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House rejects security fence at the border
The Business Journal ^ | Friday, June 15, 2007 | Not Identified

Posted on 06/16/2007 5:18:55 AM PDT by radar101

The U.S. House of Representatives shot down a proposal Friday by U.S. Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz, that would have built an 854-mile, double layered security fences along the Mexican border.

Franks noted that only 13 miles of a Mexican border fence approved last year have been built and that the fencing is needed to improve border security.

"With over 4,000 people crossing our southern border illegally every day, our border remains one of our country's most critical national security vulnerabilities. In order to carry out an act of terrorism, a militant Islamist simply needs a porous border and a dangerous weapon," said Franks in a statement.

Franks represents Glendale, Peoria, Sun City and Kingman.

The fence plan failed by 272 to 149 votes. Most Democrats (including Arizona congressional members Harry Mitchell, Gabrielle Giffords , Ed Pastor and Raul Grijalva) voted against the border fence plan.

Most Republicans (including Franks and fellow Arizona Reps. Rick Renzi and John Shadegg) voted for the comprehensive fence plan.

Mesa GOP Congressman Jeff Flake crossed party lines and vote against the border fence bill.

The House did approve an overall homeland and border security appropriations bill Friday. Mitchell said he backed that bill because it allocates federal money to hire more Border Patrol Agents and resources to deport violent illegal immigrant criminals.

"Deporting those illegal immigrants who have committed violent crimes is absolutely imperative to keeping our communities safe," Mitchell said in a statement. Mitchell represents Tempe and Scottsdale.

The state's four Democratic representatives and Renzi voted for the final bill. Flake, Franks and Shadegg opposed.

The votes could be a precursor to a big political fight over immigration reforms, a guest worker program and how to deal with the 12 million illegal immigrants already in the U.S.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; fence; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist; noamnestyforillegals; sellouts
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1 posted on 06/16/2007 5:18:59 AM PDT by radar101
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To: radar101

Idiots.

They still don’t get the message.

The way to prevent the ship from sinking is to plug the hole first, then bail out the water.


2 posted on 06/16/2007 5:20:58 AM PDT by roaddog727 (BS does not get bridges built)
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To: radar101
IS THERE ANY QUESTION AS TO WHY WE DON'T TRUST CONGRESS ABOUT THE BORDER??? ANY??? THEY GRANT AMNESTY AND THEN WE KNOW DAMN WELL THEY'LL GUT THE SECURITY PORTION. JUST LIKE THIS.
3 posted on 06/16/2007 5:21:37 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Brian J. Marotta, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, (1948-2007) Rest In Peace, our FRiend)
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To: radar101

More traitors named.


4 posted on 06/16/2007 5:21:45 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (If there's lead in the air,there's hope.)
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To: Farmer Dean

This a test to see who will probably vote for the senate bill if it passes?


5 posted on 06/16/2007 5:23:25 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: radar101
Lines have been crossed folks.

It's way past time for the pitchforks.

6 posted on 06/16/2007 5:24:48 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: radar101

What more do we need to hear? These traitors have no intention of locking down anything.


7 posted on 06/16/2007 5:25:26 AM PDT by Edgar3 (Steve Spurrier for President!)
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To: radar101
The fence plan failed by 272 to 149 votes.

Those 272 need to be sent to the unemployment line ----

8 posted on 06/16/2007 5:25:55 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: radar101

Link Congressional pay to completion of the fence. When the fence is 100% completed they will get 100% of their pay.


9 posted on 06/16/2007 5:28:57 AM PDT by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: radar101
"Deporting those illegal immigrants who have committed violent crimes is absolutely imperative to keeping our communities safe," Mitchell said in a statement.

Deporting all illegal aliens should be imperative Mr. Mitchell!
10 posted on 06/16/2007 5:29:43 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: radar101
W T F ???
11 posted on 06/16/2007 5:31:34 AM PDT by Recovering Hermit (There's another old saying Senator..."Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.")
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To: radar101; LucyT; Rushmore Rocks; MamaDearest; KylaStarr

HORSES ASSES..........They just prove it over and over again.They obviously don't represent their constituents and do whatever the hell they please up there. May be time to change the way that government runs or doesn't in this case and many others. It all appears hopeless to me, they want to ruin this country for some reason that I haven't figured out yet.


12 posted on 06/16/2007 5:32:20 AM PDT by WestCoastGal ( The JUNIOR NATION is VERY proud of our driver. You drive we'll follow! There ain't no turning back!)
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To: Mark was here

Their offical paycheck is nothing compared to the money made by influence peddling,lobbyist kickbacks,bribes,gifts,etc.Most of them wouldn’t even notice the loss of the government check.


13 posted on 06/16/2007 5:33:02 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (If there's lead in the air,there's hope.)
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To: radar101
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14 posted on 06/16/2007 5:34:22 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: radar101
Supposedly, being "closer to the people" than the members of the House of Lords, I thought maybe the majority of the House of Reprehensibles would side with their constituents on these immigration and amnesty issues.

Now I'm not so sure.

Things look bleak, don't they.

Leni

15 posted on 06/16/2007 5:37:07 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Don't give up the ship. Keep phoning & emailing. Remember, we lost the Alamo!)
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To: radar101

To all those who say the border cannot be fixed and the rot stopped, read this article http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html

In the 50’s over 1 million per year were coming across then Ike took action. Below is from the article. IT WORKED UNTIL AGAIN THERE WAS NO POLITICAL WILL.

“In 1954, Ike appointed retired Gen. Joseph “Jumpin’ Joe” Swing, a former West Point classmate and veteran of the 101st Airborne, as the new INS commissioner.

Then on June 17, 1954, what was called “Operation Wetback” began. Because political resistance was lower in California and Arizona, the roundup of aliens began there. Some 750 agents swept northward through agricultural areas with a goal of 1,000 apprehensions a day. By the end of July, over 50,000 aliens were caught in the two states. Another 488,000, fearing arrest, had fled the country.

By mid-July, the crackdown extended northward into Utah, Nevada, and Idaho, and eastward to Texas.

By September, 80,000 had been taken into custody in Texas, and an estimated 500,000 to 700,000 illegals had left the Lone Star State voluntarily.

Unlike today, Mexicans caught in the roundup were not simply released at the border, where they could easily reenter the US. To discourage their return, Swing arranged for buses and trains to take many aliens deep within Mexico before being set free.

Tens of thousands more were put aboard two hired ships, the Emancipation and the Mercurio. The ships ferried the aliens from Port Isabel, Texas, to Vera Cruz, Mexico, more than 500 miles south.”


16 posted on 06/16/2007 5:38:59 AM PDT by dirtstiff
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To: radar101
Deporting those illegal immigrants who have committed violent crimes is absolutely imperative to keeping our communities safe.

And if you don't have a fence, what the HELL is the point of deporting them??? They're just going to turn around and WALK RIGHT BACK IN the NEXT DAY!!!

17 posted on 06/16/2007 5:39:47 AM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Thompson / Hunter in 2008)
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To: radar101; spectre; truthkeeper; AuntB; Diogenesis; Travis McGee; kabar; angkor

bttt...:(


18 posted on 06/16/2007 5:44:05 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: blam
Burn DC to the ground!!

The British tried but it was rebuilt. ;o)
20 posted on 06/16/2007 5:49:25 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: radar101
"The House did approve an overall homeland and border security appropriations bill Friday. Mitchell said he backed that bill because it allocates federal money to hire more Border Patrol Agents and resources to deport violent illegal immigrant criminals. "Deporting those illegal immigrants who have committed violent crimes is absolutely imperative to keeping our communities safe," Mitchell said in a statement. Mitchell represents Tempe and Scottsdale."

This is like a broken record...deport them - they come back - deport them - they come back.......

21 posted on 06/16/2007 5:54:21 AM PDT by LADY J
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To: radar101

Can we recall ALL of Congress??


22 posted on 06/16/2007 5:57:20 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Those 272 need to be sent to the unemployment line ----

By way of the hospital. LOL I have never seen such arrogance in my life. They obviously have forgotten they work for us. It's time to start some recall petitions!

23 posted on 06/16/2007 6:00:00 AM PDT by NRA2BFree ("The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves!")
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To: radar101

I don’t have much use for the “Parliament of Whores” anymore.


24 posted on 06/16/2007 6:02:26 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: radar101
Oh yeah, there's more...

Knowing that border security and enforcement is the main concern of the public, let’s recap just a few of the amendments that were defeated in two weeks of debate: the Coleman amendment to end the policy of “sanctuary cities,” defeated 48-to-49; the McConnell amendment to require a photo ID for voting in order to combat voter fraud, defeated 41-to-52; the Cornyn amendment to deny amnesty to gang members and illegal aliens with criminal records, defeated 46-to-51; the Vitter amendment to guarantee a secure, biometric check in/check out visa system be in place prior to any guest worker program going into effect, defeated 48-to-49; and the Coburn-DeMint amendment to guarantee full border security prior to amnesty, defeated 42-to-54.

25 posted on 06/16/2007 6:03:03 AM PDT by anglian
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To: unixfox

Has anyone thought about a grass roots march on Washington? If the illegals can put together hundreds of thousands in LA, surely we can muster more than that in D.C.


26 posted on 06/16/2007 6:03:55 AM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (If MY people who are called by MY name -- the ball's in our court, folks.)
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To: radar101

We have a US Congress full of traitors and Reps afraid to offend Mexico


27 posted on 06/16/2007 6:05:53 AM PDT by dennisw (The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction)
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To: NonValueAdded

Exactly!


28 posted on 06/16/2007 6:06:47 AM PDT by dennisw (The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction)
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To: NRA2BFree
" I have never seen such arrogance in my life."

They're just doing what you're to stupid to do. We've seen how the minute they arrive in Washington that they immediately become experts on everything.

We've become a serfdom.

Let the revolution begin.

29 posted on 06/16/2007 6:06:48 AM PDT by blam
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To: anglian

Makes you think Bush is happy with a Democratic Congress.


30 posted on 06/16/2007 6:06:52 AM PDT by caffe (please, no more consensus)
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To: truthkeeper


31 posted on 06/16/2007 6:07:23 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: unixfox
Ya' think?

And people thought I was jumping the gun a few years back. I predicted it'd get this bad...

Here's another... it'll get worse before folks decide to do something about it.

32 posted on 06/16/2007 6:08:45 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Farmer Dean
And that's why they don't give a rip about what WE THE PEOPLE think. They have all their bucks socked away and know that when they're done in govt, they'll get all kind of commitments for speaking tours, lobbying jobs, jobs in academia, you name it.

That's why they don't care. Who needs us or their congressional paychecks?

33 posted on 06/16/2007 6:09:08 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (The Immigration Hoax: "Subject to the Availability of Appropriations.")
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To: All
Also note> Feinstein and Specter also voted on Senate floor in favor of amendment to kill border fence in 2006.

***The Manager's Amendment*** (SA 4188), offered by Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA), to S. 2611, the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006. The Manager's Amendment made many minor changes to S. 2611, none of have significant numeric impacts on the overall bill. However, the Manager's Amendment included

a provision that requires consultation with the government of Mexico concerning the construction of additional fencing and related border security structures along the international border between the United States and Mexico. This would virtually guarantee that the fence along the U.S.-Mexico border would never be completed. The Manager's Amendment passed by a vote of 56 to 41.

http://profiles.numbersusa.com/improfile.php3?DistSend=CA&VIPID=46

34 posted on 06/16/2007 6:10:27 AM PDT by anglian
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To: radar101

Who the hell is paying off all these politicos?????Is this a major headline in Arizona? Are the people there upset?


35 posted on 06/16/2007 6:11:52 AM PDT by Fawn (If it wasn't for FR, I'd be having an Existential MELTDOWN..............right now)
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch
That is what needs to happen. I will show but we need someone to organize. Limbaugh, Hannity, Ingraham and others could organize or have organized and promoted such a march.

The problem is that some yahoos would show up with Confederate flags or Nazi flags and the whole damn media would ignore the issue and focus on them.

36 posted on 06/16/2007 6:13:34 AM PDT by nativist (Weigh into them!)
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To: MinuteGal
Things look bleak, don't they.

Yes, but that's nothing new. We haven't ignored the borders for 40 years because no one knew what was happening. The fact is, we have a majority in Congress for essentially open borders. That majority consists of most of the dems, who are counting votes ten years down the road, and about a quarter of the Republicans.

37 posted on 06/16/2007 6:17:22 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: roaddog727

I know a lot of people don’t want to read this, but take a look at this regarding the border long fence.

http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_5356695


38 posted on 06/16/2007 6:18:30 AM PDT by Perdogg (congratulations - you have just won an ipod nano)
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To: nativist; Guenevere; gubamyster
The problem is that they won't care if we march. This is waaaaay beyond that. They MUST keep the borders open at all costs or the planned North American Union, plus the highway from Mexico to Canada cannot happen.

What we really need is an organized recall effort, with a few big names targeted. That's the only thing that might stop this runaway train, IMHO.

We need to start talking, people.

39 posted on 06/16/2007 6:24:05 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: radar101

40 posted on 06/16/2007 6:24:32 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: blam
They're just doing what you're to stupid to do. We've seen how the minute they arrive in Washington that they immediately become experts on everything.

I know. The latest, most obnoxious one is that sorry excuse for a man, the sissified, Lindsey Graham. He thinks he's smarter than everyone else. His term began in 2002. It will end in 2008, or hopefully, before!

We've become a serfdom.

Yeah, they're not going to be thinking that when the SHTF. They just need a little dose of reality!

Let the revolution begin.

I think it's just begun!

41 posted on 06/16/2007 6:25:18 AM PDT by NRA2BFree ("The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves!")
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To: radar101
U.S. Border Patrol Director David Aguilar said on Wednesday, “The United States will have “operational control” of its border with Mexico by 2013.”
42 posted on 06/16/2007 6:26:11 AM PDT by B4Ranch (DRIP = "Don't Return Incumbent Politicians," – two terms, and they're out.)
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To: radar101
P.S. Notice this story broke early Saturday morning...not exactly prime talkradio time.
What an amazing coincidence.
43 posted on 06/16/2007 6:26:46 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: NonValueAdded
You betcha FRiend. THey tell us how much their interested in border security in the Senate to get their favored abomination passed, but they turn it down in the house.

Sure. We should trust them. Right.

Liar, Cheats and thieves with no ethics, scruples or morals. That's our taxpayer funded govt for ya.

44 posted on 06/16/2007 6:27:41 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (The Immigration Hoax: "Subject to the Availability of Appropriations.")
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To: Diogenesis

Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., center, chats with with Sen. Mel Martinez, R-Fla., right, Los Angeles radio host Eddie 'El Piolin' Sotelo, left, and others, on Capitol Hill in Washington, Thursday, June 14, 2007, prior to a news conference on immigration reform

Eddie "Piolín" Sotelo (LA's top DJ - leader in illegal rights movement.)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1605638/posts

45 posted on 06/16/2007 6:27:46 AM PDT by radar101 (Dream Team--Hunter&Thompson)
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To: truthkeeper

bttt


46 posted on 06/16/2007 6:29:04 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: radar101

Hey Mitchell.....DEPORT BEFORE THEY COMMIT AWFUL CRIMES, bub!!! THAT will keep us safe! IDIOTS!!


47 posted on 06/16/2007 6:30:25 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her Phoniness is Genuine!!!)
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To: nativist

Instead of a march, how many people would it take to join hands and make a human fence for a day? JAT


48 posted on 06/16/2007 6:31:05 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: radar101
The Kennedy's are about to make Wind Energy illegal
over the entire US, they open the border to their partners.


49 posted on 06/16/2007 6:32:14 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: truthkeeper
"We need to start talking, people."

Waiting on you. My senators are:

1. Jeff Sessions
2. Richard Shelby

Do you need me to help with yours?

50 posted on 06/16/2007 6:35:13 AM PDT by blam
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