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Police: Arrest Made In Kelsey Smith Homicide
Kansas City Channel ^ | 6/6/07

Posted on 06/06/2007 9:53:32 PM PDT by peggybac

OVERLAND PARK, Kan. -- An arrest has been made in the homicide investigation of 18-year-old Kelsey Smith.

Late Wednesday night, police said Edwin R. Hall, 26, of Olathe, was being held in the Johnson County Jail in connection with the slaying of Smith.

Law enforcement crews combing a large wooded area near Longview Lake Wednesday found a body believed to be missing teenager Kelsey Smith, who was abducted from an Overland Park Target store parking lot Saturday night.

Overland Park Police Chief John Douglass said Smith's body was found about 1:30 p.m. across the state line near Grandview, Mo., about 20 miles east of the abduction site.

Positive identification was pending, but Douglass said volunteer searchers could stop their work. He did not say how the woman was slain, but KMBC reported that there were signs of trauma to the body.

"As I understand she was found at a wooded area, but I can't say whether she was directly concealed by bushes," Douglass told reporters during an afternoon news conference.

(Excerpt) Read more at thekansascitychannel.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Kansas; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: edwinhall; kansas; kelseysmith
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To: Orange1998

You’re right about the myspace. That guy looks a lot older than the pic they just showed.


101 posted on 06/07/2007 9:12:17 AM PDT by IamHD
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To: devolve
Wrong booking photo. This is the Edwin Roy Hall arrested:


102 posted on 06/07/2007 9:14:33 AM PDT by SarahW
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To: Rte66

The eyebrows, sad eyes, and face shape look very similar to the composite of the suspect in the other girl’s disappearance. Yowza!


103 posted on 06/07/2007 9:22:55 AM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: MaxMax; Rte66

Can someone post the photo and composite side-by-side?


104 posted on 06/07/2007 9:26:35 AM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: Abigail Adams
The local NBC affiliate, NBC action news, has an entirely different booking photo for the man arrested. I don't know what caused the mix-up but the second photo, that is, the one shown by the news station, appears to be correct.
105 posted on 06/07/2007 9:29:23 AM PDT by SarahW
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To: SarahW

His eyes look dead. No soul.


106 posted on 06/07/2007 9:30:58 AM PDT by MJemison
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To: SarahW

OMG! That new photo is the creepiest thing, I can’t even look at it. Scary as all heck!


107 posted on 06/07/2007 9:31:07 AM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: devolve

That broad forehead he has would make for a nice target...


108 posted on 06/07/2007 9:40:21 AM PDT by Malacoda (A day without a pi$$ed-off muslim is like a day without sunshine.)
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To: Abigail Adams

109 posted on 06/07/2007 9:40:48 AM PDT by IamHD
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To: Saint Reagan
Wouldn't a short rope on a normal sized tree work better?

Depends on how you want to kill him.

You have the Short Drop, your preferred method.

You have your Standard Drop:
The standard drop, involves a drop of between four to six feet. It was considered an advance on the short drop because it was intended to be sufficient to break the person's neck, causing immediate paralysis and immobilization (and perhaps immediate unconsciousness).

Then we have the Long drop:
This process, also known as the measured drop, was introduced in 1872 by William Marwood. More scientific than the other two. Instead of everyone falling the same standard distance, the person's weight was used to determine how much slack would be provided in the rope so that the distance dropped would be enough to ensure that the neck was broken. Prior to 1892, the drop was between four and ten feet, depending on the weight of the body, and was calculated to deliver a force of 1,260 lbf, which fractured the neck at either the 2nd and 3rd or 4th and 5th cervical vertebrae. However, this force resulted in some decapitations.

110 posted on 06/07/2007 9:44:59 AM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Nothing witty here... move on.)
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To: IamHD
And:


111 posted on 06/07/2007 9:46:39 AM PDT by IamHD
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To: ichabod1

I would be curious what a person is supposed to do in her situation. She had put her bags into the back of the car and was getting in her car when this guy came running at her and shoved her. I don’t think she had a chance to kick or respond at all. There was no struggle. He just shoved, jumped in and took off.

I have two small girls and can barely breathe when I think about this. I’ve had to turn our talk radio off because I can’t bare to listen to it anymore.


112 posted on 06/07/2007 10:09:50 AM PDT by samiam1972 (http://imrunningforpresident.blogspot.com/)
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To: potlatch; PhilDragoo; ntnychik; dixiechick2000; Travis McGee; SarahW


Edwin R. Hall


400x300
640x480

113 posted on 06/07/2007 10:10:57 AM PDT by devolve ( _Illegal_Aliens_Killed_25_Americans_Today _20_More_Than_Al-Qaeda_Did_ _Smoke_Gets_in_My_Eyes_)
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To: Rte66

thx for the pic but that doesn’t like at all like the video guy.


114 posted on 06/07/2007 10:15:07 AM PDT by cherry
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To: SarahW

More like it....the other photo looked like Michael Stipe.


115 posted on 06/07/2007 10:18:14 AM PDT by billygoatgruff
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To: devolve

Yes, I believe I posted it to you first - on another thread!


116 posted on 06/07/2007 10:27:14 AM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_()_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_()_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_()_ooo_))
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To: potlatch

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Ah Haa!

I’ll go look!

Rape - Women murdered -

Sounds like the Arkasas Mafia Days


117 posted on 06/07/2007 10:31:04 AM PDT by devolve ( _Illegal_Aliens_Killed_25_Americans_Today _20_More_Than_Al-Qaeda_Did_ _Smoke_Gets_in_My_Eyes_)
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To: devolve

Ah Haa, you missed mine!


118 posted on 06/07/2007 10:35:27 AM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_()_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_()_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_()_ooo_))
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To: potlatch

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I just saw it and replied


119 posted on 06/07/2007 10:40:27 AM PDT by devolve ( _Illegal_Aliens_Killed_25_Americans_Today _20_More_Than_Al-Qaeda_Did_ _Smoke_Gets_in_My_Eyes_)
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To: peggybac

Great posts....I have a feeling that since grandview is in jackson county (the same county as kcmo), it would hit the city. This looks like it’s going to become a federal case (I’m guessing) because he took her across state line.


120 posted on 06/07/2007 10:44:22 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: All
The death penalty opponents love to talk about how barbaric or inhumane execution is.

If you think about it, in a case like this the death penalty is incredibly merciful and humane compared to what he deserves. In fact I think there is no kind of torture no matter how sadistic or extreme that would in any way be adequate punishment.
The horror of this poor girls last minutes alive is simply inconceivable. The pure evil that could do such a thing is icomprehesible.
No punishment we could devise would be adequate. If there were even the smallest amount of justice in the world this
creature would not have another second of life that was not filled with intense excruciating pain.

121 posted on 06/07/2007 10:49:44 AM PDT by Jonah Johansen ("Coming soon to a neighborhood near you")
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To: IamHD

I know they used photo enhancement of the video at target...but wow, the enhancement didn’t give me a very good impression on what I thought he would look like. Too bad the videos had to be black and white.


122 posted on 06/07/2007 10:49:54 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: samiam1972

I don’t mean to say anything about her personally. Just that we can know, we can plan, we can intend, and in the event all of that may not do us any good. I’m sick too.


123 posted on 06/07/2007 10:53:07 AM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: All
Criminal Complaint in pdf form:

Complaint 6 pages

2 more photos of killer:

Pics & information found here: (his wife is a "witness" and according to someone, he apparently has a young son)

Info

124 posted on 06/07/2007 10:54:57 AM PDT by IamHD
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To: IggyPopAmen

“My girls are in college now but I still worry about them as much as I did when they were five. Will that level of concern ever subside?”

NO! My daughter is 27 and married, and I still worry about her! I think I worried more when she became a teen and more independent because I couldn’t watch over her like I did when she was little. My daughter was a good student and a good girl. I guess I worried about what might happen to her, like this poor girl. My grandma said that when your children are little, you have little worries; when your children get big, you have big worries. She was right!
I pray a lot!


125 posted on 06/07/2007 10:58:35 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
I was thinking the same thing, but if you know the person...it's probably easier to say "yeah, that's the guy." He also had a distinctive walk. Kinda flat-footed, feet pointing outwards....like a duck.

See my #124, (i think,) more info.

126 posted on 06/07/2007 11:00:08 AM PDT by IamHD
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To: IamHD

That’s true about his walk.

I thought for sure he was going to be around 18-21yrs.

thanks for the info and link.


127 posted on 06/07/2007 11:05:26 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: samiam1972; ichabod1

My friends and I were speculating as to whether he may have knocked her out when he shoved her in the car. Her friends (or family, not sure which) said she wouldn’t have gone without a fight. I guess we’ll find out when the “details” are revealed.


128 posted on 06/07/2007 11:07:00 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: IamHD

He looks fricken’ stoned in both photos. Soused and mean.

Neighbors reportedly are shocked, they were a “nice seeming little family” that didn’t cause trouble. I wonder what his wife will have to say.


129 posted on 06/07/2007 11:08:21 AM PDT by SarahW
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To: samiam1972
samiam1972 said: "I would be curious what a person is supposed to do in her situation. "

I can think of two issues that need to be addressed.

The first is situational awareness. Color-coding is used to describe the degree of mental awareness that one is exercising with respect to their surroundings and possible threats. "Condition White", I believe, describes a person who is completely distracted by their own activities and wouldn't notice an attacker waiting nearby for an opportunity to pounce.

The second issue is that people need to act on the information that they get when they ARE aware of a potential threat. People will fail to act on a threat because they fear giving offense, being rude, or are embarrassed by their own, possibly mistaken, assessment of risk.

If the attacked girl had observed her surroundings carefully before unlocking her car, she might have spotted the attacker. He might just have been "loitering" without apparent cause, but that should be enough to cause the girl to take some evasive action.

As another poster commented, she could have thrown her car keys away from her so that her own car could not be used to abduct her. The distance to the attacker's car then becomes critical ground on which she needs to fight.

130 posted on 06/07/2007 11:10:54 AM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~

You’re welcome! :)


131 posted on 06/07/2007 11:13:50 AM PDT by IamHD
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To: SarahW
From his wife's myspace:

Your Fears: Snakes Spiders and Rape

132 posted on 06/07/2007 11:15:20 AM PDT by IamHD
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To: Rte66
How different he looks from the picture found here.
133 posted on 06/07/2007 11:19:31 AM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Evil never sleeps.)
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To: IamHD
Thanks for the info & link.

Does everyone have a MySpace? Geez.

134 posted on 06/07/2007 11:22:01 AM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Nothing witty here... move on.)
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To: Lurking in Kansas

I don’t have one, don’t need one, don’t want one.


135 posted on 06/07/2007 11:25:59 AM PDT by IamHD
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To: IIntense

That’s great, but in my daughter’s case I know that there are two registered sex offenders living in the mobile home park where she and her family live. One is just 6 mobile homes down from hers.

Last night I checked out familywatchdog.us and discovered 15 more living within a 2 miles radius and 3 in the little bitty town where the babysitter lives.

I think I’ll continue to remind her from time to time....as usual.


136 posted on 06/07/2007 11:32:18 AM PDT by abigailsmybaby (I was born with nothing. So far I have most of it left.)
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To: MaxMax

Teach them to yell “Kidnapper”. Otherwise people will turn their heads
thinking it’s a family issue.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I think that’s a very good idea...


137 posted on 06/07/2007 11:32:21 AM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: IamHD

Yeah, I found his wife’s site too. Geez, these kids are way to o personal online.


138 posted on 06/07/2007 11:33:12 AM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Nothing witty here... move on.)
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To: peggybac

http//www.myspace.com/97922785

KILLER’S MY Space Page


139 posted on 06/07/2007 11:47:40 AM PDT by DvdMom (Impeach Nifong -)
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To: DvdMom

Correction

KILLERS MY Space

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile+friendid=97922785


140 posted on 06/07/2007 11:51:17 AM PDT by DvdMom (Impeach Nifong -)
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To: DvdMom

Links not working


141 posted on 06/07/2007 11:52:34 AM PDT by DvdMom (Impeach Nifong -)
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To: DvdMom

Anything interesting there?


142 posted on 06/07/2007 11:53:09 AM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: Abigail Adams

His myspace address

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cf...iendid=97922785

dont ask me why they call him Jack


143 posted on 06/07/2007 11:55:48 AM PDT by DvdMom (Impeach Nifong -)
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To: IamHD

Is her page still up? I thought I had found it, based on her name in the witness list via the site you linked to ( the blog that linked to the photos you posted).

Does it now have the quote “if you can’t be a good example, you’ll just have to be a terrible warning”?

Or am I looking at the wrong myspace page?


144 posted on 06/07/2007 11:56:37 AM PDT by SarahW
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To: Abigail Adams

His Wife’s my Space Page , She says her biggest fear is getting raped , snakes , & Spiders .

The Killers Favorite Movie is Clockwork Orange .

The Killer States he like to kill animals , etc...


145 posted on 06/07/2007 11:58:55 AM PDT by DvdMom (Impeach Nifong -)
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To: DvdMom

I’m scared to go there, LOL!


146 posted on 06/07/2007 11:59:24 AM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: Abigail Adams

The link isn’t working but if you go to the CourtV Forums Under Kelsey Smith Killer Arrested the myspace links work there ....


147 posted on 06/07/2007 12:00:32 PM PDT by DvdMom (Impeach Nifong -)
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To: IamHD

Never mind, sorry to bother... I found her real page now.


148 posted on 06/07/2007 12:02:20 PM PDT by SarahW
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To: ichabod1
young people weren't be young people if they thought like a lot of us old farts.....

our society is stealing childhood and now its stealing away the joy, passion, ambition for teenagers...the very things we LIKE about them.....

why don't we put all the creeps away first and let the innocents have their day in the sun....

149 posted on 06/07/2007 12:15:21 PM PDT by cherry
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To: DvdMom

Would you mind posting the link to the wife’s myspace page? I checked courttv but couldn’t find the link...any help would be appreciated.


150 posted on 06/07/2007 12:20:56 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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