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House rejects security fence at the border
The Business Journal ^ | Friday, June 15, 2007 | Not Identified

Posted on 06/16/2007 5:18:55 AM PDT by radar101

The U.S. House of Representatives shot down a proposal Friday by U.S. Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz, that would have built an 854-mile, double layered security fences along the Mexican border.

Franks noted that only 13 miles of a Mexican border fence approved last year have been built and that the fencing is needed to improve border security.

"With over 4,000 people crossing our southern border illegally every day, our border remains one of our country's most critical national security vulnerabilities. In order to carry out an act of terrorism, a militant Islamist simply needs a porous border and a dangerous weapon," said Franks in a statement.

Franks represents Glendale, Peoria, Sun City and Kingman.

The fence plan failed by 272 to 149 votes. Most Democrats (including Arizona congressional members Harry Mitchell, Gabrielle Giffords , Ed Pastor and Raul Grijalva) voted against the border fence plan.

Most Republicans (including Franks and fellow Arizona Reps. Rick Renzi and John Shadegg) voted for the comprehensive fence plan.

Mesa GOP Congressman Jeff Flake crossed party lines and vote against the border fence bill.

The House did approve an overall homeland and border security appropriations bill Friday. Mitchell said he backed that bill because it allocates federal money to hire more Border Patrol Agents and resources to deport violent illegal immigrant criminals.

"Deporting those illegal immigrants who have committed violent crimes is absolutely imperative to keeping our communities safe," Mitchell said in a statement. Mitchell represents Tempe and Scottsdale.

The state's four Democratic representatives and Renzi voted for the final bill. Flake, Franks and Shadegg opposed.

The votes could be a precursor to a big political fight over immigration reforms, a guest worker program and how to deal with the 12 million illegal immigrants already in the U.S.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; fence; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist; noamnestyforillegals; sellouts
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To: snippy_about_it
Only those who don't know their history think the confederate flag is offensive.

True. But the fact is that the media focuses on one thing to delegitimize the actual reason for the march. This is about abuse of power, special interests and American sovereignty. No need to see Geraldo denouncing it as a bunch of racists throwing a tantrum.

You could have Lou Dobbs, Dennis Miller, Laura Ingraham, Duncan Hunter and the like speak. Get Border Patrol up there, Ramos and Campeons family, legal immigrants who did it the hard way. I heard a black radio host from LA on Rush one day and he was pissed. Get a broad spectrum of Americans, hell see if anyone from the CBC would speak. This is an American issue, force the Dems to sweat too.

101 posted on 06/16/2007 7:41:38 AM PDT by nativist (Weigh into them!)
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To: radar101

What a wonderful photo op with the “stars and stripes” boldly displayed....just before Ted and the rest of the traitors wiped their ass with it.


102 posted on 06/16/2007 7:42:10 AM PDT by gathersnomoss (If General Patton was alive, he would slap many faces!!)
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To: Czar; Borax Queen; janetgreen; potlatch; devolve
---->The fence plan failed by 272 to 149 votes. Most Democrats (including Arizona congressional members Harry Mitchell, Gabrielle Giffords , Ed Pastor and Raul Grijalva) voted against the border fence plan.

Most Republicans (including Franks and fellow Arizona Reps. Rick Renzi and John Shadegg) voted for the comprehensive fence plan.

PING!

103 posted on 06/16/2007 7:43:13 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: radar101
The House of Representatives and the Senate voted last year to build the fence. The President signed it into law. They allocated the funds for it. Unless they passed a law rescinding that...BUILD THE FENCE!

These people voting like this, against something that became law last year, that they, at the time voted for out of political expediency...have no honor, no virtue...they violate their oaths of office daily, cavalierly.

104 posted on 06/16/2007 7:43:39 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: radar101
The House of Representatives and the Senate voted last year to build the fence. The President signed it into law. They allocated the funds for it. Unless they passed a law rescinding that...BUILD THE FENCE!

These people voting like this, against something that became law last year, that they, at the time voted for out of political expediency...have no honor, no virtue...they violate their oaths of office daily, cavalierly.

105 posted on 06/16/2007 7:43:42 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Mr. Mojo
I was at the Guadelupe River in central Texas last year rafting and camping. In the cabin near me were three dope smokin 60’s hippies complete with long gray pony tails. I chatted with them and asked them if they came down very often and they told me they were on their way to work with the Minutemen for a week. I was stunned to say the least.
106 posted on 06/16/2007 7:44:42 AM PDT by nativist (Weigh into them!)
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To: dalereed; Sacajaweau
“Guess she found out that the Hispanics don’t vote for “fences”.”

You've got that right. The first thing "undocumented Americans" do when they get a little cash together is go out and install a nice wrought iron fence.

107 posted on 06/16/2007 7:45:54 AM PDT by Chuck Dent
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To: WestCoastGal
It all appears hopeless to me, they want to ruin this country for some reason that I haven't figured out yet.

Immigration and Usurpation - Real reason why your Senator wants this immigration amnesty bill

109 posted on 06/16/2007 7:49:35 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: ncjetsfan

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll486.xml

click for the list of traitors


110 posted on 06/16/2007 7:50:27 AM PDT by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd (PBUH---Pigblood be upon him))
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To: Founding Father

Intersting that neither Ron Paul or Tom Tancredo voted.


111 posted on 06/16/2007 7:55:13 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Jeff Head

I’m confused. Are they talking about the same 854 mile fence that has been signed into law and has already been started with money allocated to finish it? This makes NO sense.


112 posted on 06/16/2007 7:59:30 AM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: blam

Check your FReepmail.


113 posted on 06/16/2007 7:59:43 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: Founding Father


114 posted on 06/16/2007 8:01:37 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Farmer Dean

My butt kissing democrat congressman sent me a long bulk email telling me why he is for the bill .

We have elected fools folks


115 posted on 06/16/2007 8:02:59 AM PDT by ears_to_hear
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To: AuntB
I’m confused. Are they talking about the same 854 mile fence that has been signed into law and has already been started with money allocated to finish it? This makes NO sense.

Yes, I'm confused about the same thing.

We have no representative republic any longer. Only a government of anarchists catering to lawbreakers.

116 posted on 06/16/2007 8:05:12 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


117 posted on 06/16/2007 8:05:38 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: GoreNoMore
Bush is trying to break the republican party so Hillary will have the baton

Yep, that appears to be Bush's plan. First get a congressional Democrat majority so it'd be easier to push amnesty through, then get his father's good friend and collaborator's wife into the Oval Office. Then watch as the U.S. middle class dissolves, the vast majority of citizens become utterly dependent on government, borders are erased, and the political class and their big donors enjoy their unprecedented power behind their fortresses.

But they're in for a nasty surprise.

118 posted on 06/16/2007 8:06:48 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Diogenesis

Consider that stolen...thanks for posting that.

119 posted on 06/16/2007 8:07:46 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo

"Ted, your 'Amnesty, Disease and Felon Importation Act of 2007' to Chappaquidick America was brilliant.
But your latest idea of using HAMAS from Gaza to replace TSA Inspectors is truly inspired."

120 posted on 06/16/2007 8:09:27 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Diogenesis

lol!


121 posted on 06/16/2007 8:11:04 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Diogenesis
Following up on your graph from the McCaskill website, I found this:

IMMIGRATION

Claire wants our laws to be enforced, our borders protected, and employers held accountable for hiring illegal immigrants. The Bush Administration has failed to secure our borders and to take seriously the problem of illegal immigration. Claire does not support amnesty. As a former prosecutor, Claire believes people who break the law should be held accountable, both illegal immigrants and the employers who exploit them for cheap labor.

Eleven to twelve million illegal immigrants currently reside in the United States thanks to this Administration’s failure to secure our borders. The Bush Administration has refused to enforce the laws we have on the books and clearly did not make border security or immigration reform a priority until an election year. Last year, President Bush chose to only fund 210 extra Border Patrol agents after Congress authorized an additional 10,000 agents over five years. In addition, audits of employers who use illegals has declined from 8,000 under the Clinton Administration to 2,200 in 2003. In 2004, only THREE employers were fined for hiring illegal labor. This was down from 1999, when 417 businesses were fined. This failure is inexcusable.

Until the President and Congress can move forward on this agenda, Claire does not believe we need any new guest worker programs undermining American workers. While building a fence along the border in some of our most porous areas is an appropriate first step, rampant illegal immigration will not be resolved until this Administration stops taking care of special interests who care more about access to cheap-labor than they do about securing our borders.

While the Bush Administration has neglected its duties, states and local government have borne the costs of cracking down on illegal immigration. This year, the President even proposed eliminating the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program (SCAAP) which helps overburdened local municipalities deal with the costs of incarcerating illegals who commit crimes. Missouri received over $400,000 in 2005 for this vital program. The states have had to unfairly shoulder the costs of enforcing immigration laws because Washington has been shirking its duty. Claire will fight to make sure our states have the resources they need and she intends to hold Washington accountable for its failures to secure our borders.

************************************************************
No doubt there is some propaganda here, but the shameful, one could easily say traitorous, conduct of the administration is clear.

122 posted on 06/16/2007 8:14:13 AM PDT by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd (PBUH---Pigblood be upon him))
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To: truthkeeper
As a general rule, recall does NOT apply to Senators and Representatives. They can only be removed by a 2/3rds vote of their own Houses. However,...

Arizona has a provision for recall in which federal officials can "pledge" that they will abide by the results of recalls conducted in that state. In such states, a recall effort against Senators and Representatives IS possible, and should be pursued as promptly as possible.

There is a two-rail shot available in some of the other states. In those which have the initiative for constitutional change, the effort should be to 1) establish an Arizona-type recall for Congress, and 2) having established that, use it against Members who are voting wrong on illegal immigration.

Normally, a citizen effort to establish something procedural, like recall for Congress, would be too esoteric to get the attention of talk radio, citizens organizations, and talk radio, for instance. But when you couple the process with the subject of the ultimate target -- illegal immigration -- it could work.

Hope these comments on the nexus between process and policy are useful to you.

Congressman Billybob

Latest article, "Bar Fight in the Blue Ridge: The Battle for NC 11"

123 posted on 06/16/2007 8:14:16 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Please visit www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: unixfox

“It’s way past time for the pitchforks.”

I have access to the tar. If someone would be good enough to supply the feathers well have a plan.


124 posted on 06/16/2007 8:14:42 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (You "abort" bad missile launches and carrier landings. Not babies.)
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To: Founding Father
thanks for the info.

Too bad no one has learned, instead forcing the Sheeple to die again.

Part 1

RESULT:
Part 2:


125 posted on 06/16/2007 8:18:50 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: radar101

Az Dem Rep. Raul Grijalva - is an unapologetic Mechista. He has deep ties to the racist MEChA brotherhood. A simple Google search will turn up a ton on stuff on this anti-American. The only numbers that carry him at the polls in Az is because of the rich enclave of pro-illegal immigrant sympathizers in the Tucson region.


126 posted on 06/16/2007 8:20:41 AM PDT by GoRepGo (No Shamnesty)
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To: Diogenesis
Too bad no one has learned, instead forcing the Sheeple to die again.

sad bump.

127 posted on 06/16/2007 8:21:06 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: ncjetsfan
Try clicking here: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/dailydigest then click on H6495, then H6495 again.
128 posted on 06/16/2007 8:21:47 AM PDT by palmer
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To: Founding Father
The sad thing is the amendment was defeated by republicans. Had republicans who voted against this switched their votes, the measure would have passed.

Does anyone have the names of the Republican who voted against this so that we can all make sure that they are not back in the next Congress.

129 posted on 06/16/2007 8:23:46 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Congressman Billybob; blam
There is a two-rail shot available in some of the other states. In those which have the initiative for constitutional change, the effort should be to 1) establish an Arizona-type recall for Congress, and 2) having established that, use it against Members who are voting wrong on illegal immigration.

Thanks for your valuable input. While I was hunting around, I saw the exclusion clause, so your comments are most germaine. Yes, it's the recall PROCESS that must be addressed. Can the states' electorates be motivated enough to initiate an Arizona-type process?

BTW, while searching the Internet I found a "Mother's Against Illegal Aliens" recall petition that has already been started against Kyl and McCain. I plan to put that online in a later post for further discussion.

It may be that Arizona is the perfect target state, since they already have a procedure in place and, indeed, a petition started. Any Arizona people who can weigh in?

More to follow on this. Again, thank you CB.

130 posted on 06/16/2007 8:23:48 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: radar101
The fence plan failed by 272 to 149 votes. Most Democrats (including Arizona congressional members Harry Mitchell, Gabrielle Giffords , Ed Pastor and Raul Grijalva) voted against the border fence plan.

I wonder how this got to the floor. The dems can't want their votes on record on this issue.

131 posted on 06/16/2007 8:25:40 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: NonValueAdded
After amnesty they will grant amnesty to millions of new invaders and it will just keep on going. How sad that our worst enemy not Iraq but Washington politicians and our open border.
132 posted on 06/16/2007 8:26:25 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: blam
No, sadly, all politics in America are not local they are racial and they have been so since before the first shot was fired at Fort Sumter. In the 1960s the Democrats figured how to play the race card to a fare thee well and have been the majority party for the most part ever since-or at least playing that card extended their majority for decades after it was petering out. In the Great Depression they played the class warfare card. During The war on poverty, they played the race card.

Today, to oppose unrestricted immigration in polite society is the equivalent of attending a cocktail party with your fly open.

Either America will finally resist this cynical shopping of racial politics by the rats or, ultimately, we will balkanize ourselves.

In that event, all politics will not be racial, they will be bloody.


133 posted on 06/16/2007 8:28:09 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("I like to legislate. I feel I've done a lot of good." Sen. Robert Byrd)
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To: NonValueAdded

They are playing to the latino vote both present and future....and to corporate lobbyists.

They no longer represent the “People”...their number one priority is reelection.


134 posted on 06/16/2007 8:28:39 AM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: truthkeeper; Jeff Head; All

Okay, looks like funds were never appropriated for the fence bill that was passed. I’ve heard there were funds....not now!

Cong. Franks website:
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/az02_franks/borderamdmt.html

Congressman Franks Offers Amendment to Build Border Fence

Urges Members to Appropriate Funds for the Double-layered Fence

June 15, 2007 — Congressman Trent Franks (AZ-02) offered an amendment today to H.R. 2638, the Homeland Security Appropriations Act for FY2008, which would require the necessary funds be used to build the 854 mile, double-layer fence on the southern border of the United States that was authorized in the 109th Congress but was never funded.

Franks stated, “Border security is inextricably tied to national security. With over 4,000 people crossing our southern border illegally every day, our border remains one of our country’s must critical national security vulnerabilities. In order to carry out an act of terrorism, a militant Islamist simply needs a porous border and a dangerous weapon. To underestimate this danger would be a cataclysmic failure on the part of the U.S. Government.

He continued, “Despite passing the Secure Fence Act, we continue to talk about the problem but refuse to act. My amendment would have required that Congress keep its promise to our constituents and the American people, and designate the funds necessary for building the 800 mile border fence. I am incredibly disappointed that once again, this Congress failed to take meaningful action to gain control of our porous border.”

The Secure Fence Act of 2006 amended the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 to direct the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security to provide at least two layers of reinforced fencing, installation of additional physical barriers, roads, lighting, cameras, and sensors. To date, only 13 miles of the border fence have actually been constructed. The amendment dedicated $1 billion to provide the resources and manpower for the construction of 854 miles of border fencing and roads, as prescribed by the Secure Fence Act. In addition, it struck provisions in the Act intended to delay, and in some cases halt, construction of tactical fencing along the border.

Congressman Franks is serving his third term in the U.S. House of Representatives, and is a member of the Committee on Armed Services, Strategic Forces Subcommittee, Readiness Subcommittee, Committee on the Judiciary, and is Ranking Member on the Constitution Subcommittee.


135 posted on 06/16/2007 8:28:55 AM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: radar101

Mesa GOP Congressman Jeff Flake crossed party lines and vote against the border fence bill

Burn in Hell Jeff!


136 posted on 06/16/2007 8:33:37 AM PDT by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: All

anybody know what it takes to call a Constitutional Convention?


137 posted on 06/16/2007 8:34:13 AM PDT by bigcheese (tagline broke. send money.)
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To: AuntB; All
Okay, looks like funds were never appropriated for the fence bill that was passed. I’ve heard there were funds....not now!

That explains to me why, after the "Secure Fence Bill" was passed last year, POTUS weaseled and waffeled all over the place when asked (in a couple of interviews I saw) if this was absolutely, positively, unequivocally a done deal, with no backing out. He was sweating bullets when asked that, and for good reason. The knife was already in our backs.

Yep, many were snookered on the fence. It was a nice little fantasy, wasn't it?

138 posted on 06/16/2007 8:34:19 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: radar101
When in the course of human events...
139 posted on 06/16/2007 8:35:09 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: radar101
One fine day. The Hispanic Governor of California along with the Hispanic governors of Nevada,Arizona and New Mexico along with their hispanic state officials will hold a joint news conference and declare their states a Independent Hispanic republic. And it’s coming soon.
140 posted on 06/16/2007 8:36:44 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (You "abort" bad missile launches and carrier landings. Not babies.)
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To: NurdlyPeon

>>Another 488,000, fearing arrest, had fled the country.

Worth noting. So many say, “there are too many, we can’t deport them all.”

Well, WE DON’T NEED TO. Done right, many will self-deport.


141 posted on 06/16/2007 8:38:26 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: mkjessup; mom4kittys; Sun; circumbendibus; gidget7; pissant; Ultra Sonic 007; Calpernia; ...

See post 135. They are not going to build this fence! They’ve managed to never appropriate the funds for it.


142 posted on 06/16/2007 8:38:57 AM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: radar101
better hold on to your wallets as your property taxes will be going up to provide new schools, jails, cops and teachers that will be needed for the current crop of illegals 'extended families'. Then the states will need more prison beds for the 6-7% of them that will commit felonies and need be put in state prisons.

They keep telling us this is NOT an amnesty.....it seems they don't read the dictionary..if it looks, quacks and walks like a duck, it's a dirty, ugly pig of an amnesty bill.

am·nes·ty –noun 1. a general pardon for offenses, esp. political offenses, against a government, often granted before any trial or conviction.

2. Law. an act of forgiveness for past offenses, esp. to a class of persons as a whole.

3. a forgetting or overlooking of any past offense. –verb (used with object) 4. to grant amnesty to; pardon.

143 posted on 06/16/2007 8:53:47 AM PDT by GailA (I'm a quilt-a-holic and proud of it. Run Fred Run!)
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To: AuntB; pissant; All
I heard a brief report the other day that Duncan Hunter is looking into the legal angle of FORCING our government to appropriate the money to build the fence according to the law THEY ALREADY PASSED. It kind of sounded like a Writ of Mandamus (not too sure of the spelling) thingy; you know, a court order to make an entity carry out the law.

It is utterly pathetic that we have sunk to this level. Anyway, I'll try to find out more about this. Pissant, have you heard anything?

144 posted on 06/16/2007 8:58:12 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: radar101

If the Arizona State legislature voted to fund just a few miles of fencing, on Arizona land, it would strongly reduce the flow of illegal aliens.

Of course, the governor, a Democrat, would veto it. And even if her veto was overturned, the US federal government would intervene to STOP Arizona from building a fence.

Why? Because no matter WHAT they say, the vast majority in Congress, and the President, DO NOT WANT A BORDER FENCE.

And if you understand that simple thing, then you will realize that democracy has no meaning as far as much of Washington, D.C. is concerned.

THEY DO NOT WANT A FENCE, EVEN IF 90% OF AMERICA WANTS A FENCE. SO THEY WILL DO EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER TO STOP A FENCE FROM BEING BUILT.

Every other program is dependent on a fence. Every other program is being used as an excuse to NOT build a fence. And even if they are forced to vote in favor of a fence, they will vote against paying for it.

And even if they are forced to pay for it, they will first order that it be built first in uninhabitable and uncrossable desert, dozens of miles from any roads or water or people, so that it WON’T be built in the few major illegal channels for 20 years.

They have the determination of Winston Churchill, of using every means available, of making the American people suffer terribly, of depriving the American people of everything they cherish, of destroying our economy or plunging us into a deep depression, TO STOP A BORDER FENCE WITH MEXICO FROM BEING BUILT.

So at this point, we have to ask ourselves, should any of these people be allowed to hold office? Not just Republicans or Democrats, but anyone who opposes a border fence or seeks to undermine or deny its effective construction.

Will it take a major massacre of Americans murdered all at once, and all at the same time, in the same town, before they realize the error of their ways? Thousands are dying every year, and they do not care.

Obviously, they hold their beliefs so strongly that they must be removed from office at the point of a vote. And only those of either party that will sign a pledge to build and pay for, and quickly, a border fence, should be elected in their place.

It is not a Contract With America.

It is a Contract To Save America.


145 posted on 06/16/2007 9:00:25 AM PDT by Popocatapetl
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To: Popocatapetl
Why? Because no matter WHAT they say, the vast majority in Congress, and the President, DO NOT WANT A BORDER FENCE.

Of course they don't. We are going about this all wrong. If we are going to scream, it should be to scream that Congress is against, thoroughly, unequivocally AGAINST any border fence, and point out all the resistance of duplicity of their actions on this matter. (Like this very House vote yesterday.) A hard-hitting commercial (I'll produce it, of course...lol) would be a great tool with which to awaken the sheeple.

As it is, more and more are stirring from their long slumber...I just hope it's not too late.

146 posted on 06/16/2007 9:09:55 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: Perdogg
“Department of Homeland Security officials trying to secure the country’s land borders, it’s a hard lesson: A $5 ladder trumps a $30 million fence.”

-If this were the case, why not simply electrify the fence? This seems like it would be highly effective, especially considering they are using ladders made of rebar.

147 posted on 06/16/2007 9:10:55 AM PDT by WashingtonStateRepublican
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To: WashingtonStateRepublican

You can always short it out.


148 posted on 06/16/2007 9:13:29 AM PDT by Perdogg (congratulations - you have just won an ipod nano)
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To: radar101

A goofy stupid parody ridiculing those who want to control our borders.


149 posted on 06/16/2007 9:23:08 AM PDT by eleni121 ((+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: WashingtonStateRepublican

We have been had. They have no intention of building a fence.


150 posted on 06/16/2007 9:25:16 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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