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Girl takes down elephant with 83-lb bow
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Posted on 06/08/2007 4:17:56 AM PDT by rickdylan

Girl kills elephant with 83-lb bow

One of the more unusual stories I've seen on the archery forums recently...



TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: animalrights; ar; archery; banglist; elephant; hunting
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To: Double Tap

“Nice little bit of hyperbole there. Hunting is not poaching. Hunting raises fees that are used to STOP poaching and to better manage the herd.”

Hunting is technically legalized poaching. The only difference is that hunters do not do it for money, but for ego and souvenirs.

You could even say that at least poachers do it to make a living. Hunters just do it for ego-boost. Killing a free roaming wild animal in its own natural habitat for no reason other than to gain an unhealthy dose of ego-boost is nothing to be proud of.


101 posted on 06/08/2007 12:10:26 PM PDT by sagar
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To: rickdylan
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102 posted on 06/08/2007 12:21:16 PM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: sagar
Ignorant nonsense.

Hunting is harvesting a God-given renewable resource.

Hunting is stewardship and a neccessary part of proper management.

103 posted on 06/08/2007 12:23:58 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: ovrtaxt

She probably had (read: BETTER HAVE HAD!) a license to cull an animal from a herd that’s gotten too large for its range. The meat will be used by the locals and the tusks, IIRC, will be destroyed.


104 posted on 06/08/2007 12:24:13 PM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: sagar

You do know, don’t you, that meat does not naturally come in little, Styrofoam trays? Someone had to kill that critter you et fer dinner last night. Some of us, however, are willing to do their own killing rather than pay someone else to do the dirty work.


105 posted on 06/08/2007 12:27:49 PM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: Redcloak

You’re saying that these yuppies with all the moral judgments wrt hunting have been putting out contracts on innocent chickens and pigs and what not??


106 posted on 06/08/2007 12:29:38 PM PDT by jeddavis
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To: jeddavis

Yup... They all turn into Tony Soprano right around supper time!


107 posted on 06/08/2007 12:33:22 PM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: Manic_Episode

” Hunting is harvesting a God-given renewable resource.”

Look who is talking non-sense crap. Hunting for ego-boost is not “harvest.” Is that psycho hunter who just killed the elephant going to eat its meat? Where is the harvest? Ego-harvest you mean?

“Hunting is stewardship and a neccessary part of proper management.”

Nature takes care of itself. There is no need for a gun/bow welding recreation hunter(who is not elephant’s natural predator) to go and shoot/kill a free roaming wild elephant in its own habitat.

If they want to have that ego-boost, go raise elephants in their own ranch and kill them there.


108 posted on 06/08/2007 12:35:07 PM PDT by sagar
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To: Redcloak

“You do know, don’t you, that meat does not naturally come in little, Styrofoam trays? Someone had to kill that critter you et fer dinner last night. Some of us, however, are willing to do their own killing rather than pay someone else to do the dirty work.”

Wow, you should get the Nobel Prize for that critical thinking. Seriously, did that hunter kill the elephant for its meat? And who is talking about industrial meat industry. They raise their own animals and process them for food. They don’t go around hunting endangered animals for food. When is the Nobel commencement ceremony?


109 posted on 06/08/2007 12:38:57 PM PDT by sagar
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To: sagar

The locals get the meat from legally culled elephants. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to have my tux fitted. (Is a Real-Tree cummerbund over-the-top?)


110 posted on 06/08/2007 12:45:27 PM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: zeugma; 728b; Double Tap; Manic_Episode; Redcloak; jeddavis

This issue of hunting endangered wild animals like elephants, rhinos, tigers etc is not about private enterprise either. I’m an unapologetic pro-business, free-market guy and am hoping to make a living out of it.

Simply put, you cannot use property/resources that is not owned by you. For example, you can’t go to a zoo and steal panda cubs simply because you feel like it or you were commanded by God. The animals not owned by you are not your property and you can’t do anything about it, period.

Solution? Raise your own elephants and rhinos, inside your own compound, for their tusks and horns. Offer recreational hunting to hunters, in your own compound, and make money. No problem. But, don’t tell me it is free-enterprise to go around and kill wild animals in their natural habitat.


111 posted on 06/08/2007 12:57:24 PM PDT by sagar
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To: sagar
Elephants, while they may be endangered as a whole, overpopulate some areas. The alternative to culling a few individuals in these areas, which is what this young lady did, is to allow the entire herd to starve. Grazers require predators to keep their numbers in check. Without predators, they overgraze and starve. Adult elephants have only one natural predator: H. Sapiens. Removing that one species from the environment would doom the elephants.
112 posted on 06/08/2007 1:03:28 PM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: sagar
You have no clue as to the subject matter at hand, none whatsoever, and are spouting pure emotional non-thought-out ignorant crap.

I guarantee that the meat was harvested by those who truely needed and appreciated it. The local vilage will eat very well for some time.

Elephants, like deer, if left to populate unmanaged will soon overpopulate the lands ability to support them and they will either die a slow painful death of starvation or disease.

That is your idea of management?

Slow wasteful deaths are superior to proper management? Just so you can feel smug and righteous and superior?

If poachers are not stopped by conservationist paid for by hunting, the populations can and are decimated by poaching.

Hunting prevents all of these.

The best way to protect an endangered species is to hunt and kill them which raises the neccessary funds to manage and protect them.

You watched way too much Bambi as a child and think that all hunters are sucking out the eyeballs of their victims in a sexual frenzy of bloodlust, when nothing could be farther from the truth.

This story is the picture of conservation and all you can do is snivel about them enjoying the thrill of a successful hunt.

Get a clue and an education and go kill and eat something before you proclaim your expertise over the internet from your crampped and darkened efficiency.

113 posted on 06/08/2007 1:04:38 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: sagar

The habitat doesn’t belong to the elephants; it belongs to private individuals and governments in Africa. Those who manage their share of the habitat well allow hunting. Where hunting ISN’T allowed, the elephants are basically worthless, the habitat gets put to other uses, and the elephants die out.


114 posted on 06/08/2007 1:05:45 PM PDT by jeddavis
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To: ReignOfError
"I’m not sure if that’s sexy, scary or both."

It's a fine line.

(sometimes)

115 posted on 06/08/2007 1:13:41 PM PDT by dogbrain (memo to self: Don't drink from toilet; it's where liberals wash their hands....)
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To: Redcloak

“Elephants, while they may be endangered as a whole, overpopulate some areas. The alternative to culling a few individuals in these areas, which is what this young lady did, is to allow the entire herd to starve. Grazers require predators to keep their numbers in check. Without predators, they overgraze and starve. Adult elephants have only one natural predator: H. Sapiens. Removing that one species from the environment would doom the elephants.”

Wow, that was quite a trip. Bow-welding, recreational hunters/tourists are NOT elephants’ “natural predators.” Elephants have no natural predators that hunt them down on a large scale. Besides, elephants have been living well before Homo sapiens. They reproduce really slowly, so no need to “thin” then down either.


116 posted on 06/08/2007 1:40:13 PM PDT by sagar
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To: jeddavis

“The habitat doesn’t belong to the elephants; it belongs to private individuals and governments in Africa.”

The state of private individuals and governments in Africa is miserable. Private individuals have a different concept of ownership, and the government has no real control over the land. Corruption/poverty/ignorance in the native population leads to recreational hunters and professional poachers to move in to exploit the resources that they do not own.

If the governments were not corrupt, these “hunting trips” wouldn’t exist in the first place and the hunters would get shot on sight.

“Those who manage their share of the habitat well allow hunting. Where hunting ISN’T allowed, the elephants are basically worthless, the habitat gets put to other uses, and the elephants die out.”

Normal safaris and tourism should do the same thing. Killing endangered wild animals for recreation and ego boost is sick.


117 posted on 06/08/2007 1:51:35 PM PDT by sagar
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To: sagar

I like to kill pink, squirming, baby mice with a hammer.


118 posted on 06/08/2007 2:07:00 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Manic_Episode

“I like to kill pink, squirming, baby mice with a hammer.”

Sounds fun. Your hunting trophy room must be full of mashed pink baby mice carcass.


119 posted on 06/08/2007 2:42:21 PM PDT by sagar
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To: sagar

If they reproduce so slowly, and thus there’s no need to “thin them down”, then why are conservation authorities culling their elephant herds?


120 posted on 06/08/2007 3:38:51 PM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: rickdylan

What is the reason???? Does she need the food? Ridiculous. I guess she can think about it in jail. Perhaps Paris can give her some hints.


121 posted on 06/08/2007 3:40:46 PM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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To: ovrtaxt
Is there more to this story? Usually, killing an elephant will get you incarcerated for poaching- or shot.

Maybe it was trying to rob her liquor store.

122 posted on 06/08/2007 3:41:01 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Manic_Episode

Do you get them to squeak “The Bells of St. Mary’s”?


123 posted on 06/08/2007 3:41:36 PM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: napscoordinator
What is the reason?

As others have stated, many elephant herds in Africa are overpopulating their ranges and risk starvation if they're allowed to overgraze. Culling, which is what this young lady did, keeps the population in check and protects the herd as a whole. She did nothing illegal and probably paid a pretty penny for the license.

124 posted on 06/08/2007 3:44:55 PM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: Redcloak

As I went down the posts. I understand that it is like Deer in some part of America. Just too many. I just wish they would say that in some article so we know that at first. Changes things big time.


125 posted on 06/08/2007 3:47:49 PM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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To: docbnj

I agree with most of your post. I disagree with the statement that hunters do not see as much as observers with cameras. A good hunter knows his prey inside and out. It’s habits, habitat, behavior, etc. That comes from observing, and remembering what was seen and under what circumstances.


126 posted on 06/08/2007 3:48:35 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: sagar
Your post has to be one of the most nonsensical post I've ever read.

The government sets the fee, the government owns the animals and the property in Africa. If it is private property, the fee is still set by and collected by the government.

The fee is then used to continue the management of a healthy elephant herd. That of course, only occurrs in countries that allow hunting. In those that don't, elephants are indeed endangered.

Your lack of knowledge and critical thought are really evident in your post.

127 posted on 06/08/2007 4:19:48 PM PDT by Double Tap
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To: sagar
I have to take this one point by point.

Hunting is technically legalized poaching. The only difference is that hunters do not do it for money, but for ego and souvenirs.

100% incorrect. Hunting is the legal taking of animal resource by legal means for legal purposes.

Poaching is taking of animal resources ILLEGALLY with no regard of laws or management.

You could even say that at least poachers do it to make a living. Hunters just do it for ego-boost.

That would be your opinion, not to be confused with facts.

Killing a free roaming wild animal in its own natural habitat for no reason other than to gain an unhealthy dose of ego-boost is nothing to be proud of.

Again, your uneducated opinion based on emotion or maybe some religious doctrine. Not to be construed with fact or reality.

Now please answer this. What is more ethical:

A. To allow legalized hunting to support the management and protection of the herd as a whole.

OR

B. Not allow legalized hunting and so not be able to afford to protect the herd so it is reduced to endangered status from poaching?

128 posted on 06/08/2007 4:31:14 PM PDT by Double Tap
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To: Politicalmom
IIRC, research shows that dying from an arrow wound is analogous to falling asleep and not waking up.

The pain receptors/generators are located on the surface of the skin, not deep inside the body, therefore the only pain felt is the initial pain of entry. Since we are talking about razor-sharp blades, the pain is minimal - if you have ever cut yourself with a sharp knife you will know what I'm talking about.

The point of my post that deals with this issue is the point regarding not immediately tracking an animal that is shot with a bow. Tracking one immediately will cause greater stress and pain to the animal than if you wait for the animal to die to track it.

“Dying of dehydration is euphoric.”
“Unborn babies don’t feel pain when ripped limb from limb.”

I don't believe I discussed either of these issues - so why would you post them to me?

129 posted on 06/08/2007 5:44:33 PM PDT by Abundy
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To: tcostell

Your exactly right. Even our great Environmentalist President Teddy Roosevelt Hunted! Most who actually hunt are more conservationist than any bleeding heart feel sorry for bambi guilt tripping liberal.


130 posted on 06/08/2007 6:06:05 PM PDT by RachelFaith
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To: SMARTY
Orwell’s essay “Shooting an Elephant”
131 posted on 06/08/2007 6:10:58 PM PDT by dighton
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To: rickdylan
Girl takes down elephant with 83-lb bow

That seems like a mighty weak bow for an elephant. One would think the average elephant could pull a 400 or 500 lb bow.

132 posted on 06/08/2007 6:11:27 PM PDT by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: gitmo

LOL ....

(how he got in my pajama’s I’ll never know....)


133 posted on 06/08/2007 6:20:48 PM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: rickdylan

Charlize Theron in her younger years, LOL! The nay-sayers would be drooling were that true. *ROLLEYES*


134 posted on 06/08/2007 6:25:22 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Abundy
I don't believe I discussed either of these issues - so why would you post them to me?

Because some people equate killing humans to hunting animals. Sad, but true.

135 posted on 06/08/2007 7:10:54 PM PDT by Double Tap
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To: RexBeach

Do I smell burning ham?


136 posted on 06/08/2007 7:36:48 PM PDT by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: blam

Gloating over a ‘kill’ is about the same mind-set as an Islamist parading with a severed head.

Ok I got it ..

A Fish is a Deer is a Elephant is a Human..

I understand you perfectly.

Sadly

W


137 posted on 06/08/2007 8:35:33 PM PDT by WLR
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To: WLR

There sure are a lot of control freaks, liberal weenies and impotent losers with a need to insult women on this site. No wonder conservatism is getting nowhere in this country.


138 posted on 06/08/2007 9:15:52 PM PDT by TigersEye (Hope and fear are two sides of a coin that bind you to worldly concerns. Render it unto the world.)
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To: Redcloak
"Do you get them to squeak “The Bells of St. Mary’s”?

========================

Lol, no, but I can do "Shave and a Haircut".

139 posted on 06/09/2007 1:33:05 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Vision
That's what people don't seem to get. In the old days Great White Hunter would bag the elephant, take the trophy head and tusks, and leave the rest to the locals. Imagine tons of meat, skin and bones used for whatever.

If Africa could get its game management act together they could make countless dollars off Big 5 hunts, let alone all the other things they have to offer.

140 posted on 06/09/2007 2:09:41 AM PDT by FlyVet
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To: Tenacious 1

Can you please explain to me the “pleasure” of killing an animal?


141 posted on 06/09/2007 4:52:54 AM PDT by Muzzle_em (A proud warrior of the Pajamahadeen)
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To: Muzzle_em

Probably. Shrinks say that there are three overwhelming drives which govern most activities of higher animals, i.e. food, sleep, and sex. But in reality, there are a couple of others, including hunting. It’s built in.


142 posted on 06/09/2007 6:10:08 AM PDT by rickdylan
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To: rickdylan

What a wonderful accomplishment for this young woman and an unforgettable experience. Few archers of any age have a memory like that in their warehouse. She has much to be proud of.


143 posted on 06/09/2007 6:43:13 AM PDT by TigersEye (Hope and fear are two sides of a coin that bind you to worldly concerns. Render it unto the world.)
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To: TigersEye

The young women went into a herd of around 30 Elephants with a bow and arrow for goodness sake.. Around Dusk and took her shot at one about 12 feet away..

Because of that, in this thread we have people

who want her in prison
comment cause she does not look like Paris Hilton(tm) ?
want her to play video games instead..

Holy cow...

She is a brave, attractive young women.. The kind unlikely to leave her husband, her family, her country fighting off the wolf at the door, Al Qaida.

or a herd of elephants lol.

W


144 posted on 06/09/2007 7:19:33 AM PDT by WLR
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To: docbnj

Oh you are fooling no one..

You don’t like sport hunting so you make up some excuse to stop it.. Then of course you will want to tax all of us to care for “Your wild Creatures” to pay “our fair share”.

I think picture taking steals the souls of animals in fact pictures offend the spirits and are why the people in Africa are so poor.. I think we need to “tell the truth” Tell all the villagers the people with cameras are stealing their future and the future of their children. That the spirits will never bless them until all the picture takers are chased from the land...That when all the pictures are taken no one will need to come to Africa and the villagers will all starve..

(sarc)

W


145 posted on 06/09/2007 7:34:18 AM PDT by WLR
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To: Lazamataz
I hate her.

You don't even know this girl; what you "hate" is reading about stuff which makes you feel like more of a wimp than usual, if that's possible.

146 posted on 06/09/2007 8:28:49 AM PDT by rickdylan
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To: Vaquero
I have watched elephant hunts on the outdoor channel and VS. each one showed the aftermath of the hunt. 10’s of local villagers rendering the carcass for their own larders. The people eat and the hunter brings home his legal trophy. It is a win, win situation.

Roger that! When I was in S. Africa hunting it was amazing that nothing is left to waste by the locals. The locals eat everything including the organs. Also for the bleeding hearts I would point out that elephants destroy the environment affecting other animals in the food chain. When I was at the Kruger national park the destruction of trees by elephants was a major concern.

147 posted on 06/09/2007 9:54:45 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Rudy: When you absolutely,positively need a liberal for President.)
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It's those evil white people again.

"Others don't kill.

Only white people.

148 posted on 06/09/2007 10:00:39 AM PDT by Jakarta ex-pat
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To: Muzzle_em
Can you please explain to me the “pleasure” of killing an animal?

Yes. However, I would not associate the "pleasure of hunting" specifically with the culmination, the kill.

I man/woman must enter into the wilderness, un observed by the creatures that call it home. Whether it be turkey, deer, rabbit, pheasant, quail, etc. when you are hunting, you are in their house. Most game animals know their predators, they are me. To hunt is to become one with nature.

When I deer hunt, I wake up at about 4:30 in the AM. I have already prepared all the clothes that I will wear that day. They have been washed in baking soda, twice, and line dried in the woods where I will hunt. Then they have been secured in airtight bags until this morning. I shower and scrub in baking soda in a feable effort to remove as much of my human smell as I can. I get dressed and enter the field. I have already scouted this 70 acres of land for three months (about 4 times) leading up to deer season. I have observed where the deer eat, where they drink, where they bed down and what routes they take. I have observed two particularly mature bucks that are old and wise. They do not get seen often in daylight. I have chosen my spot in the woods and it will take me about 45 minutes to get there on foot as I want to approach my stand into the wind. It is pitch black outside and bitterly cold. I walk slowly and quietly through the woods trying to not be noticed by the natives. A turkey startles me as it goes plowing through tree tops. Coyotes howl in the near distance. I see eyes glowing at me now and then from my flashlight. Fox, deer, raccoons, rabbits, etc. are all out there and are unsure of what/who I am. They may know I don't belong but are unsure of the level of threat I am. I don't resemble the human threat they are used to. Quite frankly, I am nervous, a little intimidated, walking to my spot. Once there, I settle in to remain as quiet and still as possible. I wait in ambush. If I have done everything right, there is a chance that one of those two bucks I observed will not notice me as they come to check their tree rubs. I see a couple of doe frolicking at daybreak. Too far to have a good shot. But exciting because at this time of the year I know, Bucks are horny and may be close by. FINALLY! One of the 10 point bucks I know walks up from my left and stops at the edge of the field before crossing in pursuit of the doe. I don't quite have a good shot. I patiently wait. I can see the buck's ears flick, lips curl as it tastes the air for danger. It waits. It takes two steps into the clearing and stops again, looking for danger. It does not know that I am a mere 100' away. I have fooled the deer in his own house. Finally, the buck slowly starts to enter the clearing, I am able to train cross hairs on his heart from a perfect broadside shot. I must work to control my breathing as my heart races. I am in a full buck fever pitch. My hands are shaking as this beautiful animal walks. I can see the steamy breath pushing from his nose. A bird calls from overhead. I finally make myself calm, take a deep breath, hold it...hold it, gently start to squeeze the trigger while I keep the cross hairs trained perfectly on the deer's heart. The 20 gauge report surprises me when it goes off and time seems to stop. I know instantly, the shot was perfect. The deer leaps high after being struck. Runs a short distance and lays down in the weeds. My heart is pounding, I am breathing hard as if I just finished a 100 yard dash. I am shaking. And chills are running down my spine.

I have done it. All the season's work to become one with nature. All the studying of all the behaviors of the animals in the woods has paid off. I wait 45 minutes to give the deer peace and quiet. It was a good shot so the deer will not suffer. The hunt is over. Now I move to properly field dress the deer and prepare it for processing. I will be able to feed my family from the 220lb animal for a good part of the year.

See, the "pleasure" is not in the kill. It is just the kill that is the thrill, the culmination of the effort. The "pleasure" in hunting is all that leads up to the kill. The "pleasure" is becoming part of nature. It is sneaking into their habitat unnoticed and being able to kill food for myself and my family as our ancestors did thousands of years ago to survive. It is a freedom and a rush. It is a right of passage. During the hunt, there is a wide range of emotion. Most hunters will candidly admit that they get a little nervous walking into the woods on a pitch black morning all by themselves. It takes an incredible amount of discipline and patients to hunt correctly.

So, the reason, we like to take pictures of our "trophies" is to be able to have that moment captured to remember for the rest of our lives. Most hunters can tell you very specific details of most hunts they have been on, whether they killed anything or not; and whether they have hunted 2 times or 200 times. Each time is unique and anything can happen. I hope this helps you understand why some of us hunt.

149 posted on 06/09/2007 10:08:49 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (No to nitwit jesters with a predisposition of self importance and unqualified political opinions!)
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To: rickdylan

I hate you most of all.


150 posted on 06/09/2007 11:00:36 AM PDT by Lazamataz (JOIN THE NRA: https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp)
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