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Posted on 06/09/2007 11:03:45 PM PDT by DogByte6RER
Should churches be able to offer sanctuary to illegal immigrants?
(Excerpt) Read more at nctimes.com ...
Related news article:
“Long Beach church offers sanctuary to undocumented mother”
I’m sorry, leftists tell me to separate church and state. So no.
This poll should remain open until Sunday evening at approximately 8:00 pm PDT.
Sure, they did it for child molesters. Why not for other criminals?
Long Beach church offers sanctuary to undocumented mother
By: North County Times wire services -
LONG BEACH - A woman married to a U.S. citizen, but facing imminent deportation because she lacks legal residency status, has been told by a Long Beach church she can have sanctuary there, it was reported Saturday.
The woman, from Ventura, is the parent of three young United States citizens but barred from legal residency or citizenship herself, the Long Beach Press-Telegram reported.
The woman would only give her first name, Liliana. She told the newspaper she is permanently ineligible for citizenship or residency and has been ordered deported because she had posed as a U.S. citizen to gain entrance to this country.
That conviction came 10 years ago, when she was trying to join her parents in California. Jobless, they had immigrated from Michoacan. Since that time, the woman says she and her husband have both paid their taxes and worked multiple jobs simultaneously to provide for their children.
Church leaders say they are entitled to offer sanctuary from immigration agents under an ancient tradition of allowing churches to shelter people.
Liliana and her baby are living inside St. Luke’s Epsicopal Church in Long Beach, where the associate rector said they are welcome for at least three months. “We went in knowing we were committing to something serious,” said Julia Wakelee-Lynch, quoted in the Press-Telegram.
A similar sanctuary movement spread across U.S. churches in the early 1980s, and resulted in several clergymembers being jailed. That movement ended when President Ronald Reagan signed an immigrants amnesty bill in 1986.
A spokesman for the “New Sanctuary Movement” said there are at least 600,000 families in the United States facing breakup because of the large number of families with at least one member violating immigration laws.
Already a Crime.
Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)
“Any person who . . . encourages or induces an illegal alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each illegal alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.”
Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):
A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:
* assists an illegal alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or
* encourages that illegal alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or
* knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.
Not only no, but Hell NO!
I feel so strongly about this that I would support the penalty of loss of tax-exempt status to any church that does this.
If I wanted to live in a society where the church is not only a co-government, but has the arrogance to ignore or override the laws of the secular government, I would move to Iran...
I vote we deluge the IRS with complaints about this church.
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I will call on Monday. I am planning to continue to harass my treasonous congressweasels on a regular basis. Might as well add some other people to the list.
Charities, Churches, and Educational Organizations - Political Campaign Intervention
Just say NO to Amnesty!! Keep calling!! Its NOT OVER!!
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Oh, I believe this is the Church information.
I am simply SHOCKED.(Not really.) I found it on a “Gay Friendly Churches” website.
St. Luke’s Episcopal Church
525 E 7th St, Long Beach, CA
(562) 436-4047 Map
So far so good. What is seemingly not realized by the general public, is that once released into any society, the Church/activists then lean back and smile.
If there is any negative result and it is a bad choice, the ordinary citizen who comes into close proximity with any problem, has to deal with it. This includes any burden on the already over taxed citizen.
Have the church guarantee THEY will stand accountable for THOSE persons. If they will not, then they are hypocrites
Sanctuary, that would be a big No
Government-funded "translators" is the most hateful form of this burden.
It enables the illegal involuntary confiscation of our taxes more than anything else, in the name of "charity" and "compassion", which is neither when coerced.
Thank you for those names and addresses!
A lot of people (well, a lot of non-Freepers) don't know this was more or less the same reason for the battle between (Saint) Thomas Becket and Henry II: The Church had declared that a church was place of refuge from civil authorities. The bad guys took full advantage of this. Small armies of them would lounge around there by day. At night they would head out in to the general population, do whatever bad guys do, and then come dawn it was back to the church. Once inside they knew the authorities couldn't touch them -- the Church would see to that.
This policy wasn't making the Church very popular, with government officials or the general population. Henry II was determined to end the Church-as-sancuary (a.k.a. secular trumps religious). An equally determined Archbishop Thomas Becket, declared Church lands, building, courts, etc. were inviolable (a.k.a. religious trumps secular).
And the rest, as they say, was history....
Though in all honesty, the more I know of the circumstances the more I side w/ the king. Lol! As if after 600+ years it matters.
“Render unto Caesar”
The Rule of Law must be respected.
Guess what liberals would say about this.......
Should churches be able to offer sanctuary to illegal immigrants?
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Glad you got yours in. The poll appears pulled.
Never mind, found it. Now where’s my coffee?
"(a). Any citizen knowingly employing, sheltering, concealing, or otherwise assisting (other than emergency medical care) an illegal alien shall suffer forfeiture of all property, real and personal, all assets, businesses, business licenses, and any other thing except his/her physical freedom and two changes of clothing; after which he/she may seek employment and start over.
"(b). Any non-citizen legally resident, acting as described in para (a) above, shall suffer the same penalty and be deported to his/her country of origin within 48 hours.
"(c). Any public official, in any branch of government, at any level, who under color of clemency, legal discretion, or other official privilege, shall obstruct, alter, or modify the swift application and extent of paras (a) and (b) to any degree soever, shall suffer the same penalty and be summarily removed from office."
(There's your teeth. Thats to keep judges from saying ooooo, thats too harsh and governors etc. from handing out pardons to business-owner buddies.)
the day the federal government goes into these churches arrests the illegal alien and immediately DEPORTS them,then they could talk to me about illegal immigrant legislation.
U.S. law does NOt allow for churches to offer sanctuary to any criminal or fugitive, including illegal aliens. Any church (and every elected official) which offers sanctuary to illegals should be held accountable to the law.
Article on Illegal Sanctuaries: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1837055/posts
Churches have the responsibility of saving souls. The state must save lives by protecting citizens from criminals..
A man is not immune from the law just because he says he is a preacher. If he shelters criminals he is guilty of aiding and abetting criminals and is subject to the laws regarding helping criminals avoid justice.
I STOPPED GOING TO THE METHODIST CHURCH OVER THIS. ANY ONE ELSE?
Churches today Mosques tomorrow..
Looks like this ones been freeped.... but what the hey :)
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Took the words right out of my mouth Kid. Sanctuary in churches would have to include Mosques.
Fine, let them harbor criminals but, if I were law enforcement, I would yellow tape the whole church and put signs at all entrances “WARNING...there are criminals being harbored in this area. For the sake of public safety, DO NOT ENTER THIS AREA.
Police vehicles would be posted at all entrances to turn back all attempts to enter.
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As soon as they get involved in sanctuary for illegals, then they become political and should lose their tax exempt status.
What churches are doing in the illegal invader cases isn't sanctuary, it's harboring of criminals, not the same thing and should not be allowed.
True any church that does this should lose it tax status immediately.
If any church wishes to provide sanctuary and services at their own expense, with ZERO public funding, extracted from taxpayers monies, while they are operating a church in say,...Canada. Or, ...Mexico, or,...anywhere OTHER than the USA, I say Kol Hakavod (all strength)and have a nice day.
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