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Police: Arrest Made In Kelsey Smith Homicide
Kansas City Channel ^ | 6/6/07

Posted on 06/06/2007 9:53:32 PM PDT by peggybac

OVERLAND PARK, Kan. -- An arrest has been made in the homicide investigation of 18-year-old Kelsey Smith.

Late Wednesday night, police said Edwin R. Hall, 26, of Olathe, was being held in the Johnson County Jail in connection with the slaying of Smith.

Law enforcement crews combing a large wooded area near Longview Lake Wednesday found a body believed to be missing teenager Kelsey Smith, who was abducted from an Overland Park Target store parking lot Saturday night.

Overland Park Police Chief John Douglass said Smith's body was found about 1:30 p.m. across the state line near Grandview, Mo., about 20 miles east of the abduction site.

Positive identification was pending, but Douglass said volunteer searchers could stop their work. He did not say how the woman was slain, but KMBC reported that there were signs of trauma to the body.

"As I understand she was found at a wooded area, but I can't say whether she was directly concealed by bushes," Douglass told reporters during an afternoon news conference.

(Excerpt) Read more at thekansascitychannel.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Kansas; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: edwinhall; kansas; kelseysmith
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To: IamHD

He may have, that’s for sure. I’m very curious to find out about the home he came from originally - perhaps a family where both parents were incarcerated, which put him in state custody.

Also wonder if his birth father or whoever he had been taken away from was the one he referred to as the mean one, rather than his adoptive one.

OTOH, if he had “no memory” of putting a knife to his sister, immediately after it happened, then he may not have much memory of his early childhood, either - other than what’s in his genes’ memory, that is.

I’m still kind of put-out over his wife’s glowing MySpace narratives of their happy family life, when it’s obvious all these other bad things continued after he married her.

I also wondered where the little boy was when the two of them were seen riding the new motorcycle all around the neighborhood during the early part of the day Saturday. Hopefully, he was with the neighbor and his little boy.


251 posted on 06/08/2007 4:05:04 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: All

Still pondering some of this ... I wonder if his “real name” was Jack before he was adopted.


252 posted on 06/08/2007 4:12:43 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: angcat

I have no idea. It could just have been a random attack.


253 posted on 06/08/2007 4:31:30 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: IamHD

RE: Search Warrant(s)

A poster on another forum heard on their local KC news that the search warrant for Hall’s home has been executed today and that investigators continue to bring out bags of evidence, including a “caged animal.”

They have also served a search warrant at “Hall’s brother-in-law’s” house. That would possibly be Glenn Hallowell, who I noticed lives elsewhere in Olathe. The brother named Dennis had the same Lincoln St. address as the elder Hallowells and Edwin/Jack and Aletha.

They also said that the ME (Medical Examiner) had been called to the home and that is very unusual.

I hate to say this, but I had been thinking last night that someone should check to see where Aletha’s parents are, since we haven’t “heard” from them in this and that is their house - and we know that money is tight and yet, Edwin/Jack and Aletha/Le had a new motorcycle last weekend. Just sayin’.


254 posted on 06/08/2007 4:33:53 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: txrangerette

This privacy stuff goes too far sometimes. I had tried to find out over the phone how my brother was (in the hospital in serious condition) and they wouldn’t tell me. He was in FL and I was in NY. This juvenile record should be unsealed in cases like this one. Grrrrr.


255 posted on 06/08/2007 4:34:25 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: peggybac
My seventeen year old daughter will be staring Haganah training next week.

Her only other option is to remain at home for the rest of her life and have me drive her around to wherever she wants to go.

256 posted on 06/08/2007 4:35:15 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Rte66

What about the other Edwin Hall, Edwin Keith Hall to be exact, listed in Olathe, age 51? Is that the adoptive parent that gave up on him? Haven’t heard from that side of the family either. Maybe they washed their hands of any hint of connection to this sicko.


257 posted on 06/08/2007 4:38:29 PM PDT by txrangerette (Congressman Duncan Hunter for POTUS...check him out!!)
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To: txrangerette

I haven’t read all the posts so sorry if this is a duplicate. Aren’t the adoptive parents from the Emporia area?


258 posted on 06/08/2007 4:41:11 PM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: peggybac

Here’s a good article from the Emporia Gazette:

http://www.emporiagazette.com/news/2007/jun/08/suspect_former_emporian/


259 posted on 06/08/2007 4:42:32 PM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: peggybac; Rte66

I don’t know anything about the adoptive parents. A couple days ago Rte66 and I exchanged the fact that we had uncovered an Edwin K Hall in the Olathe are, and I said maybe it’s this guy’s dad or uncle. Age was given as 51. That was before I heard he was adopted. So I was asking Rte a question about it.


260 posted on 06/08/2007 4:45:50 PM PDT by txrangerette (Congressman Duncan Hunter for POTUS...check him out!!)
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To: peggybac

Shocking story. He DID have people try to offer him love and a different life, he just rejected it. Sad.


261 posted on 06/08/2007 4:48:50 PM PDT by tioga (Fred Thompson for President.)
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To: Rte66
"I hate to say this, but I had been thinking last night that someone should check to see where Aletha’s parents are, since we haven’t “heard” from them in this and that is their house - and we know that money is tight and yet, Edwin/Jack and Aletha/Le had a new motorcycle last weekend. Just sayin’.

Whoa....are you thinking that maybe they offed the parents?

I read on Aletha's myspace that she is from Texas, but you're right, there is little mention of her parents other than them being so far away, makes their relationship better. Something to that effect. Strange that a ME would come to the house unless there is a dead body someplace?

262 posted on 06/08/2007 4:58:08 PM PDT by IamHD
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To: IamHD
Just thought of two weird thoughts and then I'll stop my wild imagination.

Aletha said she worked in an insurance office, and Karla Holmolka/Paul Bernardo comes to mind. Now I'll stop. :)

263 posted on 06/08/2007 5:09:36 PM PDT by IamHD
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To: txrangerette

I left him as a “question mark?” because there is some overlap, but it might also be some errors in the databases, where they mixed the two (”K” and “R”) up. I’ll go back when I get a chance and try to clear it up.

You’ve probably seen by now that his adoptive father was named Donald D. Hall and his mother Carol J. Hall and they haven’t seen him in several years.

I don’t think his original name was Hall, either - as in a birth father being a relative - because they claimed to have found out about him in the newspaper before putting in to try to adopt him.


264 posted on 06/08/2007 5:25:01 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: IamHD

I found her in TX births - had narrowed it down to two Alethas born in Aug 1981 and was in process of trying to eliminate one or the other, when a story this morning confirmed that the Hallowell one was correct.

Then I found parents and followed the bread crumb trail. They don’t have any other current address anywhere other than the 511 N. Lincoln St in Olathe.

Now, it could be that they are retired and traveling, like going around the country in an RV or something, ya know? I didn’t mean to sound *quite* so alarmist - just that the ME thing played into my earlier fears, plus the SW for the BIL’s house.

They (the parents) had a company at one time, also at that address, called the New World Tea & Herb Company, which went defunct in 2003, as far as its KS registry and their ownership, but appears to be a viable company in Ann Arbor, MI. Don’t know if it’s the same one, like they sold it, or just a coincidence.

There are Hallowell family members in several of the towns Aletha referred to - such as Walthill, NE - looks like maybe paternal grandparents live or lived there, so they may have lived with them for a while. Same with Sioux City suburbs and with Wichita suburbs.

So far, I’ve found two brothers and a sister, plus assorted SIL’s, but none of the siblings were born in TX, so I am flying blind on that. I had originally thought “someone in the natural gas production business,” because of the moves from New Mexico to Texas to Kansas to Nebraska, but now I don’t think so.

She was apparently born in Dallas County (TX) and they lived in Arlington. I have more notes, but would need to organize them to post - and I’m eating dinner at the keyboard, lol.


265 posted on 06/08/2007 5:38:29 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Non-Sequitur
Thanks for your opinion on this subject and you have a nice day.
266 posted on 06/08/2007 5:44:33 PM PDT by WasDougsLamb (What part of "ILLEGAL" don't you comprehend?!)
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To: peggybac; All

Thanks to all posters/linkers/researchers. My wife was curious about this story (is recovering after surgery) and is angry about the DBM 24/7 Paris Hilton garbage. I will send her the link to this thread (after informing her that FReepers are on top of the story).


267 posted on 06/08/2007 6:00:44 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Rte66

Thanks for the Hallowell tip, and the other research you have done.

What I guess the Medical examiner is doing at the house, is looking for instruments or ligatures that would have left distinctive marks on Kelsey Smith.

Or, if the cannibalism “jokes” turn out to less than funny...well, that’s almost too awful to contemplate.


268 posted on 06/08/2007 8:11:36 PM PDT by SarahW
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To: SarahW

Hmmm, that’s possible - good thinking. I had hoped we’d hear more after KC people saw their late local TV news, but I guess not.

I found a bench warrant that is still out from Wichita municipal court for Aletha under her maiden name. Funny, the index to the warrants says they are from the past 5 years, but this one was issued in 1999.

The date on it was 9-27-1999, which is 4 days after Edwin/Jack’s firearms arrest on 9-23-1999, so I’m betting she was a witness and didn’t appear when she was subpoena’ed.

That answers the question of whether she knew about it or not. She must have graduated from her private HS (”away from the druggies and horndogs”) that May-June of 1999. He got out of juvie on June 30, 1999. Then in September, she was apparently with him when he did that. And then they married the next February and started the hunt for their happy home *wherever.*


269 posted on 06/08/2007 8:59:49 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66

IF so, there’s also the age given as 51. So more is mixed up than a K and R. It leaves me rather confused.


270 posted on 06/08/2007 9:09:01 PM PDT by txrangerette (Congressman Duncan Hunter for POTUS...check him out!!)
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To: DakotaRed
I expect some bleeding heart attorney to plead he is a “victim” of something and should not be held accountable.

Happens all the time and has happened for ages. This time, however, it's Bush's fault for depriving this forlorn soul of ice cream.

271 posted on 06/08/2007 9:16:14 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: IamHD

i have a few “friends” on the force and “rumor” is that they are looking at two homicides of young girls in wichita, and Kara as possible victims of Hall. The moving around from state to state is very strange for a young family that doenst seem to have a lot of money it does seem suspicous to me


272 posted on 06/08/2007 10:00:40 PM PDT by bustywoods
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To: txrangerette

Well, I think that’s a real person, with the “K” and that’s *his* real age.

It’s just that there are lots of things in listings that don’t differentiate by age or wouldn’t have any reason to have an age attached to them. It’s the ones where there isn’t a middle initial that have to be sorted out.

I’ve found something else confounding in the databases and hope it can be resolved as just a clerical error. Otherwise, Aletha would be related to the adoptive family, directly, and I don’t think that’s right. I think some wires have gotten crossed, but it takes a lot to figure out where.


273 posted on 06/08/2007 10:28:38 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66

Oh I think EKH, age 51, is a real person. But I can’t believe the coincidence of an Edwin Keith Hall in that area, perfect age to be this perp’s dad or uncle, but having no connection to the perp. Maybe that’s the case. But what a coincidence if true.


274 posted on 06/08/2007 10:35:07 PM PDT by txrangerette (Congressman Duncan Hunter for POTUS...check him out!!)
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To: Rte66

Thanks for all the research and reporting!!!
Keep it up and please keep sharing, very intriguing(sp)!
Be safe this weekend everyone.


275 posted on 06/08/2007 11:04:45 PM PDT by BigIsleGal (Love to Those on Rainbow Bridge and Luck to Us Who Aren't)
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To: All
Some new stuff:

http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070609/NEWS01/706090325/1001/NEWS

Also, here's his yahoo page:

http://profiles.yahoo.com/captn_666_howdy

ahem...he refers to his occupation as a "ceral killer"

ID captn_666_howdy

276 posted on 06/09/2007 7:43:33 AM PDT by IamHD
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To: IamHD

Wow, there are some good sleuths here on this thread! I heard on the radio news this morning that they are looking at his connection to the other girl’s disappearance?


277 posted on 06/09/2007 9:15:21 AM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: Abigail Adams
Belton MO. detectives are working with investigators on Kelsey's murder, trying to determine whether missing Kara Kopetsky is linked:

http://www.kttc.com/News/index.php?ID=15821

I bet there are more, too.

278 posted on 06/09/2007 9:57:20 AM PDT by IamHD
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To: IamHD

Several of the media stories say the Halls “for some reason” decided it would be better to let him go back to state custody at age 15.

They don’t think that having Edwin hold their daughter at knifepoint and threatening her is a good enough reason?


279 posted on 06/09/2007 1:10:54 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: IamHD

The Iowa story linked earlier sure blows a hole in the “happy marriage” story, that’s for sure.

He “dated” someone’s daughter there and made up lies about where he lived and was from, on and on. I’m surprised at the revelation that he is diabetic, however.

Seems as chaotic as his life has been, it’s amazing that he has lived this long and managed it, while moving from place to place with little money for medications and health care. It might explain some of his “blackouts,” but not the violent episodes themselves.

Too bad that when he had such a bad time of it two months ago, medically, he didn’t learn something from it and change his life for the better. Now the taxpayers will have to support him forever.

And I see I was clairvoyant about “Jack and Le’s” living situation in Nebraska - they really were staying with Aletha’s grandmother, as I opined. It looks like her family has pretty much financed their life together all along.

I wonder where her parents are that the press can’t find them and I wonder what happened that made them quit paying their mortgage on the house in Olathe. The info I saw in that one story last night didn’t make sense - saying they’d gotten the loan in 2004 and had only paid $4000 on it.

I showed that they had owned it for at least the past 13 years, which is half of Aletha’s life. It must have been a 2nd to take out some of the increased value, although it wouldn’t appear to be a factor from what we’ve seen of the place. May have also had to do with closing or selling their tea company the year before.

Couldn’t find a more current address for her brother Dennis, who still showed the Lincoln St. one, like her parents do. He seemed to be attending the same college Le was and I made a mental note that he may have moved out of that house about 6 months ago, but I don’t know where to.

The brother Glenn does have another address in Olathe. He was married there in 2000, then divorced in 2002, with a child involved. That is probably the location of the 2nd search warrant.

I’m still just amazed at her denial of “Jack’s” obvious penchant for wrongdoing. I can’t imagine what is going through her mind now and how she’s coping with also losing her home at the same time.


280 posted on 06/09/2007 1:43:01 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66
I read somewhere, today, that Aletha was in hiding. Would she be allowed to go back and stay with her grandparents?

Can you imagine referring to your occupation as a serial killer? Wow, and that was in 2001, when he and aletha were together and no child yet. Yes, it seems as though her family was paying their way through life, although she may have been the only steady worker.

281 posted on 06/09/2007 2:57:13 PM PDT by IamHD
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To: IamHD

I’m not up to snuff on anything tonight - haven’t had time to read any of the newer stories.

Her grandmother in NE also appears to have another home, or did at one time, in a resort town on the Gulf Coast, so I’ve been trying to find some info on it - but no luck. Nothing there in her name. Just thought that would be a good place to “go into seclusion” if I were she.

And I have no idea where her parents or brothers might be now. I just hope they all cooperate if they know anything.


282 posted on 06/09/2007 8:24:16 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: IamHD

Thanks for posting the link to the cached site...


283 posted on 06/10/2007 11:18:29 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: PGalt

Prayers up for your wife...take care and tell her I too am sick of the hilton garbage


284 posted on 06/10/2007 11:22:48 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: Rte66
Rte66, I really enjoy reading your posts. :) You are so knowledgable and seem to get to a lot of sources that a lot of us can't. Please keep coming back if you find anything new.

I think that the 1st court appearance (well 2nd) with more information will be on 6/14/07.

285 posted on 06/10/2007 12:01:13 PM PDT by IamHD
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
You're welcome. :) Here are mirror images of Ed "Jack" Hall's myspace. They are clickable, but I'm not sure if they go anywhere. They are better than screenshots, though:

http://jack.crimeblog.us/sick.html
http://jack.crimeblog.us/sick2.html

286 posted on 06/10/2007 12:07:06 PM PDT by IamHD
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~

Thanks very much. Nothing major. Hand surgery (last Tuesday) between the thumb and the rest of the hand but it was getting so painful she could not write and it was very difficult in her work (electrical related). She puts pressure on her hands all day at work. She has a cast and will be out of work for at least 3 months. Thanks again very much for your prayers, Kim.


287 posted on 06/10/2007 4:52:40 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: IamHD

Thanks! I haven’t had much time today to do any catching up on this, although I did find a little bit of interesting stuff about Aletha’s family.

I had been more interested at first in finding out how LE knew that “Jack” had grown up in the area near where Kelsey’s body was found. It doesn’t seem, from what I can gather, that the Hall family ever lived over there.

They have apparently been at Green Acres mobile home park in Emporia for 30 years. I thought they owned it, but have been unable to confirm that - only that they’ve lived there and still do - someone else’s name is shown as owner currently.

It’s hard to imagine that LE looked into his adoption background to ascertain that, but I suppose the Halls might have given them that info. His adoptive family said his past life before 7 was “troubled” or they seemed to think it was, but I’ve also seen a reference to his having been “orphaned” - so I’m not sure what to think.

I’m more inclined to believe that was an early media misreporting as to his “childhood home” near Grandview, MO. I believe they meant only that he had “lived” near there before, which was just a couple of years ago, on Newton Ave in south KCMO, which was something we already knew. Again, just speculating about that, from the people they questioned there near a former address for Edwin and Aletha.

As to the Hallowells, I’ve found that some of the family are members of the Omaha Indian tribe and that little village in NE, Walthill, is only population 909, with 300 households - and all on the Omaha Indian reservation. In fact, the whole of Thurston county is Indian Country (reservation).

The address Edwin gave in Walthill to Sioux City cops for his traffic accident was not the street addy for Aletha’s grandma, but a cross street - so her house might’ve been on the corner of it. I didn’t take time to map it. I also have another couple of addy’s in Walthill for family.

So far, I’ve counted over 30 family members who live there or have lived there - out of 900 population, that’s like 3% of all of them, lol. I believe grandpa died a few years back and that grandma has died more recently, as have some other family members, including at least one uncle, a brother of Aletha’s dad’s.

I did find someone that I think is another uncle who does have his name on some property on the Gulf to which I referred earlier. That part of her family - the dad’s and mother’s both - is originally from MA and I did track some of that down, except her mom’s.

Ironically, some members of her family have shortened their names to Hall, which also makes for some guesswork and some liberties the computer databases have taken, I believe. One even showed Edwin’s adoptive mother Carol as having the maiden name of Hallowell. I’m pretty sure that’s a glitch, which is why I do everything by hand.

I also want to hunt through some LE files for Wichita in the 2nd half of 1999 and then follow the Edwin trail to the other places. I got started a couple of days ago, but got sidetracked. I know there will be lots more info this week - look how much we’ve already found out in such a short time!

God bless Kelsey’s family!


288 posted on 06/10/2007 5:25:31 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: All

Oops, I messed something up in my above post. Aletha’s grandmother, Betty, is alive and well and living in Nebraska.

She responded to the Des Moines Register’s reporter in an interview. I *knew* that, but when I was looking at family death records, I just didn’t *think* when I saw Elizabeth with the same middle initial and just about the same birthdate.

So sorry if I made anyone scratch their heads over the grandma interview!

Back to our regularly scheduled posting ...


289 posted on 06/11/2007 3:24:14 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: All

Judge Issues Gag Order In Edwin Hall Case

http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/13499846/detail.html

Woman Encountered Kidnapping Suspect Before Kelsey's Murder

http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=3483136&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.1.1

290 posted on 06/14/2007 6:40:52 AM PDT by IamHD
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To: peggybac; All
Edwin Hall has pled quilty since the death penalty was left on the table. Scumbag gets to live out his life in prison but at least the Smith family will not have to go through the agony of a trial.
291 posted on 07/23/2008 12:42:12 PM PDT by LSAggie
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To: LSAggie

I watched the whole thing. The minute the death penalty was mentioned, the kid plead guilty. Was impressed with Kline. One thing, did she actually drive her car after Hall pushed her in, while threatening with the air gun, or, did he drive her car?


292 posted on 07/23/2008 2:08:21 PM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: peggybac

I didn’t know it was on TV, I heard it on 980, so I can’t answer your question.


293 posted on 07/23/2008 2:45:09 PM PDT by LSAggie
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To: LSAggie

All 3 networks were preempted for the hearing. It was quite interesting. You can watch it online if you are interested.


294 posted on 07/23/2008 2:54:19 PM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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