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NRA, Democrats reach gun law deal
tampabay.com ^ | June 10, 2007 | Jonathan Weisman

Posted on 06/10/2007 7:39:59 AM PDT by holymoly

The gun lobby wrests some concessions as it agrees to back stronger background checks.

WASHINGTON - Senior Democrats have reached agreement with the National Rifle Association on what could be the first federal gun-control legislation since 1994, a measure to significantly strengthen the national system that checks the backgrounds of gun buyers.

The sensitive talks began in April, days after a mentally ill gunman killed 32 students and teachers at Virginia Tech University. The shooter, Seung Hui Cho, had been judicially ordered to submit to a psychiatric evaluation, which should have disqualified him from buying handguns. But the state of Virginia never forwarded that information to the federal National Instant Check System, and the massacre exposed a loophole in the 13-year-old background-check program.

Under the agreement, participating states would be given monetary enticements for the first time to keep the federal background database up to date, as well as penalties for failing to comply.

To sign on to the deal, the powerful gun lobby won significant concessions from Democratic negotiators in weeks of painstaking talks. Individuals with minor infractions in their pasts could petition their states to have their names removed from the federal database, and about 83, 000 military veterans, put into the system by the Department of Veterans Affairs in 2000 for alleged mental health reasons, would have a chance to clean their records.

The federal government would be permanently barred from charging gun buyers or sellers a fee for their background checks. In addition, faulty records such as duplicative names or expunged convictions would have to be scrubbed from the database.

"The NRA worked diligently with the concerns of gun owners and law enforcement in mind to make a ... system that's better for gun owners and better for law enforcement, " said House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman John Dingell, D-Mich., a former NRA board member, who led the talks.

Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., had been pushing similar legislation for years. But her reputation as a staunch opponent of the gun lobby - she came to Congress to promote gun control after her husband was gunned down in a massacre on the Long Island Rail Road - ruined any chance of a deal with the NRA.

Convenient deal

By contrast, this agreement is a marriage of convenience for both sides. Democratic leaders are eager to show that they can respond legislatively to the Virginia Tech rampage, a feat that GOP leaders would not muster after the 1999 shootings at Columbine High School in Colorado. Meanwhile, the NRA was motivated to show it would not stand in the way of a bill that would not harm law-abiding gun buyers. Even so, it drove a hard bargain to quiet its smaller but more vociferous rival, Gun Owners of America.

Chris W. Cox, the NRA's chief lobbyist, said Saturday that the organization will strongly support the legislation as written. "We've been on record for decades for keeping firearms out of the hands of the mentally adjudicated. It's not only good policy, it's good politics, " he said. But Cox warned that if the legislation becomes a "gun-control wish list" as it moves through Congress, the NRA will withdraw its support.


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Individuals with minor infractions in their pasts could petition their states to have their names removed from the federal database

Only those who have been convicted of a felony, are under indictment on felony charges, and/or have been adjudicated mentally ill, are prohibited from purchasing firearms.

(See: ATF Form 4473)

So, why will "minor infractions" even be included in the Federal database?

And what "minor infractions"? Jay walking? Traffic tickets?

I drove by a dead skunk on the road a few days ago.

That dead skunk smelled better than this NRA "compromise".

1 posted on 06/10/2007 7:40:03 AM PDT by holymoly
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To: holymoly
Its a good deal. But if the Democrats renege on their agreement, the NRA will oppose it.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 06/10/2007 7:42:46 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: holymoly

In Illinois Guns Save A Life, Burma Shave type signs have been posted along the roadsides but it doesn’t take long for the anti-gunners to pull them down!

http://www.gunssavelife.com/burma.htm

By the way.

I Just received from the NRA pre addressed post cards for me to send to my Illinois representatives from me.

They have to be kidding!

My representatives are:

Senator Dick (Turban) Durbin
Senator Barack (Osama) Obama
U.S Representative Bobby (former Chicago Black Panther Minister of Defense)Rush.

I live in Cook (Crook) County, Illinois enough said.


3 posted on 06/10/2007 7:43:19 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: holymoly

—bflr—


4 posted on 06/10/2007 7:45:58 AM PDT by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: holymoly
Not a good idea. I say arm everyone. Then... when some nutcase decides he/she wants to start shooting innocent people those people will be able to evaluate him/her and pop a cap in his/her arse.

No need for background check. PERIOD!!!

5 posted on 06/10/2007 7:53:04 AM PDT by EndWelfareToday (Live free and keep what you earn. - Tancredo or Hunter)
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To: holymoly

Sorry, I still smell a rat. If someone is deemed a greater-than-average threat to public safety, based on past actions, he should be kept off the streets. Everyone else should be allowed to defend himself.


6 posted on 06/10/2007 7:58:36 AM PDT by Tabi Katz
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To: EndWelfareToday

BINGO!!! I posted my last response before seeing yours - these are my thoughts exactly. Do we really need Uncle Sam poking his nose into our medical records before determining whether the 2nd Amendment applies?


7 posted on 06/10/2007 8:00:33 AM PDT by Tabi Katz
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ...
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
8 posted on 06/10/2007 8:07:29 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: EndWelfareToday
No need for background check. PERIOD!!!

No need for gun laws.

9 posted on 06/10/2007 8:14:36 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (If you don't like rape, don't rape anyone. Don't push your morality on others!)
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To: MichiganConservative

Future revisions will expand the background checks to include teacher’s recommendations, e.g., for Ritalin, etc.


10 posted on 06/10/2007 8:22:02 AM PDT by kcar
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To: holymoly
And what "minor infractions"?

There are many citizens who had been accused of spousal abuse that are prevented from buying firearms without being convicted. This is common in nasty divorces where the wife claims physical abuse, and the court includes this on the husband's record with no evidence.

There are many expunged convictions that still prevent citizens from buying firearms for their protection.

Currently, it is nearly impossible for these people to get their names cleared. The NRA made this a priority.

11 posted on 06/10/2007 8:23:49 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: holymoly

Minor infractions.......

Driving off a bridge leading to the death of a woman

COMMITTING PERJURY WHEN LYING ABOUT SEX IN A FEDERAL OFFICE WITH A WOMAN OTHER THAN YOUR WIFE

HAVING 90 THOUSAND DOLLARS IN MARKED BILLS IN YOUR FREEZER THAT MATCH NUMBER FOR NUMBER THE MONEY IN AN FBI STING

GIVING YOUR LOADED GUN TO AN AIDE WHO IS ARRESTED FOR ITS POSSESSION ON CAPITAL HILL

Need we go on!


12 posted on 06/10/2007 8:32:46 AM PDT by colonialhk (Power and Money,the new mantra of the left!)
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To: KeyLargo
Senator Dick (Turban) Durbin
Senator Barack (Osama) Obama
U.S Representative Bobby (former Chicago Black Panther Minister of Defense)Rush.

Curly, Moe, and Larry.

Looks like the armpit of the country, politically speaking that is..

13 posted on 06/10/2007 8:33:33 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: holymoly
NRA, Democrats reach gun law deal

That headline doesn't exactly warm the cockles of my heart.

14 posted on 06/10/2007 8:34:20 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("All the measures of the law should protect property and punish plunder." --Frederic Bastiat)
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To: holymoly; AnnaZ; lowbridge; feinswinesuksass
But Cox warned that if the legislation becomes a "gun-control wish list" as it moves through Congress, the NRA will withdraw its support.

LOL

15 posted on 06/10/2007 8:37:13 AM PDT by HangFire (I'm only wearing black until they come up with something darker...)
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To: holymoly
More info:

States would be paid to comply.
Under the bill, states voluntarily participating in the system would have to file an audit with the U.S. attorney general of all the criminal cases, mental health adjudications and court-ordered drug treatments that had not been filed with the instant-check system.
The federal government would then pick up 90 percent of the cost for the states to get up to date within 180 days of the audit.
Once the attorney general determines that a state has cleared its backlog, the federal government would begin financing all the costs of keeping the system current. If a state's compliance lapses, the attorney general would be authorized to cut federal law enforcement grants, with more draconian aid cuts mandated if noncompliance stretches longer than a year.
The bill would authorize payments to the states of $250 million a year between 2008 and 2010, when the program would have to be reassessed and reauthorized by Congress.

Only one state, Vermont, does not participate in the instant-check system, and even with the threatened aid cuts, negotiators expressed confidence that no other state would drop out, given the funding that would be available and the stigma that would be attached to withdrawal.
"I can't imagine a scenario where a state would drop out, and say what? 'If you're adjudicated schizophrenic, you can buy your guns here'?" asked a Democratic aide involved directly in the negotiations, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not cleared to speak to reporters.


Can you imagine a scenario where a state would say. 'You're an adjudicated gun nut, and you can't buy your guns here.'?

16 posted on 06/10/2007 8:39:29 AM PDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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To: KeyLargo
I feel your pain. Illinois is pathetic!

Any time the words "Democrats" and "guns" appear in the same sentence, it can mean nothing good.

17 posted on 06/10/2007 8:48:15 AM PDT by Barnacle (Barred from posting on "A Day in the Life of President Bush" threads.)
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To: tpaine; All
Can you imagine a scenario where a state would say. 'You're an adjudicated gun nut, and you can't buy your guns here.'?

Yea. But I have a very vivid imagination. I can also imagine this:

(You go to a gun store to purchase a rifle, and...)

Gun Store Clerk: "According to the FBI back-ground check, you were convicted at the age of 19, of being a minor in possession of alcohol; specificially a partially-consumed six-pack of Budweiser beer. I'm sorry, but you are prohibited by Federal law from purchasing a firearm."

"You may, if you wish, 'petition' the state to have your name removed from the database. Of course, the state isn't required to approve your petition. Have a nice day."

18 posted on 06/10/2007 8:49:13 AM PDT by holymoly (With an anti-gun Congress, we must have a pro-gun President. www.gohunter08.com)
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To: holymoly
Democratic leaders are eager to show that they can respond legislatively to the Virginia Tech rampage, a feat that GOP leaders would not muster after the 1999 shootings at Columbine High School in Colorado.

It doesn't take a gun to kill.

If this were a serious attempt at preventing a killing spree, the focus would be on people and not guns.

If one is he!! bent on rampage, (illness or not) it certainly doesn't take a gun or guns to follow through.

Reference Oklahoma City, 911, or for all that matters, the Boston Strangler or Bundy.

19 posted on 06/10/2007 8:51:50 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Barnacle
Any time the words "Democrats" and "guns" appear in the same sentence, it can mean nothing good.

Anytime the words "Democrats" and "legislation" appear in the same sentence it can't be good!

20 posted on 06/10/2007 8:54:53 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: holymoly
Kleibold and Harris (Columbine) were trenchcoat losers (loners) who sought revenge. Seung Hui Cho was a loser/loner who wanted to exact revenge from the Beamer Set.

Requiring clean mental health in order to obtain a weapon appears to address the problem, but doesn't. Just another bandaid. The only way these rare incidents can be prevented (or minimalized) is to allow citizens to be able to respond immediately with force, wherever necessary.

The chicken-s**ts who plan these things would think differently- were citizens armed and capable of ending such attacks instantly.

21 posted on 06/10/2007 9:01:59 AM PDT by budwiesest
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To: goldstategop
Its a good deal. But if the Democrats renege on their agreement, the NRA will oppose it.
There are some real problems with the data now - people who've done nothing wrong but have been dogged by incorrect paper trails. It looks the the NRA is using the metal records effort to push for some meaningful technical reform. I don't think there's anyone out there who thinks that raging lunatics should be running around with guns. But most of us look at proposals for automatically triggering a lifetime firearms disability because of some past psychological evaluation with a great deal of scepticism. Where is the due process? What is the standard of evidence? How is the decision appealed? What does it take to have the disability removed? It looks the NRA is agreeing to a compromise that includes mental health records in the database, but contains provisions that address these issues - not only with regards to the mental health issues, but in other areas of the database where similar problems exist. If that is what is going on, I'm all for it.
22 posted on 06/10/2007 9:04:57 AM PDT by jdege
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To: holymoly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j73SsNFgBO4


23 posted on 06/10/2007 9:11:24 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (A)
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To: holymoly

Sell-outs all; its a far cry from when C. Heston ran the organization “when the pry it from my cold-dead body!”.

I’d recommend the GOA instead (I’ve heard they’re much better; and don’t really “compromise”).


24 posted on 06/10/2007 9:36:11 AM PDT by JSDude1
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To: EGPWS

South Carolina’s trying “the opposite way”: the leg is pushing for a “bill” allowing concealed cary permit holders to own firearms on school campuses. Which would really make it safer from the “massacre” types..IMO


25 posted on 06/10/2007 9:39:27 AM PDT by JSDude1
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To: Tabi Katz
If someone is deemed a greater-than-average threat to public safety, based on past actions, he should be kept off the streets

So 49% of the population should be behind bars, based on the possibility from some actuarial table that says that they might harms others at some point in the future?!? How much do you despise Freedom and the Constitution... and why?

26 posted on 06/10/2007 9:47:28 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: jdege
Where is the due process? What is the standard of evidence? How is the decision appealed? What does it take to have the disability removed?

All great questions. The answer is the the federal government is treading into water where they need not be. A lot of people are going to be 'railroaded' into these government databases... some will just be perfectly normal and others may or may not be wacky. The federal government screws up almost everything they touch.... this has to be left alone.
27 posted on 06/10/2007 10:01:42 AM PDT by BigTom85 (Proud Gun Owner and Member of NRA)
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To: holymoly
But Cox warned that if the legislation becomes a "gun-control wish list" as it moves through Congress, the NRA will withdraw its support.

If Chris Cox actually asserted that, he should be removed from his position at the NRA.

It's patently ridiculous. Of course the Democrat leadership will paste all kinds of gun control nonsense in the bill --- has he forgotten the "Firearms Owners Protection Act" that also became a machine gun ban?

The NRA should not be giving the Democrats any chance to pass gun control legislation. Withdrawing assent if something goes wrong is akin to closing the barn door after the horse runs away.

28 posted on 06/10/2007 10:09:33 AM PDT by snowsislander (NRA)
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To: holymoly

The definition of bi-partisan is the the ‘Rats get what they want. They also renege on all deals. Principles matter. The NRA has gone RINO.


29 posted on 06/10/2007 10:13:29 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Defeat the traitor McCain for President. Job #1.)
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To: holymoly
In protest, I "opted out" of the Brady background check when it went into effect in the mid 90's....

Since then I have purchased all my firearms from individuals - cash only. As far as the federal government knows I don't even own a gun and that's the way I intend to keep it.

As far as I know I'm not in any of the banned databases and don't see any reason why I would ever be. But I would rather not take the chance that some low level government functionary might mistakenly add my name to a list.

30 posted on 06/10/2007 10:18:07 AM PDT by apillar
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To: snowsislander

All NRA members need to get involved with electing board members. They are leaning more and more liberal with board members like open borders Grover Norquist.


31 posted on 06/10/2007 10:18:12 AM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: BigTom85; jdege; y'all
jdege
Where is the due process? What is the standard of evidence? How is the decision appealed? What does it take to have the disability removed?

All great questions. The answer is the the federal government is treading into water where they need not be.
A lot of people are going to be ‘railroaded’ into these government databases... some will just be perfectly normal and others may or may not be wacky. The federal government screws up almost everything they touch.... this has to be left alone.
BigTom85

The power to regulate v. the power to prohibit
Address:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1419654/posts

The thread above answers many of those questions.

32 posted on 06/10/2007 10:18:33 AM PDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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To: holymoly
Minor infractions already are included in the federal database. If you have a misdemeanor conviction for domestic violence you are thereafter barred from owning firearms. I have a friend who lost his firearm rights on just such a charge. He came home and found his soon to be ex-wife drunk and in a foul mood. They commenced to arguing and at one point she went outside and started screaming. Unfortunately for him, he didn't want to make a scene in front of the neighbors, so he forcibly grabbed her and pulled her back inside and apparently he left a bruise on her arm in the process. He never punched her, beat her or did anything other than restrain her until she had calmed down, but afterwards she waited a few hours to sober up and went to the police.

The DA wanted to charge him with unlawful imprisonment, (a felony), and he plead it down to a misdemeanor charge punished by home monitoring and probation. Had it been me, I would have fought it out in court, but he was in the middle of a divorce and wanted to be able to still see his son. Unfortunately for him, he'll probably never be able to own a gun again.

So these are the kinds of minor infractions that are already included in the federal database. If this new legislation allows people like my friend to get their rights back and keeps a few documented psychos, like Seung Hui Cho, from buying guns, then I'm for it.

33 posted on 06/10/2007 10:22:33 AM PDT by elmer fudd (Fukoku kyohei)
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To: apillar; y'all
In protest, I "opted out" of the Brady background check when it went into effect in the mid 90's.... Since then I have purchased all my firearms from individuals - cash only.

Catch 22. - Residents of Calif are felons if they try to opt out.

Coming soon to a State near you.

34 posted on 06/10/2007 10:24:34 AM PDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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To: JSDude1
Which would really make it safer from the “massacre” types..IMO

It would make them work harder at planning their sick directive, however the drive in their intent would make it possible for them to accomplish their feat of destruction of life with or without firearms.

Sickness may be an excuse, however the outcome is the same.

Meanwhile, ALL rights given to us who don't tote this directive of destruction are lost and as it is proved to be not enough to stop those who are mindfully set on death and destruction, we are placed in a cocoon of mandated protection which leaves us unable to defend ourselves individually.

Thus, freedom is lost.

35 posted on 06/10/2007 10:25:10 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: holymoly
But Cox warned that if the legislation becomes a "gun-control wish list" as it moves through Congress, the NRA will withdraw its support.

It's going to happen, guaranteed. You can't make a binding deal with a liar and you never want to make a deal with the devil. Democrats are both.......

36 posted on 06/10/2007 10:26:39 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (......)
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To: goldstategop

It’s too late. No matter what the Dems pile onto it, any opposition the NRA could mount now would make as much difference as peeing in the ocean. I think they’ve gotten my last money.


37 posted on 06/10/2007 10:27:37 AM PDT by oldfart (The most dangerous man is the one who has nothing left to lose.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Additionally people convicted of misdemenor gun infractions such as illegally carrying concealed weapons, carrying a gun unlocked or loaded firearms in a vehicle, etc. have been consdered guilty of “firearms violations” and put on the banned list. If this allows them to be removed that would be a very good thing.


38 posted on 06/10/2007 10:30:20 AM PDT by Hugin (Mecca delenda est.)
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To: colonialhk
colonialhk said: "GIVING YOUR LOADED GUN TO AN AIDE WHO IS ARRESTED FOR ITS POSSESSION ON CAPITAL HILL"

I don't support criminalizing the keeping and bearing of arms. Neither the Senator nor the aide deserve to be denied the protection of the Second Amendment.

39 posted on 06/10/2007 10:31:49 AM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: tpaine
Residents of Calif are felons if they try to opt out.

And the band plays on....

40 posted on 06/10/2007 10:32:08 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: elmer fudd
So these are the kinds of minor infractions that are already included in the federal database. If this new legislation allows people like my friend to get their rights back and keeps a few documented psychos, like Seung Hui Cho, from buying guns, then I'm for it.

In effect, you're betting your right to own and carry a weapon on that big 'IF'.

We can't ~allow~ this database type of infringement, period. - Such a power is, and always will be abused.
Bet on that.

41 posted on 06/10/2007 10:40:30 AM PDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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To: holymoly
What a deal! A hundred thousand (or more) people will “have the opportunity” to go to court to clear their names so they will “have the chance” of passing a background check to get, or keep, a gun.

And NRA staunchly defends Mitt Romney for the Massachusetts Assault Weapons Ban- I mean, firearms reform bill that reduced the size of the carry permit to one that will fit your wallet.

Of course, once the legislation is passed and the courts and BATFE come up with “reasonable regulations” under which the opportunity to clear your name will be turned into legal process, NRA will be working toward their next compromise and will defend the last one.

42 posted on 06/10/2007 10:42:28 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: holymoly

The NRA compromises again?


43 posted on 06/10/2007 10:53:44 AM PDT by Old 300
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To: holymoly
As much as I'd love to sound off with NO GUN LAWS PERIOD! I am forced to be realistic and admit they are with us to stay. That being the case, this is a good deal especially for those 83,000 VETS turned over to the database with no legal recourse for being depressed and seeking help from the VA! Now there is a law in place to keep that from happening.

A lot of folks were kept in the database for merely having harsh words for an ex-wife. Think that's right? The old rules had a lot of wiggle room. This should tighten things a bit. I wish the NRA had fought for national reciprocity, too. But that would have queered the deal, I'll bet. As far as I'm concerned this kind of legislation should slow down the overall juggernaut agenda of the extremeists until we can get a more solid progun majority and President into place.

Yes I'm suspicious of any deal the RATs agree to that would tend to offer us anything as a "concession." So we'll trust for now....trust but verify. If they try to add more of their wish list, it'll be easy to scream "breach of trust" and fight it. Then it makes them devote more and more resources in an election year which raises the issue even higher into the public eye. West-by-God-Virginia went Republican for the first time in decades during the 2000 election on JUST this issue! That cost Gore the White House.

44 posted on 06/10/2007 11:14:41 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: holymoly
Mentally ill? So I guess if you ever feel blue and the doctor gives you some zoloft, you're on the database?

The NRA shouldn't even sit at the table with these idiots. But I lost faith in them when they backed Ron Paul's opponent in the last election when Ron Paul is the best gun rights legislator in the entire congress. They backed the dem against Paul.
45 posted on 06/10/2007 11:17:54 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: holymoly

The 1934, and 1968 gun control acts were also supported by the NRA.


46 posted on 06/10/2007 11:57:33 AM PDT by zeugma (MS Vista has detected your mouse has moved, Cancel or Allow?)
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To: Tabi Katz
If someone is deemed a greater-than-average threat to public safety, based on past actions........

Well frickin HECK!!

All of both houses of Congress fit that description....

47 posted on 06/10/2007 12:01:27 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: elmer fudd
If this new legislation allows people like my friend to get their rights back and keeps a few documented psychos, like Seung Hui Cho, from buying guns, then I'm for it.

Which goes right back to the FACT that once Hinkley Psycho finds out they can't buy a gun legally they will just find one illegally. It's beyond laughable that anyone would think a law will stop a criminal or a psycho from obtaining a weapon.

48 posted on 06/10/2007 12:07:51 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: BigTom85
A lot of people are going to be 'railroaded' into these government databases..
A lot of people already are being railroaded into these databases.

Like I said, if in the process of adding provisions for mental health background checks, we can establish due process protections for not only those who are hit by mental health checks, but for all the rest, too, I think it's a good deal.

It depends very much upon the specific technical details of the bill. But there are folks at the NRA who understand this stuff as well as anyone in the world.

Consider Thomas Lamar Bean - a gun dealer who got hit with a federal felony conviction because an employee put a box of ammo in his car after a gun show, and he crossed into Mexico without realizing its presence. He's no threat to anyone, but he's stuck with a lifetime firearms disability. Federal law establishes a process by which such a disability can be removed, but Congress has blocked it.

If, as a part of this compromise, this process was made active again, would it change your mind about the value of the compromise?

This could be, depending upon the details, a good bill.

49 posted on 06/10/2007 12:14:42 PM PDT by jdege
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Reference Oklahoma City, 911, or for all that matters, the Boston Strangler or Bundy.

If you're not particular about who gets killed, driving a car into a street fair at 70 MPH is pretty effective too. That just happened in the Washington D.C. area within the last couple weeks. Witnesses on the scene recognized the driver and observed that she appeared to be sucking on a crack pipe as she drove into the crowd. The death toll was close to 13 people.

50 posted on 06/10/2007 12:31:16 PM PDT by Myrddin
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