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FReep This Poll - Should churches be able to offer sanctuary to illegal immigrants?
North County Times/The Californian ^ | June 9, 2007 | North County Times/The Californian

Posted on 06/09/2007 11:03:45 PM PDT by DogByte6RER

Should churches be able to offer sanctuary to illegal immigrants?

Yes

No

Don't know

(Excerpt) Read more at nctimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; illegalaliens; illegalimmigrants; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; poll; sanctuary; shamnesty
Link over to the North County Times/The Californian homepage. Scroll down a bit and look for the poll on the right hand side. Vote for choice.
1 posted on 06/09/2007 11:03:49 PM PDT by DogByte6RER
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Related news article:

“Long Beach church offers sanctuary to undocumented mother”

Link over to:
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/06/09/news/state/17_43_286_9_07.txt


2 posted on 06/09/2007 11:05:18 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

I’m sorry, leftists tell me to separate church and state. So no.


3 posted on 06/09/2007 11:08:02 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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Oh yeah...

This poll should remain open until Sunday evening at approximately 8:00 pm PDT.


4 posted on 06/09/2007 11:09:17 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

no.


5 posted on 06/09/2007 11:11:18 PM PDT by dogbrain (memo to self: Don't drink from toilet; it's where liberals wash their hands....)
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To: DogByte6RER

Sure, they did it for child molesters. Why not for other criminals?


6 posted on 06/09/2007 11:13:45 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: All

Long Beach church offers sanctuary to undocumented mother

By: North County Times wire services -

LONG BEACH - A woman married to a U.S. citizen, but facing imminent deportation because she lacks legal residency status, has been told by a Long Beach church she can have sanctuary there, it was reported Saturday.

The woman, from Ventura, is the parent of three young United States citizens but barred from legal residency or citizenship herself, the Long Beach Press-Telegram reported.

The woman would only give her first name, Liliana. She told the newspaper she is permanently ineligible for citizenship or residency and has been ordered deported because she had posed as a U.S. citizen to gain entrance to this country.

That conviction came 10 years ago, when she was trying to join her parents in California. Jobless, they had immigrated from Michoacan. Since that time, the woman says she and her husband have both paid their taxes and worked multiple jobs simultaneously to provide for their children.

Church leaders say they are entitled to offer sanctuary from immigration agents under an ancient tradition of allowing churches to shelter people.

Liliana and her baby are living inside St. Luke’s Epsicopal Church in Long Beach, where the associate rector said they are welcome for at least three months. “We went in knowing we were committing to something serious,” said Julia Wakelee-Lynch, quoted in the Press-Telegram.

A similar sanctuary movement spread across U.S. churches in the early 1980s, and resulted in several clergymembers being jailed. That movement ended when President Ronald Reagan signed an immigrants amnesty bill in 1986.

A spokesman for the “New Sanctuary Movement” said there are at least 600,000 families in the United States facing breakup because of the large number of families with at least one member violating immigration laws.


7 posted on 06/09/2007 11:14:34 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

Already a Crime.

Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)

“Any person who . . . encourages or induces an illegal alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each illegal alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.”

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

* assists an illegal alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or
* encourages that illegal alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or
* knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.


8 posted on 06/09/2007 11:18:50 PM PDT by BGHater
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To: DogByte6RER
FReep This Poll - Should churches be able to offer sanctuary to illegal immigrants?

Not only no, but Hell NO!

I feel so strongly about this that I would support the penalty of loss of tax-exempt status to any church that does this.

If I wanted to live in a society where the church is not only a co-government, but has the arrogance to ignore or override the laws of the secular government, I would move to Iran...

9 posted on 06/09/2007 11:20:50 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Publius6961

I vote we deluge the IRS with complaints about this church.


10 posted on 06/09/2007 11:25:19 PM PDT by Politicalmom (No self-respecting group bent on world domination would invite Angelina Jolie to be a member.)
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To: Politicalmom

Report an Abusive Transaction Involving an Exempt Organization

IRS
EO Classification
MC 4910DAL
1100 Commerce Street
Dallas, TX 75242

More info at: http://www.irs.gov/charities/article/0,,id=128722,00.html


11 posted on 06/09/2007 11:29:18 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

THANKS!!

I will call on Monday. I am planning to continue to harass my treasonous congressweasels on a regular basis. Might as well add some other people to the list.

:)


12 posted on 06/09/2007 11:31:27 PM PDT by Politicalmom (No self-respecting group bent on world domination would invite Angelina Jolie to be a member.)
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To: Politicalmom

More here...

Charities, Churches, and Educational Organizations - Political Campaign Intervention

Link to: http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=155030,00.html


13 posted on 06/09/2007 11:32:15 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

Just say NO to Amnesty!! Keep calling!! It’s NOT OVER!!

U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121

U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121

White House comments: (202) 456-1111

Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep

Find your US Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm


14 posted on 06/09/2007 11:32:50 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
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To: DogByte6RER; All

Oh, I believe this is the Church information.

I am simply SHOCKED.(Not really.) I found it on a “Gay Friendly Churches” website.

*Sigh*

St. Luke’s Episcopal Church
525 E 7th St, Long Beach, CA
(562) 436-4047 Map


15 posted on 06/09/2007 11:35:00 PM PDT by Politicalmom (No self-respecting group bent on world domination would invite Angelina Jolie to be a member.)
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To: Publius6961
A possible solution to this problem, which has been re- enacted in Canada also, is accountability. If the church has it's way, then it might be a simple matter to have them put up a bond. It seems that in so many cases and this includes lawyers and activists, that they triumph over the established laws.

So far so good. What is seemingly not realized by the general public, is that once released into any society, the Church/activists then lean back and smile.

If there is any negative result and it is a bad choice, the ordinary citizen who comes into close proximity with any problem, has to deal with it. This includes any burden on the already over taxed citizen.

Have the church guarantee THEY will stand accountable for THOSE persons. If they will not, then they are hypocrites

16 posted on 06/09/2007 11:37:05 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: DogByte6RER

Voted.
Sanctuary, that would be a big No


17 posted on 06/09/2007 11:51:16 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Duncan Hunter '08 Tough on WOT & Illegals)
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To: Politicalmom
Freepers are great. The activists (usually supported by government funds) force the hard-working taxpayer to bear the entire burden of bad ideas, usually forever, and the time it takes to find the proper government department, bureau or service to file an effective protest or complaint.

Government-funded "translators" is the most hateful form of this burden.

It enables the illegal involuntary confiscation of our taxes more than anything else, in the name of "charity" and "compassion", which is neither when coerced.

Thank you for those names and addresses!

18 posted on 06/09/2007 11:53:32 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Publius6961
Should churches be able to offer sanctuary to illegal immigrants?

A lot of people (well, a lot of non-Freepers) don't know this was more or less the same reason for the battle between (Saint) Thomas Becket and Henry II: The Church had declared that a church was place of refuge from civil authorities. The bad guys took full advantage of this. Small armies of them would lounge around there by day. At night they would head out in to the general population, do whatever bad guys do, and then come dawn it was back to the church. Once inside they knew the authorities couldn't touch them -- the Church would see to that.

This policy wasn't making the Church very popular, with government officials or the general population. Henry II was determined to end the Church-as-sancuary (a.k.a. secular trumps religious). An equally determined Archbishop Thomas Becket, declared Church lands, building, courts, etc. were inviolable (a.k.a. religious trumps secular).

And the rest, as they say, was history....

Though in all honesty, the more I know of the circumstances the more I side w/ the king. Lol! As if after 600+ years it matters.

19 posted on 06/10/2007 1:51:04 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: yankeedame

Freeped.


20 posted on 06/10/2007 2:46:22 AM PDT by 230FMJ (...from my cold, dead, fingers.)
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To: DogByte6RER

No!

“Render unto Caesar”

The Rule of Law must be respected.


21 posted on 06/10/2007 3:00:20 AM PDT by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO :: Keep the Arkansas Grifters out of the White house.)
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To: DogByte6RER
Should churches be able to offer sancturary to smokers?

Guess what liberals would say about this.......

22 posted on 06/10/2007 3:26:19 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Should churches be able to offer sanctuary to illegal immigrants?
Yes
(11 Votes, 7%)
No
(145 Votes, 92%)
Don’t know
(1 Votes, 1%)


23 posted on 06/10/2007 3:33:09 AM PDT by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: azhenfud

Glad you got yours in. The poll appears pulled.


24 posted on 06/10/2007 3:37:28 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (Any means, fair or foul, to defeat the islamic filth.)
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To: ExGeeEye

Never mind, found it. Now where’s my coffee?


25 posted on 06/10/2007 3:38:16 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (Any means, fair or foul, to defeat the islamic filth.)
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To: BGHater
Can we write a replacement law, one with sharp pointy teeth, and include the penalty right in the text? Like this:

"(a). Any citizen knowingly employing, sheltering, concealing, or otherwise assisting (other than emergency medical care) an illegal alien shall suffer forfeiture of all property, real and personal, all assets, businesses, business licenses, and any other thing except his/her physical freedom and two changes of clothing; after which he/she may seek employment and start over.

"(b). Any non-citizen legally resident, acting as described in para (a) above, shall suffer the same penalty and be deported to his/her country of origin within 48 hours.

"(c). Any public official, in any branch of government, at any level, who under color of clemency, legal discretion, or other official privilege, shall obstruct, alter, or modify the swift application and extent of paras (a) and (b) to any degree soever, shall suffer the same penalty and be summarily removed from office."

(There's your teeth. That’s to keep judges from saying “ooooo, that’s too harsh” and governors etc. from handing out pardons to business-owner buddies.)

26 posted on 06/10/2007 3:42:31 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (Any means, fair or foul, to defeat the islamic filth.)
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To: DogByte6RER

the day the federal government goes into these churches arrests the illegal alien and immediately DEPORTS them,then they could talk to me about illegal immigrant legislation.


27 posted on 06/10/2007 3:57:16 AM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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To: DogByte6RER
NO!

U.S. law does NOt allow for churches to offer sanctuary to any criminal or fugitive, including illegal aliens. Any church (and every elected official) which offers sanctuary to illegals should be held accountable to the law.

Article on Illegal Sanctuaries: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1837055/posts

28 posted on 06/10/2007 4:07:43 AM PDT by BigAlPro (It is time for Term Limits in DC)
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To: DogByte6RER
poll
Should churches be able to offer sanctuary to illegal immigrants?
Yes  
 
(12 Votes, 7%)
No  
 
(169 Votes, 93%)
Don't know  
 
(1 Votes, 1%)

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29 posted on 06/10/2007 4:13:18 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: SteveMcKing
But only while the criminals are on church property. The minute they step out of the building they should be arrested. If they are illegal aliens they should be deported immediately. If they are illegal aliens who have committed criminal acts, besides breaking immigration laws, they should be put in jail.

Churches have the responsibility of saving souls. The state must save lives by protecting citizens from criminals..

A man is not immune from the law just because he says he is a preacher. If he shelters criminals he is guilty of aiding and abetting criminals and is subject to the laws regarding helping criminals avoid justice.

30 posted on 06/10/2007 4:17:26 AM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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To: DogByte6RER

I STOPPED GOING TO THE METHODIST CHURCH OVER THIS. ANY ONE ELSE?


31 posted on 06/10/2007 4:19:42 AM PDT by television is just wrong (Amnesty is when you allow them to return to their country of origin without prosecution.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Churches today Mosques tomorrow..


32 posted on 06/10/2007 4:52:27 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen (La Raza is Spanish for Tan Klan)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; A knight without armor; Alexander Rubin; AmericaUnite; Atlanta Conservative; ...

Looks like this ones been freeped.... but what the hey :)

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33 posted on 06/10/2007 4:59:32 AM PDT by backinthefold (yeesh)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Took the words right out of my mouth Kid. Sanctuary in churches would have to include Mosques.


34 posted on 06/10/2007 5:02:45 AM PDT by Lynne
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To: DogByte6RER

Fine, let them harbor criminals but, if I were law enforcement, I would yellow tape the whole church and put signs at all entrances “WARNING...there are criminals being harbored in this area. For the sake of public safety, DO NOT ENTER THIS AREA.

Police vehicles would be posted at all entrances to turn back all attempts to enter.


35 posted on 06/10/2007 5:03:12 AM PDT by RetSignman (DEMSM: "If you tell a big enough lie, frequently enough, it becomes the truth")
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To: backinthefold

Yes
(15 Votes, 6%)

No
(216 Votes, 93%)

Don’t know (1 Votes, 0%)


36 posted on 06/10/2007 5:18:24 AM PDT by toldyou
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To: DogByte6RER

As soon as they get involved in sanctuary for illegals, then they become political and should lose their tax exempt status.


37 posted on 06/10/2007 5:30:48 AM PDT by Netizen (If we can't locate/deport illegals, how will we get them to come forward to pay their $3,250 fines?)
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To: DogByte6RER
Yes, if the aid is actuallt sanctuary. Sanctuary is traditionally food and shelter until the person in need can get on thier feet and/or move on.

What churches are doing in the illegal invader cases isn't sanctuary, it's harboring of criminals, not the same thing and should not be allowed.

38 posted on 06/10/2007 5:47:15 AM PDT by infidel29 (Amnesia International: Forget about the atrocities of the left, they meant well.)
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To: Politicalmom
I vote we deluge the IRS with complaints about this church.

True any church that does this should lose it tax status immediately.

39 posted on 06/10/2007 5:59:54 AM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: DogByte6RER

No sanctuary.


40 posted on 06/10/2007 6:01:43 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: R.W.Ratikal
I forgot the sarcasm flag-- </s>
41 posted on 06/10/2007 8:17:00 AM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: DogByte6RER
YES! Definitely!
But with the caveat that the churches MUST be located in a nation other than the United States of America.

If any church wishes to provide sanctuary and services at their own expense, with ZERO public funding, extracted from taxpayers monies, while they are operating a church in say,...Canada. Or, ...Mexico, or,...anywhere OTHER than the USA, I say Kol Hakavod (all strength)and have a nice day.

42 posted on 06/10/2007 8:26:07 AM PDT by Gideon Reader (DEMOCRATS: Not quite American, and proud of it! Palestinians are,...well,... Palestinian.)
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