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House rejects security fence at the border
The Business Journal ^ | Friday, June 15, 2007 | Not Identified

Posted on 06/16/2007 5:18:55 AM PDT by radar101

The U.S. House of Representatives shot down a proposal Friday by U.S. Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz, that would have built an 854-mile, double layered security fences along the Mexican border.

Franks noted that only 13 miles of a Mexican border fence approved last year have been built and that the fencing is needed to improve border security.

"With over 4,000 people crossing our southern border illegally every day, our border remains one of our country's most critical national security vulnerabilities. In order to carry out an act of terrorism, a militant Islamist simply needs a porous border and a dangerous weapon," said Franks in a statement.

Franks represents Glendale, Peoria, Sun City and Kingman.

The fence plan failed by 272 to 149 votes. Most Democrats (including Arizona congressional members Harry Mitchell, Gabrielle Giffords , Ed Pastor and Raul Grijalva) voted against the border fence plan.

Most Republicans (including Franks and fellow Arizona Reps. Rick Renzi and John Shadegg) voted for the comprehensive fence plan.

Mesa GOP Congressman Jeff Flake crossed party lines and vote against the border fence bill.

The House did approve an overall homeland and border security appropriations bill Friday. Mitchell said he backed that bill because it allocates federal money to hire more Border Patrol Agents and resources to deport violent illegal immigrant criminals.

"Deporting those illegal immigrants who have committed violent crimes is absolutely imperative to keeping our communities safe," Mitchell said in a statement. Mitchell represents Tempe and Scottsdale.

The state's four Democratic representatives and Renzi voted for the final bill. Flake, Franks and Shadegg opposed.

The votes could be a precursor to a big political fight over immigration reforms, a guest worker program and how to deal with the 12 million illegal immigrants already in the U.S.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; fence; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist; noamnestyforillegals; sellouts
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To: truthkeeper; nativist
There were thousands upon thousands of folk marching for illegal immigration....

..You know many/if not all... of those were confident of their protection....and unafraid to come 'out of the shadows' to march on the streets.

And they were right...

..no one tried to single out illegals, or round up illegals...

..very few business establishments reported/fired their illegals when they didn't show up for work that day.

Sadly, I believe if we march.......we will be arrested!.

...that's how disfranchised I feel.

51 posted on 06/16/2007 6:40:23 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: radar101
Illegal alien advocates on the march By Michelle Malkin June 13, 2007

A popular Spanish-language disc jockey began a cross-country trip Sunday to encourage Congress to overhaul the nation's immigration laws, planning to give 1 million supporting letters to lawmakers in Washington, D.C. Eduardo "Piolin" Sotelo, from the nationally syndicated show, "Piolin por la Manana," and several others traveling in his caravan left from a Mexican cultural landmark in downtown as several hundred fans and supporters cheered.

Who is Sotelo? He's southern California's number one morning disc jockey and a former illegal alien who used fraudulent identification to work, but successfully evaded deportation.

Here's his website.

http://yoapoyolareformamigratoria.com/index.html

The last time Sotelo was in the spotlight, his massive protests backfired--galvanizing immigration enforcement groups and quashing amnesty prospects last year.

http://michellemalkin.com/

52 posted on 06/16/2007 6:40:58 AM PDT by anglian
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To: Dead Corpse

I think your right. The sheeple are too busy with their recreation, sports events, and partying to give a rats ass about their freedom.


53 posted on 06/16/2007 6:41:13 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch

They are trying one today, in a few cities. Didn’t get much publicity. I wish they would plan a march giving everyone enough time to get to DC. We need a bigger voice.

I’d also consider a march to our borders, the closest one each of us can get to. And yes, carrying pitchforks and the like.


54 posted on 06/16/2007 6:44:08 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul. WWPD (what would Patton do))
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To: Perdogg

Is there a picture of that $5 ladder? Are you saying that Mexico is smarter than Isreal? Fences seem to work everywhere in the world except on the Mexican border. Why?


55 posted on 06/16/2007 6:45:09 AM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: unixfox
Bread and circuses. Once those start to dry up and people start looking around at the mess that has been created, things'll get ugly.

Not organized. Not helpful in any meaningful way. A Mob destroys. It has no brain to speak of and no agenda.

What it will do is allow those of us who have thought ahead the leeway to make some real changes and to possibly even win back our Republic and our Constitution.

56 posted on 06/16/2007 6:45:15 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: blam; All
The topic: TARGETED RECALL

You are blessed to have Sessions, and Shelby's been holding up pretty well too, hasn't he? Mine are Feinstein and Boxer. It's baaaad out here, but then again, Cali DID recall Gray Davis.

We need to put this idea out there and start talking. Let the word get out into the public arena. Start brainstorming and sharing ideas. See who we can count on...and who can organize. Start emailing our talkradio guys. They've been with us in the past and they're with us now. And after all...don't they run the country?

I will be gone all weekend but am considering putting a discussion thread up on the topic so we can start the brainstorming.

Many would say we would be tilting at windmills...but the journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step. What do you all think?

57 posted on 06/16/2007 6:46:13 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: radar101
"With over 4,000 people crossing our southern border illegally every day, our border remains one of our country's most critical national security vulnerabilities.

Leave the border open and just grant amnesty.

There, fixed.

No more illegals.

THAT'S the insanity that occupies Washington these days while the rest of us souls just stand at the wall and bang our heads.

58 posted on 06/16/2007 6:48:25 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: truthkeeper
"It's baaaad out here, but then again, Cali DID recall Gray Davis."

I left San Jose in 1973.

59 posted on 06/16/2007 6:49:11 AM PDT by blam
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To: truthkeeper
" What do you all think?"

We need many threads like that in/on every state. Please do.

60 posted on 06/16/2007 6:50:29 AM PDT by blam
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To: Diogenesis

Yeah, the Kennedy family has a long history of anti-U.S. treachery. Grandpa Joe believed that Hitler was going to win the war. An embarrassing position for the Ambassador to Great Britain to take.


61 posted on 06/16/2007 6:51:52 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Our first responsibility is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
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To: WestCoastGal

they want to ruin this country for some reason that I haven’t figured out yet.”

http://www.spp.gov/


62 posted on 06/16/2007 6:52:23 AM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: unixfox
I think your right. The sheeple are too busy with their recreation, sports events, and partying to give a rats ass about their freedom.

A lot of us are more concerned with making a living, and can't necessarily make a trip to DC unless the goal was to burn the capital down. 

63 posted on 06/16/2007 6:54:42 AM PDT by zeugma (Don't Want illegal Alien Amnesty? Call 800-417-7666)
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To: Perdogg

Okay then, I guess the fences don’t work. That’s why all of the pro-illegal immigration people are for fences. Oh wait...They aren’t.


64 posted on 06/16/2007 6:55:19 AM PDT by bluecollarman ("It's the border stupid!" www.protestparody.com)
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To: texastoo
Fences seem to work everywhere in the world except on the Mexican border. Why?

Because we would have to divert hundreds of millions of dollars from paying for the illegals freedom coming in to the country to use our system for free to be able to build the fence.

Make sense now?/s

65 posted on 06/16/2007 6:55:24 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: radar101

These people were elected to represent U.S. citizens, not Mexican illegals. Since Congress doesn’t represent us, we owe them no support. Kennedy should have been thrown out a long time ago. He’s more interested in himself than his country.


66 posted on 06/16/2007 6:56:36 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Our first responsibility is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
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To: radar101
IF they do not think we need a border fence, then they need to dismantle all the security in place around the Capital Buildings and live like the rest of us folks - UNprotected. Till then they are hypocrites.
67 posted on 06/16/2007 6:56:49 AM PDT by tioga (Fred Thompson for President.)
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To: radar101

Hey, wait a minute....Hillary said our No. 1 concern should be the fence IIRC....for “security”. Guess she found out that the Hispanics don’t vote for “fences”.


68 posted on 06/16/2007 6:58:08 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: Perdogg

Read the article. My solution, if it doesn’t or isn’t working then mine it. I’m serious. It’s our border, cross illegally and risk death. I’ve got no problem with that.


69 posted on 06/16/2007 7:00:10 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul. WWPD (what would Patton do))
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To: blam; All
The Subject: TARGETED RECALL

IMO, the most important thing is to plant the seed, and that seed is targeted recall. This is not the time for hysterics, this is the time for action. We're all in this foxhole together, so we need to keep our heads and direct our energies.

I will try to get at least one thing up on the discussion board before I leave later today. If not, tomorrow for sure. (May be better anyway, I won't be so rushed.) I would appreciate it if those who are in support of the idea would BUMP and PING any such threads...that in itself is one way of getting the idea out there. And may I suggest using a subject line in any post...i.e., RECALL.

Let the brainstorming begin.

70 posted on 06/16/2007 7:00:12 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: snippy_about_it; nativist

I don’t think Rush would actively participate in the organization of an event - I think Hannity might. But do you guys think if an event was organized, (and that’s if we can get the bill’s passage postponed until August or so) someone could call in to Rush about this issue and let him know an event was being planned? Sort of like “Dan’s Bake Sale”. (there’s a blast from the past!)


71 posted on 06/16/2007 7:02:10 AM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (If MY people who are called by MY name -- the ball's in our court, folks.)
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To: radar101

Looks like the “Blue Dog” Congress critters will all be looking for jobs next time around. Provided they don’t piss us all off to the point where thanks to the right to bear arms under 2nd Amendment we travel to DC to set things right. They all ran for office as being tougher on the invasion of our country and now we know for a fact they lied. All this is going on while the US Military is deployed fighting for the very survival of Western Civilization. I doubt very much any GI would protect these traitors and will probably join us if we are given no other choice in saving our nation.


72 posted on 06/16/2007 7:02:57 AM PDT by KC-10A BOOMER (Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue)
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To: truthkeeper; Congressman Billybob
I am pinging you to my posts #57 and #70. Can I get some input?

Desparate times require desperate actions.

73 posted on 06/16/2007 7:03:58 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: truthkeeper
Let me give you some food for thought.

First off,all we hear from Republicans is that the 1986 amnesty was a failure and didn’t work. Well, duh!

So that has been 20 years and nothing has been done. Not even a study to find out why amnesty didn’t work. Why haven’t the worker penalties been applied to the lawbreakers? Is or has the Justice Department been diligent in upholding our laws. What other departments have been neglectful in enforcing work place rules. Has this amnesty led to widespread forgery? What government departments are negligence? Has this amnesty led to smuggling of humans and drugs? What government department is responsible for this travesty?

We need to hit the downside of the Reagan amnesty just like the 9/11 commission. We should not consider any kind of immigration bill until a lot of questions have been answered.

74 posted on 06/16/2007 7:05:40 AM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch
I don’t think Rush would actively participate in the organization of an event - I think Hannity might.

If a number of talkradio hosts could come together on something, that force would be enormous. We need to find the "something."

75 posted on 06/16/2007 7:06:54 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: Sacajaweau

“Guess she found out that the Hispanics don’t vote for “fences”.”

Then why do they put them around all their own houses.


76 posted on 06/16/2007 7:07:08 AM PDT by dalereed
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77 posted on 06/16/2007 7:09:01 AM PDT by firewalk
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To: truthkeeper; LucyT
Excellent idea.

You establish a format and let's begin a thread for every state in the union, a possible example for a title of each thread (just change the state name) :

CALIFORNIA RECALL: Petition To Recall Elected Officials, Over Immigration Bill

Or, something like that for every state. I'll do Alabama once you establish the format. It should include senators and representatives, correct?

78 posted on 06/16/2007 7:09:56 AM PDT by blam
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To: radar101
Mesa GOP Congressman Jeff Flake crossed party lines and vote against the border fence bill.

What the hell has gotten into Jeff Flake?

79 posted on 06/16/2007 7:11:46 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("You will have your bipartisanship." - Fred Thompson, May 4, 2007)
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To: truthkeeper

In other words, we need an in depth study of why the Reagan amnesty was a failure before jumping into another failure. The answser could be in the succeeding administrations failure to enforce the laws. It is time for the truth to be told.


80 posted on 06/16/2007 7:12:08 AM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: radar101
Related to this

The Making of an Al Qaeda Operative

81 posted on 06/16/2007 7:12:31 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: texastoo
We need to hit the downside of the Reagan amnesty just like the 9/11 commission. We should not consider any kind of immigration bill until a lot of questions have been answered.

Yes, and this absolutely involves motivating the sheeple as there is definite strength in numbers. A tough task, but not impossible.

I'm thinking commercials. Tough to-the-point message, simple concept, great visual, "catchy" phrase. I think I'm the only person who didn't like the "Where's the Fence?" commercial because it was too soft and "cute." It should be hard-hitting, even devastating, like George I's "revolving door" against Michael Dukakis. Or LBJ's flower girl.

Thanks for responding. Let's all just keep talking, and watch for a thread soon.

82 posted on 06/16/2007 7:15:50 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: blam

For some time I’ve been thinking (and said a few times) that the depth of depravity, dishonesty and scam artistry is too far gone - the situation is FUBAR.

This amnsety crap puts it over the top.

I don’t see how any fix can work. The elected ones are either totally duplicitous or get bought and sold the minute they get to DC (probably both), and think of the unelected (millions?) who work in the government entrails, both fedgov and state.

It’s enough to turn any thinking person into an anarchist, practically. The whole order needs to be re-tooled.


83 posted on 06/16/2007 7:17:28 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: nativist
The problem is that some yahoos would show up with Confederate flags

Only those who don't know their history think the confederate flag is offensive.

I'd love to march on DC or march to the border. I love the South but I would carry my American flag to make a point.

84 posted on 06/16/2007 7:18:11 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul. WWPD (what would Patton do))
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To: radar101
The text of the amendment: "None of the funds made available in this Act for customs and border protection fencing, infrastructure, and technology may be used for anything but at least two layers of reinforced fencing and roads, pursuant to section 102 of Public Law 104-208." Here's a link to the vote (ayes 149, noes 272, not voting 16): http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r110:1:./temp/~r110WjylwP:e210541:
85 posted on 06/16/2007 7:19:08 AM PDT by palmer
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch

I don’t think he would either. I’m not sure who but I wasn’t thinking of radio hosts. Too bad we don’t have a commanding politician or John Wayne type to get everyone’s attention.


86 posted on 06/16/2007 7:20:34 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul. WWPD (what would Patton do))
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To: radar101
Most Democrats voted against the border fence plan.

But of course. Democrats are fully aware that the vast majority of illegal aliens will become loyal Democrat voters and after the amnesty. (And many of those aliens already vote due to the successful vote fraud efforts of ACORN).

Republicans who voted against the fence and who advocate giving amnesty to tens of millions of future/current Democrat voters are unwittingly authoring their own demise.

87 posted on 06/16/2007 7:24:19 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: blam
You establish a format and let's begin a thread for every state in the union, a possible example for a title of each thread (just change the state name) : CALIFORNIA RECALL: Petition To Recall Elected Officials, Over Immigration Bill
Or, something like that for every state. I'll do Alabama once you establish the format. It should include senators and representatives, correct?

Yes, that's exactly the sort of thing I'm kicking around in my head. I may not know what I'm doing, but I do know we'll need ping lists and lots of FReeper input. And just imagine, if every concerned FReeper would commit to circulating the final idea - whatever that may be - via their own email lists - friends, family, etc. - this could really snowball.

I wish I could be around today to start something but, unfortunately, it looks like it will have to wait until tomorrow evening. You will be the first one on the ping list I will put together for myself, blam.

We're in talking stage right now, you people. Anyone who wants to be on a ping list, please post or FReepmail me. Let's all brainstorm!

88 posted on 06/16/2007 7:26:42 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: radar101
Mesa GOP Congressman Jeff Flake crossed party lines and vote against the border fence bill

The Flake strikes again.

Nothing "GOP" about the SOB.

89 posted on 06/16/2007 7:27:13 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: snippy_about_it

The same problems are going to exists with mines. Are you going to confiscate people’s property through eminent domain in order to have mine field???

Are going to mine the Rio Grande?? What happens when a mine floats away and kills a US citizen??


90 posted on 06/16/2007 7:28:39 AM PDT by Perdogg (congratulations - you have just won an ipod nano)
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To: little jeremiah; truthkeeper
"I don’t see how any fix can work."

Remember all politics are local.

Any national effort must come from each state otherwise the politicians will get lost in the masses. The politicians of each state will give attention when the effort originates in their state from which they are elected.

91 posted on 06/16/2007 7:29:02 AM PDT by blam
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To: little jeremiah; truthkeeper
"I don’t see how any fix can work."

Remember all politics are local.

Any national effort must come from each state otherwise the politicians will get lost in the masses. The politicians of each state will give attention when the effort originates in their state from which they are elected.

92 posted on 06/16/2007 7:29:07 AM PDT by blam
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To: radar101

The House gives The United States “the” Finger and Bush agrees. There will be an uprising in ways that are unimaginable to the ruling class, and it won’t be by Hispanics living UNLAWFULLY here.

Americans have had enough!


93 posted on 06/16/2007 7:31:26 AM PDT by gathersnomoss (If General Patton was alive, he would slap many faces!!)
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch
I agree Rush wouldn't actively organize but I was thinking Dans Bake Sale too. Just get the word out and add legitimacy to it.

The Confederate flag is still a problem because this march would need to be against illegal immigration and the abuse of power by our government. All Americans should be involved, Dems and Republicans.

94 posted on 06/16/2007 7:33:47 AM PDT by nativist (Weigh into them!)
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To: Uncle Chip

The sad thing is the amendment was defeated by republicans. Had republicans who voted against this switched their voted, the measure would have passed.


95 posted on 06/16/2007 7:34:27 AM PDT by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd (PBUH---Pigblood be upon him))
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To: dirtstiff

Thank you. Sending to contacts.


96 posted on 06/16/2007 7:37:43 AM PDT by gathersnomoss (If General Patton was alive, he would slap many faces!!)
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To: nativist
All Americans should be involved, Dems and Republicans.

This is a valuable point. There is very little disagreement among real Americans, no matter what their political affiliation...on this issue. 80% HATE this plan!

97 posted on 06/16/2007 7:37:56 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: blam

Bush is trying to break the republican party so Hillary will have the baton.

Don’t fall for it. If he can get congress to get the people mad enough to insite riot, he will declare MARTIAL LAW and cancel elections. He wins either way.

Congress needs to stop everything and start impeachment.

People need to realize you have been manipulated for at least 5 presidential terms. The Bushes and Clintons are part of the same group, someone is at the head of that group and I have my own theory.

This group does not want Ron Paul in this and his support is growing stronger amoung the Republicans as well as the Democrats. He may be the only person that can stop Bush and Clinton from giving the presidency to Hillary.


98 posted on 06/16/2007 7:38:58 AM PDT by GoreNoMore
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To: radar101
Bush and the others call us racist and bigots (never mind, I am married to a wonderful latin lady). Whatever I am, I am rather that than a traitor. These people have betrayed our nation, our constitution, and their oaths.

Saxby, if you and Isakson don't pour all your efforts into the border protection first movement, then you will get my vote in the form of giving it to your opponent.

99 posted on 06/16/2007 7:39:28 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Search for Folding Project - Join FR Team 36120)
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To: palmer

I’ve been trying for the past 15 minutes to find out how our rep voted on this bill (amendment) and was pleased you included the link in your post but it didn’t work. Got another one?


100 posted on 06/16/2007 7:41:08 AM PDT by ncphinsfan
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