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Immigration bill narrowly survives challenge (gag alert)
The Seattle Times ^ | June 6, 2007 | Julie Hirschfeld Davis

Posted on 06/06/2007 1:28:26 PM PDT by Baladas

WASHINGTON — The proposed immigration overhaul narrowly survived a potentially fatal challenge today as the Senate turned back a Republican bid to limit the illegal immigrants who could gain lawful status.

The close vote on a proposal by Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, to bar felons — including those court-ordered to be deported — from legalization reflected the delicate position of the contentious immigration bill, which remains under threat from the right and the left.

The vote was 51-46 against the amendment. Democrats succeeded in pulling support from Cornyn's proposal by winning adoption of a rival version that would bar a more limited set of criminals, including certain gang members and sex offenders, from gaining legalization.

Cornyn had painted his effort as a "defining issue" for any presidential candidate — a sign of the degree to which the contentious debate is bleeding over into the GOP campaign fray.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., alone among his party's presidential aspirants in backing the immigration measure, opposed Cornyn's bid and backed the Democratic alternative offered by Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass.

After his defeat, Cornyn said those who voted against the proposal "failed to take an opportunity to help restore public confidence that we're actually serious about passing an immigration law that could actually work."

Many Americans will conclude instead that the bill's enforcement provisions will not be rigorously enforced, a problem that deeply undermined a 1986 immigration overhaul, he added.

"I think it's safe to say that the United States Senate would be the laughingstock of the country if — after all of the hyperbole and all of the publicity and all of the proposals and objections — we're not able to finish this bill," said Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., a framer.

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: amnesty; harryreid; ussenate
They couldn't even vote for the Cornyn amendemnt?????

Yo, Specter, you and your Senate colleagues already the laughingstock of the country.

1 posted on 06/06/2007 1:28:27 PM PDT by Baladas
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To: Baladas

>>Yo, Specter, you and your Senate colleagues already the laughingstock of the country.<<

Let me count the ways. That’s what I was going to say.


2 posted on 06/06/2007 1:31:39 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Illegals: representation without taxation--Citizens: taxation without representation)
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To: Baladas

Stunning that the U.S. Senate just voted to give legal residence to murderers, thieves, credit-card and identity theft fraudsters (including Muslim ones possibly using the funds for terrorism), and all other felons. What are we coming to as a nation? Is this our Senate?


3 posted on 06/06/2007 1:32:58 PM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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To: Baladas
How Eisenhower solved illegal border crossings from Mexico

I Like Ike.

4 posted on 06/06/2007 1:34:41 PM PDT by sourcery (Democrat: n. 1. Quiche-eating surrender donkey.)
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To: Baladas
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., alone among his party's presidential aspirants in backing the immigration measure, opposed Cornyn's bid and backed the Democratic alternative offered by Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass.

If McCain drinks anymore of that Ted Kennedy koolaid, that boy is gunna drown. What is in that stuff anyway? Hopefully it doesn't have any contraindications with the thorazine McInsane took for yesterday's debate (medicated to defer the inevitable McSplosion).

5 posted on 06/06/2007 1:45:05 PM PDT by M203M4 (Vote Fruity Giuliani or the terrists will win! Abortion & gun control = price for freedumb!)
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To: Baladas

...since 1974, sneaking into Mexico has been punishable by up to two years in prison...
...the Mexican National Institute of Migration (INM) frequently raids employers and deports foreigners who work without the proper documentation...
...Legal and illegal immigrants in Mexico waive certain legal rights, such as the right to a deportation hearing or other legal motions...
...any citizen may make a citizen’s arrest on the offender and his accomplices, turning them over without delay to the nearest authorities
...in 2001, Vincente Fox sent troops to stop the illegal flow of aliens into Mexico from Central America...
...In 2004 Mexico deported 188,000 people to their countries of origin, and in he first half of 2005 120,000 people....
...Only Mexicans by birth or naturalization and Mexican companies have the right to acquire ownership of lands, waters, and their appartenances, or to obtain concessions for the exploitation of mines or of waters...
...Foreigners may not in any way participate in the political affairs of the country. This ban applies, among other things, to participation in demonstrations and the expression of opinions in public about domestic politics...
...Immigrants — even legal ones — may not become members of the clergy...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13006798/site/newsweek/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Mexico
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/grogan/060605

And we allow felons to stay as long as they like.

Unbe-friggin-lievable


6 posted on 06/06/2007 1:47:25 PM PDT by sanchmo
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To: sourcery
Because political resistance was lower in California and Arizona, the roundup of aliens began there. Some 750 agents swept northward through agricultural areas with a goal of 1,000 apprehensions a day. By the end of July, over 50,000 aliens were caught in the two states. Another 488,000, fearing arrest, had fled the country.

By mid-July, the crackdown extended northward into Utah, Nevada, and Idaho, and eastward to Texas.

By September, 80,000 had been taken into custody in Texas, and an estimated 500,000 to 700,000 illegals had left the Lone Star State voluntarily.

Unlike today, Mexicans caught in the roundup were not simply released at the border, where they could easily reenter the US. To discourage their return, Swing arranged for buses and trains to take many aliens deep within Mexico before being set free.

Tens of thousands more were put aboard two hired ships, the Emancipation and the Mercurio. The ships ferried the aliens from Port Isabel, Texas, to Vera Cruz, Mexico, more than 500 miles south.

The sea voyage was "a rough trip, and they did not like it," says Don Coppock, who worked his way up from Border Patrolman in 1941 to eventually head the Border Patrol from 1960 to 1973.

Mr. Coppock says he "cannot understand why [President] Bush let [today's] problem get away from him as it has. I guess it was his compassionate conservatism, and trying to please [Mexican President] Vincente Fox."

7 posted on 06/06/2007 1:51:38 PM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (If MY people who are called by MY name -- the ball's in our court, folks.)
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To: Baladas

After reading this, I can only be sure
of TWO things: a)McCain is not only in
bed with the Democrats, he’s angling for
a cushy assignment from them after the
2008 elections. b) The voting records of
these Rhino Republican Senators are being
watched more closely than ever. One can
only conclude they plan on getting fat
checks (from the business people who want
cheap illiterate labor) BEFORE being voted
out of office permanently!


8 posted on 06/06/2007 2:14:28 PM PDT by Grendel9
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To: Baladas

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 110th Congress - 1st Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate

Vote Summary

Question: On the Amendment (DeMint Amdt. No. 1197 )
Vote Number: 188 Vote Date: June 6, 2007, 02:04 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Amendment Rejected
Amendment Number: S.Amdt. 1197 to S.Amdt. 1150 to to S. 1348 (Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 )
Statement of Purpose: To require health care coverage for holders of Z nonimmigrant visas.
Vote Counts: YEAs 43
NAYs 55
Not Voting 1
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State

Alphabetical by Senator Name
Akaka (D-HI), Nay
Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Allard (R-CO), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Nay
Bayh (D-IN), Nay
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Nay
Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Nay
Brown (D-OH), Nay
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bunning (R-KY), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Nay
Cardin (D-MD), Nay
Carper (D-DE), Nay
Casey (D-PA), Nay
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Nay
Coburn (R-OK), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Coleman (R-MN), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Nay
Conrad (D-ND), Nay
Corker (R-TN), Yea
Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
DeMint (R-SC), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Nay
Dole (R-NC), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Nay
Dorgan (D-ND), Nay
Durbin (D-IL), Nay
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Nay
Graham (R-SC), Nay
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagel (R-NE), Nay
Harkin (D-IA), Nay
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Nay
Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Not Voting
Kennedy (D-MA), Nay
Kerry (D-MA), Nay
Klobuchar (D-MN), Nay
Kohl (D-WI), Nay
Kyl (R-AZ), Nay
Landrieu (D-LA), Nay
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Nay
Leahy (D-VT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Nay
Lieberman (ID-CT), Nay
Lincoln (D-AR), Nay
Lott (R-MS), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Nay
Martinez (R-FL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Nay
McCaskill (D-MO), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Menendez (D-NJ), Nay
Mikulski (D-MD), Nay
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Nay
Nelson (D-FL), Nay
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Obama (D-IL), Nay
Pryor (D-AR), Nay
Reed (D-RI), Nay
Reid (D-NV), Nay
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Nay
Salazar (D-CO), Nay
Sanders (I-VT), Nay
Schumer (D-NY), Nay
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Nay
Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Sununu (R-NH), Yea
Tester (D-MT), Nay
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Webb (D-VA), Nay
Whitehouse (D-RI), Nay
Wyden (D-OR), Nay


9 posted on 06/06/2007 2:17:35 PM PDT by YellowRoseofTx
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To: Baladas

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 110th Congress - 1st Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate

Vote Summary

Question: On the Amendment (Cornyn Amdt. No. 1184, As Modified )
Vote Number: 187 Vote Date: June 6, 2007, 12:25 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Amendment Rejected
Amendment Number: S.Amdt. 1184 to S.Amdt. 1150 to to S. 1348 (Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 )
Statement of Purpose: To establish a permanent bar for gang members, terrorists, and other criminals.
Vote Counts: YEAs 46
NAYs 51
Not Voting 2
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State

Alphabetical by Senator Name
Akaka (D-HI), Nay
Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Allard (R-CO), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Nay
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Nay
Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Nay
Brown (D-OH), Nay
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bunning (R-KY), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Nay
Cardin (D-MD), Nay
Carper (D-DE), Nay
Casey (D-PA), Nay
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Nay
Coburn (R-OK), Not Voting
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Coleman (R-MN), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Corker (R-TN), Yea
Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
Craig (R-ID), Nay
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
DeMint (R-SC), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Nay
Dole (R-NC), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Nay
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Durbin (D-IL), Nay
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Nay
Graham (R-SC), Nay
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagel (R-NE), Nay
Harkin (D-IA), Nay
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Nay
Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Not Voting
Kennedy (D-MA), Nay
Kerry (D-MA), Nay
Klobuchar (D-MN), Nay
Kohl (D-WI), Nay
Kyl (R-AZ), Nay
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Nay
Leahy (D-VT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Nay
Lieberman (ID-CT), Nay
Lincoln (D-AR), Nay
Lott (R-MS), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Nay
Martinez (R-FL), Nay
McCain (R-AZ), Nay
McCaskill (D-MO), Nay
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Menendez (D-NJ), Nay
Mikulski (D-MD), Nay
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Nay
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Obama (D-IL), Nay
Pryor (D-AR), Nay
Reed (D-RI), Nay
Reid (D-NV), Nay
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Salazar (D-CO), Nay
Sanders (I-VT), Nay
Schumer (D-NY), Nay
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Nay
Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Sununu (R-NH), Yea
Tester (D-MT), Yea
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Nay
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Webb (D-VA), Nay
Whitehouse (D-RI), Nay
Wyden (D-OR), Nay


10 posted on 06/06/2007 2:24:07 PM PDT by YellowRoseofTx
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To: Baladas
” Democrats succeeded in pulling support from Cornyn’s proposal by winning adoption of a rival version that would bar a more limited set of criminals, including certain gang members and sex offenders, from gaining legalization. “

Bar “certain gang members”? Which sort of gang member illegal aliens are the Democrats fighting to give citizenship to?

11 posted on 06/06/2007 2:24:38 PM PDT by RavenATB
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To: RavenATB

This country will not survive as we know it if this bill, as its written, passes into law.

The current 20 million illegals will become 70 million in less than 20 years. The 70 million “citizens” will come from the ranks of illegals or the spawn of illegals, and become nearly 200 million in the second generation.

In 50 years they will THE majority voting block of “US citizens”...all of whom became part of this nation through illegal acts.

There’s how to shape the culture of the future.

Will the last illegal immigrant bastard please turn out the lights when you leave the court house (after being rewarded for your crimes)...the rule of law is finished.


12 posted on 06/06/2007 2:29:12 PM PDT by RavenATB
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To: devolve; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; dixiechick2000; Baladas; Grampa Dave; Milhous; george76; abb; ...
 



 
13 posted on 06/06/2007 2:35:32 PM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_))
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To: Thud

ping


14 posted on 06/06/2007 2:41:56 PM PDT by Dark Wing
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To: RavenATB

Bar “certain gang members”? Which sort of gang member illegal aliens are the Democrats fighting to give citizenship to?

any gang member who promises to vote Democrat, of course.


15 posted on 06/06/2007 2:58:25 PM PDT by motorola7
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To: Baladas

I understand that the bill includes building a wall/fence about 300 miles long? Heard on FoxNews this morning that McCain emphatically stated that there will be NO fence or wall construction.


16 posted on 06/06/2007 3:17:12 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: motorola7

“any gang member who promises to vote Democrat, of course.”

Why would the Democrats require a promise...don’t almost all violent criminals vote Democrat to begin with?


17 posted on 06/06/2007 3:18:28 PM PDT by RavenATB
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To: Baladas
They couldn't even vote for the Cornyn amendemnt?????

Yup. As the Xlintons would no doubt say...Not news. Move along, move along...

18 posted on 06/06/2007 3:20:05 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Baladas
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., alone among his party's presidential aspirants in backing the immigration measure, opposed Cornyn's bid and backed the Democratic alternative offered by Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass.

The Kennedy wing of the GOP strikes again!

19 posted on 06/06/2007 3:33:49 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! -Abe Lincoln)
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To: YellowRoseofTx

My senator was a one of the “traitors” Senator Lugar..Oh I wish we could “recally sitting Senators!


20 posted on 06/06/2007 3:34:02 PM PDT by JSDude1 (www.pence08.com.)
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To: RavenATB

“This country will not survive as we know it if this bill, as its written, passes into law.

The current 20 million illegals will become 70 million in less than 20 years. The 70 million “citizens” will come from the ranks of illegals or the spawn of illegals, and become nearly 200 million in the second generation.

In 50 years they will THE majority voting block of “US citizens”...all of whom became part of this nation through illegal acts.

There’s how to shape the culture of the future.”

A lot of our politicians could`nt care less, because in 50 years they will probably be dead. It`s about accumulating power in the short term. They don`t give a damn about the future of this country.


21 posted on 06/06/2007 3:36:03 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Baladas

LAUGHING STOCK! IT GOES BEYOND LAUGHING, IT’S DOWN RIGHT HILLARIOUS, That we, the American people put in to office to represent us, a bunch of determined, selfish, self rightious, feckless, idiological, pompous, A HOLES, Who are ignoring the American people when we say we want nothing to do with this bill. Lets make it simple for you.
CLOSE THE BORDERS
ENFORCE THE BORDERS WITH ARMED NATIONAL GUARDSMEN
ERECT THE FENCE YOU PROMISED
And then we can debate about what we should do with the illegals here. How’s that for a start! We’re surrounded by fools!


22 posted on 06/06/2007 3:40:11 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (I'd rather be hunting with dick than driving with ted)
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To: Baladas

Mexico will annex the US without firing a shot.


23 posted on 06/06/2007 3:44:19 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: YellowRoseofTx
Worst of the worst:
Question: On the Amendment (DeMint Amdt. No. 1197 )
Vote Number: 188 Vote Date: June 6, 2007, 02:04 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 
Vote Result: Amendment Rejected
Amendment Number: S.Amdt. 1197 to S.Amdt. 1150 to to S. 1348 (Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 )

Collins   R-ME     Nay
Domenici  R-NM     Nay
Graham    R-SC     Nay
Hagel     R-NE     Nay
Kyl       R-AZ     Nay
Lugar     R-IN     Nay
McCain    R-AZ     Nay
Specter   R-PA     Nay

24 posted on 06/06/2007 3:50:42 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: chessplayer

“Mexico will annex the US without firing a shot.”

Vincente “The Longshanks” Fox:

“...The problem with the United States of America is that its full of Americans.

If we cannot get them out, we’ll breed them out.”


25 posted on 06/06/2007 3:51:24 PM PDT by RavenATB
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To: YellowRoseofTx
Mostly the same folks--worst of the worst:

Question: On the Amendment (Cornyn Amdt. No. 1184, As Modified )
Vote Number: 187 Vote Date: June 6, 2007, 12:25 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Amendment Rejected
Amendment Number: S.Amdt. 1184 to S.Amdt. 1150 to to S. 1348 (Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 )
Statement of Purpose: To establish a permanent bar for gang members, terrorists, and other criminals.
Vote Counts: YEAs 46
NAYs 51

Coburn      R-OK      Not Voting
Craig       R-ID      Nay
Domenici    R-NM      Nay
Graham      R-SC      Nay
Hagel       R-NE      Nay
Kyl         R-AZ      Nay
Lugar       R-IN      Nay
Martinez    R-FL      Nay
McCain      R-AZ      Nay
Specter     R-PA      Nay
Voinovich   R-OH      Nay

26 posted on 06/06/2007 3:54:15 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: potlatch

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Good Post potlatch!


27 posted on 06/06/2007 3:55:23 PM PDT by devolve ( _Illegal_Aliens_Killed_25_Americans_Today _20_More_Than_Al-Qaeda_Did_ _Smoke_Gets_in_My_Eyes_)
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To: Baladas

Sanctuary cities like San Francisco ignore laws already on the books. Are the proponents of this bill actually stupid enough to think sanctuary cities are going to suddenly obey the new laws?


28 posted on 06/06/2007 3:55:51 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: devolve

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Thank you!


29 posted on 06/06/2007 3:59:34 PM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_))
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To: calcowgirl

I hope you are keeping track of these names for a future hit list.


30 posted on 06/06/2007 4:16:59 PM PDT by TommyDale (Rudy Giuliani’s candidacy is fading faster than an abortionist’s conscience.)
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To: TommyDale

It’s all in the Congressional Record.
(but no, I wasn’t planning on keeping a list... there are over 185 amendments to S.1348. I hit overload a while back, lol)


31 posted on 06/06/2007 4:23:49 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

It appears the NC Senators have listened to the voters. Nice refreshing change.


32 posted on 06/06/2007 4:39:17 PM PDT by TommyDale (Rudy Giuliani’s candidacy is fading faster than an abortionist’s conscience.)
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To: potlatch

nice work.

The new location of your name is excellent.


33 posted on 06/06/2007 5:09:08 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76; devolve

Thanks! That was the first time I did it in that manner and kindof like it too!

Lots of work making Osama walk!! Lol


34 posted on 06/06/2007 5:12:44 PM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_))
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To: potlatch

It is fun signing one’s name different ways.


35 posted on 06/06/2007 5:27:06 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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