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Let's see if Al Gore can answer this one (Letter To The Editor)
National Post [Canada] ^ | Saturday, June 09, 2007 | Frederick Gall

Posted on 06/10/2007 8:59:55 AM PDT by canuck_conservative

In the matter of "greenhouse gases," carbon dioxide is, shall we say, the gas du jour. We should surely be up to date and knowledgeable on CO2, which is said to be forming a kind of blanket which prevents the escape of all this global heat to outer space.

So can I table the question: How does the carbon dioxide get up there?

Carbon dioxide is one-and-a-half times heavier than air. I doubt even Al Gore would try to challenge that. So why doesn't it just lie around at ground level like autumn mist, and, of course, choke us all to death?

Frederick Gall, Ottawa.


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Not my letter, but something I've always wondered about, too.
1 posted on 06/10/2007 8:59:58 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: canuck_conservative
CO2 is very slighty denser than air, but the difference is so slight that any movement of the air at all causes the two to mix.
2 posted on 06/10/2007 9:03:08 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: canuck_conservative

How come when It’s Raining Men Al Gore stays perfectly dry?


3 posted on 06/10/2007 9:04:57 AM PDT by whereasandsoforth (Stamp out liberals with the big boot of truth)
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To: canuck_conservative

Heat also causes gasses to expand, reducing density. If the exhaust is warmer than the atmosphere, it will rise until temperatures reach equilibrium, at least.


4 posted on 06/10/2007 9:05:21 AM PDT by AntiFed
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To: samtheman
CO2 is very slighty denser than air, but the difference is so slight that any movement of the air at all causes the two to mix.
Keep moving please.
5 posted on 06/10/2007 9:05:38 AM PDT by Asclepius (protectionists would outsource our dignity and prosperity in return for illusory job security)
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To: canuck_conservative

If you ever figure that one out about Carbon Dioxide, you can start working on how Freon, which is much heavier than CO2, ever made its way up into the Ionosphere and started destroying Ozone.

After all, Al Gore got his start in this climate change game with his “Ozone Hole” scam.


6 posted on 06/10/2007 9:08:51 AM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Asclepius

The troposphere (the bottom layer of the atmosphere extending upward from the surface for 6 to 10 kilometers) is well mixed due to turbulence caused by surface friction.


7 posted on 06/10/2007 9:10:39 AM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (Swift as the wind; Calmly majestic as a forest; Steady as the mountains.)
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To: canuck_conservative
In the 70's, they told us we were entering an ice age. Since Al Gore has been running around opening his mouth, we now have a global warming issue.

Anybody besides me see the connection?

In order to stop the spewing hot air, maybe Al Gore needs to shut his mouth. That'll fix the global warming problem.


8 posted on 06/10/2007 9:13:20 AM PDT by do the dhue (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I wont - George S. Patton Jr)
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To: canuck_conservative

“How does the carbon dioxide get up there”

Easy; years before Bush, Cheney, and Rove, et al, planned the 9/11 attacks and before they secretly blew up the levees in N.O., Bush had a special machine built that sends the CO2 up there and warms the earth so he ruin the planet.


9 posted on 06/10/2007 9:13:31 AM PDT by bws53
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To: canuck_conservative
So can I table the question: How does the carbon dioxide get up there?

Stop questioning Algore and his vast knowledge augmented by his commendable, yet selfless attempt to prevent the end of humanity by the year 2050!

The man is a deity in his own right.

Are YOU smart enough to be able to determine the date of the destruction of humanity and the reason for it as Algore has so keenly been able to do? /s

Join the flock and give up your hard earned labor to Algore and save the planet!

Asking questions of disbelief just prevents Algore from being the Saviour of the planet. LOL!

10 posted on 06/10/2007 9:15:26 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: canuck_conservative

CO2 is a component of air. It’s not ‘heavier than air.’ It is heavier than some of the other gasses that make up air.


11 posted on 06/10/2007 9:16:34 AM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (The GOP is "Whig"ing out.)
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To: bws53

This is true, but before Reagan feel ill, he gave them the idea. Kinda like SDI.


12 posted on 06/10/2007 9:16:38 AM PDT by do the dhue (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I wont - George S. Patton Jr)
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To: do the dhue
fergot my /sac
13 posted on 06/10/2007 9:17:00 AM PDT by do the dhue (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I wont - George S. Patton Jr)
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To: EGPWS

You should have changed your tag line to, ‘Trust in Gore, question everyone else.’

/sac


14 posted on 06/10/2007 9:20:17 AM PDT by do the dhue (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I wont - George S. Patton Jr)
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To: canuck_conservative
Al Gore is what was left after the best part ran down his daddies leg.

It is the hot gas out of Washibngton DC that is elevating the CO2. Gore has specified two types of CO2 I am waiting for his third type.

How could anyone with the common sense of a goose believe anything this Jerk-off says.

15 posted on 06/10/2007 9:21:21 AM PDT by Tannerone (FEED ALL TERRORIST LIVE AND OTHERWISE TO STARVED HOGS)
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To: bws53
Easy; years before Bush, Cheney, and Rove, et al, planned the 9/11 attacks and before they secretly blew up the levees in N.O., Bush had a special machine built that sends the CO2 up there and warms the earth so he ruin the planet.

And thanks to Dubya's treachery, we are all going to be strapped with carbon credits and take our standard of living down a couple of notches. /s

Thank heavens Algore was there to see the demise created for selfish gain and will be able to save humanity before it is too late.

The man is a God.

16 posted on 06/10/2007 9:21:21 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine
The troposphere (the bottom layer of the atmosphere extending upward from the surface for 6 to 10 kilometers) is well mixed due to turbulence caused by surface friction.

And convective activity caused by the uneven heating of the Earth's surface plays a significant role, too. We glider pilots call 'em thermals, and, as such, that's where I got my name. I've seen grass, shingles, leaves, spiders (and webs), and many other "heavier than air" objects well over 5 km aloft thanks to thermal activity. I even once saw an ultralight airplane picked up about 5' off the ground, turned 180 degrees and gently sat back down, much to the amazement of all who watched and the guy sitting in the pilot's seat.

In fact, I'm headed out right now to explore for some of these some times elusive critters....wish me luck!

17 posted on 06/10/2007 9:23:52 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Just the facts ma'am)
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To: Tannerone
How could anyone with the common sense of a goose believe anything this Jerk-off says.

They can't however "koolaid" intake breaks down common sense producing enzymes. ; )

18 posted on 06/10/2007 9:23:56 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: EGPWS
Are YOU smart enough to be able to determine the date of the destruction of humanity....

They can hardly predict the weather, correctly that is, more than a week in advance. And, he, Algore, is predicting 40 years into the future? What a moron, as are all of his followers!

19 posted on 06/10/2007 9:26:35 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Soon to be Fredbacker1)
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To: canuck_conservative

Beacause all gases are soluble in all gases, and all gases are solutes of other gases.

Translation: all gases eventually mix equally in a ‘closed system’. At the molecualr level, Brownian movement does it. At the atmospheric level convection and winds do it.


20 posted on 06/10/2007 9:28:36 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Bushbacker1
What a moron, as are all of his followers!

He's a self promoting tycoon, only his followers are morons.

21 posted on 06/10/2007 9:30:15 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Bushbacker1

I like your tagline! : - )


22 posted on 06/10/2007 9:31:31 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: canuck_conservative

Interesting how all these stories and debates on “global warming” never make any mention whatsoever about the percent composition of our atmosphere and always mention Carbon Dioxide amounts in absolute tons (rather than percentages).

Here’s a little 3rd grade Science lesson for Algore and his loyal minnions of biased “scientists” on the composition of air:

Nitrogen = 78.084 %
Oxygen = 20.9476 %
Argon = 0.934 %

Carbon Dioxide = 0.0314 %

Neon = 0.001818 %
Methane = 0.0002 %
Helium = 0.000524 %
Krypton = 0.000114 %
Hydrogen = 0.00005 %
Xenon = 0.0000087 %
http://www.physlink.com/reference/AirComposition.cfm

Nature puts our roughly 90% of the CO2 on the earth while all of human activity contributes approximately 10%. Now given that for each unit of air only 0.000314 of it is C02 (an odorless and colorless gas) and only 10% of that is caused by humans, that means that for 1 unit of air only 0.0000314 is the CO2 caused by humans. Even if all of humanity stops breathing and we all cease all activities and we contribute no additional CO2 it will have a completely negligible effect on the global temperature. Don’t forget the ten thousand year climate cycles we do not control, the warming trend that caused Greenland to be green (before us horrible American started driving and flying), and the little Ice Age that caused the death and starvation of millions in Europe.

Multiple serious scientific studies has shown that more than 95% of the actual warming is caused by the SUN and the Cloud Cover that traps heat as it radiates from the surface of the planet. How on earth can we control the Sun and the Clouds?

Has Algore bothered with these absolutely key and critical issues in his biased propaganda piece that even a 3rd grade can easily debunk? Not a chance! He would rather put out his idiotic Sky is Falling movie based on junk science.


23 posted on 06/10/2007 9:32:03 AM PDT by ezfindit (OrthodoxNet.com - Shining the Light of Wisdom and Truth)
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To: canuck_conservative

24 posted on 06/10/2007 9:33:07 AM PDT by Beowulf
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To: Thermalseeker
We glider pilots call 'em thermals, and, as such, that's where I got my name.

KEWL!!

I've never been in a glider.

I bet it's a peaceful and quiet bast to experience.

25 posted on 06/10/2007 9:34:24 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: canuck_conservative

How do they measure a global CO2 concentration anyway? Anybody know?


26 posted on 06/10/2007 9:35:56 AM PDT by Mr. Peabody
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To: Beowulf

Mars and some of the moons orbiting the gas giants are also experiencing warming trends. I wonder if Internet Al could explain to us humans what exactly is the human component of those warming trends.


27 posted on 06/10/2007 9:38:33 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: canuck_conservative

Al Gore still has his head swimming from the time when he was nominated as presidential candidate and lost his claim to fame but won’t give up his attachment to fame. He could reclaim his fame better if he would seek first the truth.


28 posted on 06/10/2007 9:38:47 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (global boiling - the latest effort of the left to eliminate private industry and tax the hell out of)
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To: Mr. Peabody
How do they measure a global CO2 concentration anyway? Anybody know?

Yes, by the monitoring of hard earned cash flow and the change in the total amount of cash available to transfer.

29 posted on 06/10/2007 9:38:51 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Blueflag

It took 20 posts for someone to state the correct answer, Brownian motion.

As an aside, CO_2 is often in greater concentration near the surface, but that is because soil and sea water slowly emit CO_2 and they also are sinks for CO_2 varying with season and temperature.


30 posted on 06/10/2007 9:39:07 AM PDT by Poincare
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To: Mr. Peabody

You take a heap’o’measurements, make a heap’o’guesses and jump to a heap’o’conclusions.


31 posted on 06/10/2007 9:39:29 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: ezfindit

If there is that much argon, we need to tax welders and torch companies!


32 posted on 06/10/2007 9:42:54 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8...down to 3..GWB, we hardly knew ye...)
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To: ezfindit
Nature puts our roughly 90% of the CO2 on the earth while all of human activity contributes approximately 10%.

In other words, nature contributes approximately 100% of CO2.

Since when were humans found to be outside of the realm of nature?

33 posted on 06/10/2007 9:43:29 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: RaceBannon
If there is that much argon, we need to tax welders and torch companies!

Argon credits is the ONLY way to cut down on the amount of welded steel in our lives!

34 posted on 06/10/2007 9:45:30 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: canuck_conservative

Atomic masses:
O 16
N 14
C 12
H 1

Molecular masses:
diatomic oxygen: 32
diatomic nitrogen: 28
Approx average atomic mass of air (roughly 1/5 oxygen, 4/5 nitrogen): 28.8
carbon dioxide: 44
water: 16

So here is the explanation: CONVECTION. The air in the lowest layer of the atmosphere (the troposphere) is constantly turning over, worldwide. In spite of the higher density of carbon dioxide, its molecules are very, very small, and so do not fall independently of the air around them with a rate fast enough to amount to anything. A mass of carbon dioxide by itself will sink (as from sublimated dry ice), but carbon dioxide molecules cannot easily unmix from the molecules of other constituents of the air, because individually they are very small, and small things settle slowly.

Look now at water: its mass is similarly much smaller than the average molecular mass of air. Humid air masses are less dense than dry one (other things being equal), but water molecules do not rise easily by themselves. They are up there in the upper reaches of the atmosphere, as we can easily determine by sampling, or simply by looking at all the clouds. Nonetheless, water is a commoner constituent of the atmosphere near the surface than aloft. There are several reasons for this, which I will leave for later, but note that the stratosphere (the next layer above the troposphere) is very, very dry. Thge highest humidities tend to be near the Earth’s surface. “Higher is drier.”

The constant convection of the troposphere leaves the mixture of tropospheric air very uniform, except for water content. That is why the composition of the troposphere (and other parts of the atmosphere) is usually cited as dry composition. The water content varies so widely, because of being locally added and removed from the air, that we consider it separately, and call it “humidity.”

The conclusion: carbon dioxide is well mixed in the troposphere, and that is the huge bulk of the Earth’s atmosphere, with its upper limit (the tropause) at from 8 to 18 km elevation.

So, this issue has no direct bearing on the global warming issue.


35 posted on 06/10/2007 9:46:12 AM PDT by docbnj
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To: canuck_conservative
Since H2O causes ~ 90% of the greenhouse gas effect, I propose that H2O emissions be controlled immediately. No more watering of lawns, oil to be poured on all lakes to prevent evaporation, cut down all those trees that respirate water, etc.
36 posted on 06/10/2007 9:47:21 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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To: samtheman
CO2 is very slighty denser than air, but the difference is so slight that any movement of the air at all causes the two to mix.

Anybody can say anything on the internet, but that doesn't mean it's true.

It's been a long time since I studied this stuff but my recollection is that the density of a gas at a given temperature is proportional to its molecular weight. Nitrogen gas which is the primary component of the lower atmosphere has a molecular weight of 28. Oxygen which makes up almost all of the remainder is 32. Carbon Dioxide has a molecular weight of 44. So I think the letter writer is correct.

ML/NJ

37 posted on 06/10/2007 9:48:34 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ezfindit
Multiple serious scientific studies has shown that more than 95% of the actual warming is caused by the SUN and the Cloud Cover that traps heat as it radiates from the surface of the planet.

Damn sun is going to be the death of us yet unless Algore can find the funding to regulate it's output!

38 posted on 06/10/2007 9:48:50 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: docbnj

Someone has cited Brownian Motion as the mechanism for mixing carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. Ingenious answer, but I think not. Brownian Motion is at a very, very small scale.

For admospheric mixing, CONVECTION beats Brownian Motion, probably by a factor of millions.


39 posted on 06/10/2007 9:50:26 AM PDT by docbnj
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To: canuck_conservative

They say there aren’t any dumb questions, but sometimes I doubt that.


40 posted on 06/10/2007 9:50:37 AM PDT by edsheppa
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To: ml/nj
Anybody can say anything on the internet, but that doesn't mean it's true.

That's because Algore invented the Internet and his primary focus is on untruths.

41 posted on 06/10/2007 9:51:19 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: EGPWS

I went up in a glider once and was surprised by all the noise - wind noise as the glider rushes through the air at ~ 100 mph(?) and all sorts of banging caused by minor turbulence on the airframe.


42 posted on 06/10/2007 9:52:15 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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To: Paladin2
No more watering of lawns,...

No,No,No!

Just tax the he!! out of watering to save the earth!

If we quit watering lawns then watering of lawns can't be taxed!

43 posted on 06/10/2007 9:54:24 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: docbnj

NO, it not convection, which is sufficient but not necessary cause. Brownian motion will mix the gases in the absence of convection, wind, turbulance, etc.

If you put the gases in a chamber without convection, etc., they will mix.


44 posted on 06/10/2007 9:56:03 AM PDT by Poincare
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To: ml/nj

>> Anybody can say anything on the internet, but that doesn’t mean it’s true.

You should also factor in the circulatory effects of water vapor, air temperature, & pressure currents.


45 posted on 06/10/2007 9:56:58 AM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: Paladin2
I went up in a glider once and was surprised by all the noise - wind noise as the glider rushes through the air at ~ 100 mph(?) and all sorts of banging caused by minor turbulence on the airframe.

It certainly can't compare to the noise experienced by one in a P-51 at 250 kts when removing their DC headset in flight.

My ears will never be the same....

46 posted on 06/10/2007 9:57:15 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Gene Eric
You should also factor in the circulatory effects of water vapor, air temperature, & pressure currents.

Yes, I know. docbnj had a reasonable answer to the original question posted at #35. My point was only the the supposed "best answer" to this question from the linked site appeared to me to be wrong.

ML/NJ

47 posted on 06/10/2007 10:01:26 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: EGPWS

Once you become deaf, the noise level seems to abate quite a bit. ;-)


48 posted on 06/10/2007 10:03:16 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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To: docbnj
So, this issue has no direct bearing on the global warming issue.

Your consumption of the "drink" is obviously below the set standards created for our own good.

You need to go and quench your thirst via the koolaid and then perhaps you will start talking in lockstep. LOL!

49 posted on 06/10/2007 10:04:26 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: canuck_conservative

Lake inversion is also a very dangerous source of CO2. I learned all about here on FR!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1840968/posts


50 posted on 06/10/2007 10:04:31 AM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
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