being stopped by a sheriff... Even then it is no real problem, provided one handles the situation well.

This is a couple of Nancy-pants libs with their undies in a bunch. I doubt it is an hue and cry from the general community.

Bruce

34 posted on 06/01/2007 1:51:44 PM PDT by roamer_1
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To: Responsibility2nd

No the parents of other peaceable law abiding young people are screwing up in not encouraging their law abiding young men and women to join them.

W


35 posted on 06/01/2007 1:51:55 PM PDT by WLR
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To: Responsibility2nd
There are better ways to promote the Second Amendment rights rather than going around scaring people.

Scaring criminals seems like a good thing to me.

36 posted on 06/01/2007 1:52:26 PM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Wha?

When a citizen exercises their rights, they’re not “abusing” them.

And they’re not scaring anybody.
People with irrational fears are scaring themselves, and that is not a basis for restricting rights.


37 posted on 06/01/2007 1:52:46 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
The boys are acting dumb. They should know that the ignorant public can’t distinguish between a crook with a gun and a law-abiding citizen with a gun, and so they do what all idiots do when they don’t know what to do, they call the police.

How many crooks go around with their weapons unconcealed? Not a whole lot I'm sure. And by the way, unless you've been convicted of a crime, you do have a constitutional right to bear arms. In theory, anyway.

38 posted on 06/01/2007 1:52:57 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("...stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you..." -Deut. 21:21)
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My 13 and 11 year old both know how to shoot, safely handle, and recognize different firearms. As a parent, I believe it should be taught as a part of growing up. It is how I was raised..having a healthy respect for firearms but never wondering, fearing or questioning.

It’s the American way.

Too bad those in the inner city have negative connotations towards firearms.


39 posted on 06/01/2007 1:54:08 PM PDT by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Add NM to your list.


40 posted on 06/01/2007 1:54:11 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: DuncanWaring

Thinking back. I know that I shot at my Grandfather’s house when we visited, but my Grandfather and my Father were always there to ensure that we were safe. We never walked around outside my Grandfather’s property though. I know for a fact that I would not have been able to go into the mall with it.


41 posted on 06/01/2007 1:54:20 PM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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To: beltfed308
How is exercising a right legally constitute abuse?

Obviously, one can not "legally" abuse what they have a "legal" right to do. However, one can ethically abuse a legal right, and people often have.

Now in this particular case I don't see any abuse of a right legal or not. However if they were waving the guns in peoples faces that would be abuse, even if there were not (yet) a law against it.

42 posted on 06/01/2007 1:54:34 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“These boys are screwing up.”

How so? They would be in jail if they even approached breaking the law. They are merely doing what a hell of a lot more people should be doing every day.


43 posted on 06/01/2007 1:54:58 PM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: Responsibility2nd
When you abuse it to the point of having these rights removed..... useless.

You are missing the whole point. These boys are exercising their right. The entire reason that other people are sniveling about it is because very few people in that area actually have exercised that right, and so the snivelers are not used to the idea that carrying a weapon is legal (in that state). If these boys, or anyone else, were to allow the sniveling of a few people to intimidate them into not carrying, then they have abdicated that right on their own. Either way, the right is lost.

It is about time that people stopped their irrational fear of guns and realize that it is not guns that kill, but, as Gunny Hartman says "It is a hard heart that kills."
44 posted on 06/01/2007 1:55:43 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: em2vn

the boys are creating what educators call a “teachable moment.”

They need to follow up on the publicity their actions bring to teach other lawful citizens why there is no threat from lawfully armed citizens.


45 posted on 06/01/2007 1:56:07 PM PDT by ibbryn (this tag intentionally left blank)
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To: Clam Digger

Yeah, it’s actually humorous -

the cops KNOW they don’t have anything on them, or they’d already have taken action.


46 posted on 06/01/2007 1:56:15 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: napscoordinator
It would definitely be surprising to see a 15 year old walking around with a loaded weapons.

Yeah..kinda depends on the kid. My teen handles shotgun and pistol safely and responsibly..still I can see how some people would freak out at ANY armed teen in today's society.

47 posted on 06/01/2007 1:56:28 PM PDT by LimaLimaMikeFoxtrot ("If you don't have my army supplied, and keep it supplied, we'll eat your mules up, sir"-Gen.Sherman)
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To: EEDUDE

The Second Amendment says nothing about the right beign subject to conceal the arms in questions. In many states, you need a permit to carry concealed, but no permit to carry openly.


48 posted on 06/01/2007 1:57:22 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: fr_freak

“A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity” - Sigmund Freud


49 posted on 06/01/2007 1:57:58 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: em2vn
Interesting how the article has to make the point that he carries to "Bible study", and that he and his brother are home-schooled.

You seldom see an article about Uzi-toting gangbangers that refers to their religious and scholastic activities.

50 posted on 06/01/2007 1:58:27 PM PDT by Inspectorette
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