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Police: Arrest Made In Kelsey Smith Homicide
Kansas City Channel ^ | 6/6/07

Posted on 06/06/2007 9:53:32 PM PDT by peggybac

OVERLAND PARK, Kan. -- An arrest has been made in the homicide investigation of 18-year-old Kelsey Smith.

Late Wednesday night, police said Edwin R. Hall, 26, of Olathe, was being held in the Johnson County Jail in connection with the slaying of Smith.

Law enforcement crews combing a large wooded area near Longview Lake Wednesday found a body believed to be missing teenager Kelsey Smith, who was abducted from an Overland Park Target store parking lot Saturday night.

Overland Park Police Chief John Douglass said Smith's body was found about 1:30 p.m. across the state line near Grandview, Mo., about 20 miles east of the abduction site.

Positive identification was pending, but Douglass said volunteer searchers could stop their work. He did not say how the woman was slain, but KMBC reported that there were signs of trauma to the body.

"As I understand she was found at a wooded area, but I can't say whether she was directly concealed by bushes," Douglass told reporters during an afternoon news conference.

(Excerpt) Read more at thekansascitychannel.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Kansas; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: edwinhall; kansas; kelseysmith
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
This looks like it’s going to become a federal case (I’m guessing) because he took her across state line.

It should become a Federal case under the circumstances.
I would prefer a federal court for this crime.

201 posted on 06/07/2007 6:19:40 PM PDT by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: Halls

We know that now - but it was the one that was put up last night on the jocosheriff.org site. I had no reason to think it was wrong at the time, except that it didn’t look like the video.


202 posted on 06/07/2007 6:44:43 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Non-Sequitur
Great! One less murdering pig on our streets. Question is, will they keep him or let him out after a slap on the wrist to kill another child?????

With all the visibility this has had? The guy is toast.

I have seen it happen plenty of times before with "visible" cases like this and worse. The laws were set up to protect them, not the victim.
203 posted on 06/07/2007 7:02:15 PM PDT by WasDougsLamb (What part of "ILLEGAL" don't you comprehend?!)
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To: peggybac

Look what of society has brought us they should give their opinion what concern do have for victims of crime?

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204 posted on 06/07/2007 8:01:10 PM PDT by CurlyQ
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To: CurlyQ
I think I'd rather watch that flashing Olympics commercial!

Leni

205 posted on 06/07/2007 8:03:28 PM PDT by MinuteGal (The Left can only win by deceit. Keep informed as your weapon of choice.)
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To: Marysecretary

Mary,

More than one program on cable tonight is putting out that he has a JUVENILE history. And they can’t get their hands on it because of the sealing of juvenile records. “Privacy” issues.

Reminds me of that sicko who killed all the VT victims. His mental problem wasn’t put in the database for gun buyers because of “privacy” issues.


206 posted on 06/07/2007 8:09:48 PM PDT by txrangerette (Congressman Duncan Hunter for POTUS...check him out!!)
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To: DakotaRed

The Dad, if he is the type of man I believe, should get 5 monutes alone with the creep in a lcoked windowless room.

Then, put whatever is left of him on trial.”

Rewrite: Then put whatever is left of him into a pauper’s grave. There, that’s better.


207 posted on 06/07/2007 8:14:54 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: dragnet2

The story didn’t seem clear. The image of the young man exiting the store is not the suspect in custody, right?

Am I correct to assume he is still being sought as a person of interest?”

My local TV stations are inferring that the image of the guy in the white T-shirt is the perp. He was following her in the store...and then out to her car.


208 posted on 06/07/2007 8:16:28 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: samiam1972
samiam1972 said: "I guess I am just showing the lack of my ability to defend myself in an instance such as this. Maybe I’ll take a self defense class with my daughter. "

My daughter took a self-defense class here in Kalifornia. There are lots of things that a person can do to defeat an attacker. I was concerned that the class made no mention of carrying a concealed firearm. That's just not politically correct in much of this state.

Kansas, I believe, has just implemented a "shall issue" concealed carry law.

It is certainly the case that the abducted girl would have been no worse off had she been armed. It takes will to shoot somebody, just like it takes will to gouge out one of their eyes, or kick them in the groin or the shin.

Those of us who have been in the military have an advantage over others in that we have had to seriously consider taking another person's life in order to preserve ours. This is a key mental decision. You have to decide that the protection of self or daughter fully justifies your use of force and that YOU will use that force.

I just recently helped my adult daughter implement a home-defense plan featuring a short-barreled shotgun. We did live fire at a private range and I had her practice her response to a threat. My hope is that she will fight just like she trained if the need ever arises. If she can obtain even two seconds of advantage, she will completely ruin the day of a determined attacker.

209 posted on 06/07/2007 8:37:24 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: ridesthemiles

The image of the young man exiting the store IS the suspect in custody. Edwin Hall is his name. His booking photo is in this thread.

A neighbor tipped police after he and his wife joked about the “target” man looking like their neighbor - they stopped laughing when the picture of the truck associated with the crime was shown. Edwin Hall’s pickup was a ringer. So they called the cops. Within a short time police picked up Mr. Hall, and they interviewed him....arresting him at the end of the interview.


210 posted on 06/07/2007 8:55:23 PM PDT by SarahW
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To: samiam1972
samiam1972 said: "Maybe I’ll take a self defense class with my daughter."

I would not underestimate the value of the awareness skills that I mentioned in a prior posting.

There is a saying in the pro-gun community, "The first rule of gun-fighting is to have a gun". But even more important is another saying, "If you have a choice about whether to go to a gunfight or not, DON'T GO!".

All the preparation for fighting, whether armed or not, is irrelevant if one manages to avoid the fight. That is what situational awareness can do. Similarly, most posters on FreeRepublic are probably in the very low risk category when it comes to being victims of crime.

We tend to live, work, shop, and play in relatively safe locations. We get significant crime-prevention benefit from avoiding life-style choices that would increase risk; such as doing drugs, or abusing alcohol, or supplementing our incomes through burglary.

Anti-gunners are fond of basing their decisions on lurid reports of children being injured by finding a loaded gun. But last I heard, swimming pools kill ten to a hundred times more often.

What happened to the abducted girl may not be the most significant risk to you and yours. How safe is your car in a collision? Do you all wear seatbelts?

Do you have a fire extinquisher in your kitchen? Do your children have two safe exits from their bedrooms in case of a fire? Do your kids know how to dial 9-1-1? (I have read of kids barely able to speak who have brought medical help to a parent by knowing this.)

Are your children's vaccinations up to date? How about the pets?

What do you really know about your baby-sitter?

I'm not trying to scare you. Just trying to provide some perspective.

211 posted on 06/07/2007 9:05:51 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: DvdMom

Thank you so much..I didn’t even realize her link was on his page.


212 posted on 06/07/2007 10:10:50 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: MaxMax

me too! I’m praying that “someone” will upgrade it.

I completely believe, and am thinking we should push for a amber alert system for 18-24 yr olds, but with some differences. IE:”Missing under extremely/highly suspicious circumstances, such as abandoned car/purse etc..” Anything to limit false alarms and to increase police/media help, while reducing the stress of the family/volunteers who currently have to be the ones to bear the weight of making the missing person “be in the headlines” so to speak. They have enough to deal with...


213 posted on 06/07/2007 10:35:51 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: William Tell
"There is a saying in the pro-gun community, "The first rule of gun-fighting is to have a gun". But even more important is another saying, "If you have a choice about whether to go to a gunfight or not, DON'T GO!" .

All the preparation for fighting, whether armed or not, is irrelevant if one manages to avoid the fight. That is what situational awareness can do. Similarly, most posters on FreeRepublic are probably in the very low risk category when it comes to being victims of crime.

We tend to live, work, shop, and play in relatively safe locations. We get significant crime-prevention benefit from avoiding life-style choices that would increase risk; such as doing drugs, or abusing alcohol, or supplementing our incomes through burglary. Anti-gunners are fond of basing their decisions on lurid reports of children being injured by finding a loaded gun.?

Excellent points! self-protection and careful decisions just CAN'T be emphasized enough.... God Bless

214 posted on 06/07/2007 10:43:02 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: MaxMax

http://www.kctv5.com/Global/story.asp?S=6606183

By MARIA SUDEKUM FISHER
Associated Press Writer

OLATHE, Kan. (AP) — Johnson County District Attorney Phill Kline said Thursday he would consider seeking the death penalty against a man charged in the kidnap and murder of a teenager whose body was found three days after she was abducted from a Target store parking lot.

Kline said it was unclear if the case would be tried in state or federal court. But he said the death penalty would be a possibility in either jurisdiction.

“If we believe the crime is severe enough, and we do in this case, we will go to the jurisdiction that provides the most severe penalty,” Kline said. “The discussions continue almost around the clock.”


215 posted on 06/07/2007 11:01:35 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: SarahW

From one of the KC papers:

” ... Neighbor Sonya Bruce said she sold her father’s old truck to Hall just a few weeks ago. She believes it’s that same truck on the Target surveillance video police have linked to Smith’s abduction.

“Normal guy, he seemed a friendly guy,” Bruce said. “He introduced himself as Eddie to us, Edwin never came across my mind until this morning.” ...”


216 posted on 06/07/2007 11:05:29 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: DvdMom

Parents were on Larry King too. Toward the end of the interview dad said they had went to a carnival or some such not too long ago and remembering that he started to lose it. I lost it after that. Larry King looked like he was trying very hard to hold back from getting emotional.


217 posted on 06/08/2007 2:58:03 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: WasDougsLamb
I have seen it happen plenty of times before with "visible" cases like this and worse. The laws were set up to protect them, not the victim.

Not in this case. The visibility is so high and the impact on the Kansas side is so political that this guy is going to get whatever maximum the law allows. If not the death penalty they life without parole. He's had his last meal on the outside of prison.

218 posted on 06/08/2007 3:50:53 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: peggybac; All

Nice video tribute of Kelsey Smith and Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdl2FUmRrpU&mode=related&search=


219 posted on 06/08/2007 4:07:37 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: Non-Sequitur
As I said, I have seen it happen plenty of times before with "visible" cases like this and worse. The laws were set up to protect them, not the victim. If he gets whats coming to him , great.
220 posted on 06/08/2007 4:46:31 AM PDT by WasDougsLamb (What part of "ILLEGAL" don't you comprehend?!)
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To: All

Found something very strange just now. Aletha’s parents have owned that house they live in (on N. Lincoln St in Olathe) for at least 13 years, so it had to have been her childhood home at some point.

I had gotten the impression it was just someplace “Jack” and Le had just found and moved into. There appears to also be a brother of hers who lives there or has lived there recently.

Well, her parents’s, David and Madeline’s, mortgage on the house was foreclosed on as of May 15th and papers (I assume eviction) were served on both parents and the tenant in the home, Aletha Hall, on Tues, June 5!
As if *this* isn’t the worst week of her life already.


221 posted on 06/08/2007 5:17:02 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: WasDougsLamb
So shall we dispense with a trial and just hang him out of hand?
222 posted on 06/08/2007 5:27:06 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Marysecretary
Was this animal just hanging around Target to kill someone or did he know in advance about Kelsey. I guess I am wondering if he knew her at all?
223 posted on 06/08/2007 5:29:01 AM PDT by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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To: CurlyQ

Look what of society has brought us they should give their opinion what concern do have for victims of crime?

Ben Afflack: “none”
Ed Asner: “none”
Danny Glover: “none”
Chevy Chase: “none”
Martin Sheen: “none”
Sean Penn: “none”
Mike Farrell: “none”
Tim Robbins: “none”
Susan Sarandon: “none”
Whoopi GOldberg: “none”


224 posted on 06/08/2007 5:29:45 AM PDT by CurlyQ
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To: Rte66

The eviction notice would probably be kind of hard on Mr. Hall’s self-image - a triggering stressor event.

How better to reclaim one’s manhood than to stalk, kidnap and exert power over the life and death of a beautiful girl who would otherwise have little to do with you?


225 posted on 06/08/2007 6:24:31 AM PDT by SarahW
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To: SarahW

It would definitely seem to be a trigger. I’m also kind of half-wondering if maybe we’re looking at Travelers or Gypsies here.


226 posted on 06/08/2007 6:44:24 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
“If we believe the crime is severe enough, and we do in this case,
we will go to the jurisdiction that provides the most severe penalty,”

Justice must be served..

227 posted on 06/08/2007 7:03:21 AM PDT by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: Rte66

I haven’t done a local records search on Aletha, so don’t know if I could pick up the foreclosure details in a local courts search. Did you run across the foreclosure info in a blog or news story or a records search?

Speaking of “travelers” I think I was just visited by one, trolling the neighborhood looking for easy targets. Hard work to get rid of him, and I am left feeling rather uneasy. Red flags galore, and wouldn’t take a plain, direct no for an answer.

What makes you think travelers or gypsies are part of the picture here? The frequent moves?


228 posted on 06/08/2007 8:39:51 AM PDT by SarahW
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To: Rte66

Well, my own search is a bust. Kansas charges for access to district court records. Boo and nay, and even if I wanted to pay and subscribe to online records, there is no online process for becoming a subscriber.

So, any tip to the forclosure info would be greatly appreciated.


229 posted on 06/08/2007 8:52:50 AM PDT by SarahW
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To: Rte66

Do you have a link to the story with the neighbor who sold him the truck? I can’t believe she said he seemed normal and friendly. Just look at his booking photo...yikes!


230 posted on 06/08/2007 8:54:02 AM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: Rte66
Hi Rte66,

On Greta's show last night, someone (can't remember who it was) stated that the killer's juvenile record was sealed, of course, but that there was some "pretty heavy" stuff in the record. Any idea what would be considered "pretty heavy?"
I'm pretty sure that his juvi records can be unsealed because of this crime, but not sure if the public would have access to it.

Also, Greta, (don't know why, morbid curiosity??) asked this guy what the cause of death was, and he said that Kelsey had been strangled. Isn't that considered a very personal way of murdering someone?

231 posted on 06/08/2007 9:02:38 AM PDT by IamHD
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To: SarahW

Yeah, the frequent moves and the pattern of evictions, fairly young marriage, “appearance of normalcy” covering bad deeds, just things like that. It’s just a gut feeling, nothing I can put my finger on directly.

Found the foreclosure in local records:

http://www.jococourts.org/index.aspx


232 posted on 06/08/2007 12:00:45 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Abigail Adams

http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=3432613&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1


233 posted on 06/08/2007 12:05:07 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: IamHD

Yes, it is considered “personal” - but also is most common with sexual assault crimes.

I didn’t see Greta, but heard the same info on the sealed juvie records - I have no idea what the heavy stuff is, but am thinking rape or some type of assault.

What I couldn’t figure out was why that pattern might have stopped. He married at age 19, so maybe that was a deterrent - or it’s a cover of some kind.

Just the moving, moving, moving around so much might have covered up something.


234 posted on 06/08/2007 12:10:35 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66
Check this out, Rte66:

Posted on Fri, Jun. 08,

Suspect was convicted of knife threat as juvenile

By DIANE CARROLL and LAURA BAUER
The Kansas City Star

The Olathe man accused of murdering Kelsey Smith of
Overland Park was convicted in juvenile court of
threatening his sister at knifepoint when he was 15,
according to court records.

Edwin R. Hall, 26, pleaded no contest to aggravated
assault in the incident that occurred on May 14, 1996, in
Emporia, according to Lyon County District Court records.
He was removed from his adoptive home after
entering his plea about two weeks later.

More here:

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/story/142105.html

235 posted on 06/08/2007 1:24:53 PM PDT by IamHD
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To: IamHD

Oh, my. Thanks for the link. He was released July 1999 and got married Feb 2000. I wonder how much Aletha knew about all that.

I notice it said his adoptive family - no wonder I’m having such a hard time finding info on him, besides his teen years all spent in juvie.

His poor little boy!


236 posted on 06/08/2007 2:07:22 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: IamHD

Oh, I also read last night that the strangulation of Kelsey was by ligature, not just manual. No other clues as to what type of ligature.

I know some people had been speculating he might have had some of those plastic ties with him - seeing as how he was fairly skimpily dressed when seen on the video leaving Target and going to Kelsey’s car.

The thinking was that that could have been how he subdued her quickly, using them as handcuffs. He very well could have been concealing a knife, too, now that we know that was once his M.O.


237 posted on 06/08/2007 2:13:50 PM PDT by Rte66
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"His poor little boy!"

I know it, and Hall has probably been bubbling inside for a long time....scary. Also, I wonder to which dad he refers to as (the bastard) on his myspace page? hmmmm, here's a screenshot that someone saved:

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=535362695&size=l

238 posted on 06/08/2007 2:15:44 PM PDT by IamHD
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In addition to being released from the juvenile detention programs in July 1999, according to an earlier story, he also:

” ... Hall was arrested once by Wichita police in 1999 for shooting a gun near North High School and charged with discharging a firearm at a dwelling and two vehicles. ...”

He was later convicted on that charge in June 2001.


239 posted on 06/08/2007 2:23:35 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: IamHD

Thanks. Every time I see that page (which I can’t read, BTW, because of the black type - could barely read it when it was in the original - had to highlight it all with my mouse), I am struck by the resemblance of his and Aletha’s “friend” Michelle to Kelsey, even tho the friend wears glasses.


240 posted on 06/08/2007 2:27:45 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66
Oh, wow, just like little JonBenet...he didn't have a lot of time, so he obviously planned this. It could have been any girl, and I think that maybe he was driving and on some sort of "mission" and spotted poor Kelsey at a redlight or stop sign maybe and followed her. Maybe acting out some fantasy or something. I wonder what is on the family computer? Wow, Aletha's been using it, so the authorities don't have it, yet. Have you heard anything about a search warrant?

Maybe he & his wife were into kinky stuff with role-playing...not sure. Here's a cached site of Aletha's where she fears rape.

cached site

241 posted on 06/08/2007 2:27:58 PM PDT by IamHD
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To: Rte66

It is VERY hard to read. I also highlight it so that I can read it.


242 posted on 06/08/2007 2:29:20 PM PDT by IamHD
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To: Rte66

Whoa, I didn’t see that! Then Aletha would have known of his obvious violent ‘issues’, if you want to call them that!


243 posted on 06/08/2007 2:32:29 PM PDT by IamHD
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To: IamHD

They said last night they would be seeking more warrants today, so I’m sure the computer was on there - they probably went to the house today. Maybe we’ll hear.


244 posted on 06/08/2007 2:33:14 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: IamHD

Here’s even more - his adoptive family got him when he was 7, but had to give up on him at 15 because of his violent nature - and he also was accused of an attack in 2002!

http://www.kansas.com/457/story/91075.html


245 posted on 06/08/2007 2:44:53 PM PDT by Rte66
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Kelsey Smith was a Christian...RIP sweet child.

My sister works at the church where the Smiths attend. It is a very, very conservative religious church.


246 posted on 06/08/2007 3:03:39 PM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: Rte66

I have no doubt that he probably tortured small animals. I still think that he has killed other girls before. He’s one scary guy.


247 posted on 06/08/2007 3:16:50 PM PDT by IamHD
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To: peggybac
It's HORRIBLE that Kelsey had to run into that killer!

She sounds like a wonderful young lady. My thoughts and prayers to her friends and family. :(

248 posted on 06/08/2007 3:19:34 PM PDT by IamHD
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To: Rte66

All I can find is a couple of judgments, no forclosure records
Where did you find the foreclosure records? I am not having any luck on my own.


249 posted on 06/08/2007 3:37:55 PM PDT by SarahW
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To: SarahW

At the link I gave earlier:

http://www.jococourts.org/index.aspx

Put Hallowell in Last Name
Put David in as First Name, if you want - not really needed
Then click the “Civil” button
Then click “Partial Name Search”
Scroll down to “WACHOVIA BANK NA VS HALLOWELL,ET AL”


250 posted on 06/08/2007 3:55:34 PM PDT by Rte66
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