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A third US carrier, USS Enterprise Strike Group is speeding towards the Persian Gulf
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=4334 ^

Posted on 06/21/2007 5:16:59 AM PDT by jhpigott

According to DEBKAfile’s military sources, the US naval build-up off the shores of Iran marks rising military tensions in the region, accentuated by last week’s Hamas victory which has endowed Iran with a military foothold on Israel’s southwestern border.

The USS Enterprise CVN 65-Big E Strike Group, the US Navy’s largest air carrier, will join the USS Stennis and the USS Nimitz carriers, building up the largest sea, air, marine concentration the United States has ever deployed opposite Iran. This goes towards making good on the assurances of four carriers US Vice President Dick Cheney offered the Gulf and Middle East nations during his May tour of the region.

The “Big E” leads a strike group consisting of the guided-missile destroyers USS Arleigh Burke DDG 51, USS Stout DDG 55, Forrest Sherman DDG 98 and USS James E. Williams DDG 95, as well as the guided missile cruiser USS Gettysburg CG 64, the SS Philadelphia SSN 690 nuclear submarine and the USNS Supply T-AOE 6>

On its decks are the Carrier Air Wing CVW 1, whose pilots fought combat missions in the Gulf and Arabian Sea during 2006. The Air Wing is made up of F/Q-18 Super Hornet strike craft, the Sidewinders Strike Fighter Squadron VFA-86, the 251st Marine Fighter Attack Squadron MFA, and the Electronic Attack Squadron VAQ 137.

The 32nd Sea Control Squadron VS consists of S-3B Vikings. The Airborne Early Warning Squadron VAQ 3 flies E-2C Hawkeye craft. The Fleet Logistics Support Squadron VRC is based on C-2A Greyhounds.

DEBKAfile’s military sources report Washington is considering deploying the fourth US carrier for the region in the Red Sea opposite Saudi Arabian western coast to secure the three US carriers in the Gulf from the rear as well as the Gulf of Aqaba and Suez Canal.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: debka; navair; persiangulf; shipmovement; usn; ussenterprise
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thought i'd throw this out there, even though the source is questionable

if true, that is a lot of fire power all in one place

1 posted on 06/21/2007 5:17:03 AM PDT by jhpigott
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To: Dog; Cap Huff; jeffers

ping


2 posted on 06/21/2007 5:17:28 AM PDT by jhpigott
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To: jhpigott

Speeding?


3 posted on 06/21/2007 5:18:24 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border then, Introduce an Illegal Immigrant Deportation Bill)
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To: jhpigott

The Big E is big alright, but it’s not the largest carrier in the fleet - is it?


4 posted on 06/21/2007 5:19:21 AM PDT by RexBeach (Americans never quit. -Douglas MacArthur)
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To: jhpigott

That really gets the attention . . .


5 posted on 06/21/2007 5:21:09 AM PDT by Cap Huff
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To: jhpigott

CVN 65 Enterprise is not the “biggest air carrier” by a long shot. It is nearly the oldest and maybe the fastest. Carriers are capital ships or “strategic assets”. Should the Iranians attack them, they will recieve an immediate strategic reply. Rio Linda for nuclear response.


6 posted on 06/21/2007 5:21:17 AM PDT by Broker (Haddi Nuff)
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To: RexBeach

Debka is well known for its sensationalism, not always its accuracy


7 posted on 06/21/2007 5:21:48 AM PDT by jhpigott
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To: RexBeach

I may be wrong, but I thought it was the Reagan.
What does Debka know anyway? They just like to “start stuff”.


8 posted on 06/21/2007 5:23:24 AM PDT by scan58
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To: RexBeach
I think she still has the longest flight deck, but her displacement (which is what most size comparisons take into account) is smaller than the Nimitz's.
9 posted on 06/21/2007 5:23:44 AM PDT by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: jhpigott

Not too confident our president will knock the hell out of Iran like they deserve.


10 posted on 06/21/2007 5:26:09 AM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: jhpigott


Ahead, Warp factor 9.
11 posted on 06/21/2007 5:26:32 AM PDT by arderkrag (Libertarian Nutcase (Political Compass Coordinates: 9.00, -2.62 - www.politicalcompass.org))
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12 posted on 06/21/2007 5:27:53 AM PDT by magslinger (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors. And miss. R.A.Heinlein)
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To: Joe Boucher

Knocking the crap out of Iran, is the one thing that you can count on from the President.


13 posted on 06/21/2007 5:28:41 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: jhpigott

Signs That the United States is About to Bomb Iran

1. – The U.S. Navy stages a “surge exercise” and moves six carrier battle groups into the Indian Ocean.

2. – A “regularly scheduled exercise” moves Patriot Missile Batteies to Iraq, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia. These exercises happen from time to time, but if they happen when other things are happening…

3. — Movement of B-52 and B1B bombers to the island of Diego Garcia (in the Indian Ocean).

4. — Deployment of F117 stealth bombers and F-22 fighters to anywhere in the Persian Gulf.

5. — Deployment of B-2 Stealth Bombers to Guam, where there are special facilities for maintaining these aircraft.

6. — Lockdown of Whitman Air Force Base (where most B-2 bombers are stationed) in Missouri.

7. — Increased delivery of Pizza to Pentagon

8. –Sudden loss of cell service near some air force bases (from which heavy bombers would depart). At the same time, there would be sightings of Middle Eastern looking guys around these bases, trying to get their cell phones to work, while being observed by what appears to be FBI agents.

9. Deployment of KC-135/KC-10 aerial tankers to Diego Garcia, Guam and the Persian Gulf.

10. America asks nations neighboring Iran for basing and over flight rights.


14 posted on 06/21/2007 5:30:37 AM PDT by BGHater
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To: blam
Speeding?

Didn't you see the sailors water skiing behind her?

15 posted on 06/21/2007 5:31:49 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: RexBeach
No. The Reagan is.
16 posted on 06/21/2007 5:32:54 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ ("Courage is when you are scared to death, saddle up and ride out anyway." John F'in Wayne.)
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To: BGHater

Or these to be observed in the case of the event or are these actually observed ?

Who runs the pizza supply of the pentagon ?


17 posted on 06/21/2007 5:34:36 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: jhpigott

Good things come in threes.


18 posted on 06/21/2007 5:35:29 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: jhpigott
As of June 29,2007, only the Nimitz and the Stennis were under way. Take it for what it is. The Navy does not tell all.
19 posted on 06/21/2007 5:36:11 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: Coldwater Creek

I’ve lost confidence in him at this point.
Syria and Iran have killed too many of our boys with impunity.


20 posted on 06/21/2007 5:41:39 AM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: Coldwater Creek

Well the last paragraph in this story tells a lot.

http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=29526


21 posted on 06/21/2007 5:44:34 AM PDT by zkbeta51
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To: jhpigott
> deploying the fourth US carrier for the region in the Red Sea opposite Saudi Arabian western coast to secure the three US carriers in the Gulf from the rear as well

Secured from what?

22 posted on 06/21/2007 5:44:54 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Coldwater Creek

Debka has been known to scoop a story or 2. However, they have also been dead wrong on many occassions. I just thought this would be worth discussing given the current tensions in the region.

If the big E is indeed making way for the Persian Gulf, I bet a few Ayatollahs will not be sleeping as well


23 posted on 06/21/2007 5:47:36 AM PDT by jhpigott
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To: jhpigott

True or not, God bless our brave men and women in uniform.


24 posted on 06/21/2007 5:48:04 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Cap Huff

“That really gets the attention . . .”

I thought it might ;)


25 posted on 06/21/2007 5:48:10 AM PDT by jhpigott
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To: bill1952

in the event a conflict went regional and the Iranians and Syrians forced a severe Israeli response, many other (what we may call “moderate”) Arab nations may feel pressure to join the fray.

Just like in GW1, the fear was Saddam was going to drag Israel into the fight in the hopes of creating some pan-Arabic/Islamic alliance against the U.S. and Israel


26 posted on 06/21/2007 5:53:05 AM PDT by jhpigott
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To: Joe Boucher
I’ve lost confidence in him at this point. Syria and Iran have killed too many of our boys with impunity.

I'll second the loss of confidence. I wonder, though, if the threshold requiring a response to Iran in regard to their help with insurgents in Iraq has been crossed? There has been a lot of "activity" lately in the eastern region of Iraq. If you add it all up there have been quite a few sent to meet their virgins near the Iranian border with Iraq. I'm wondering if putting all this firepower in the vicinity of Iran isn't designed to provoke a response from them? Stinky would probably love to fire a few Seersucker missiles at us after claiming we illegally entered Iranian waters.

I'm thinking we might be pitching high inside fastballs in hopes that Iran swings for the fence.....

27 posted on 06/21/2007 6:23:20 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Just the facts ma'am)
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To: jhpigott

Call me skeptical, but after reading Bush’s secret dealing with the Muslim Brotherhood, another terror org on Pamela’s Atlas Shrugs, it appears that Pres Bush has pretty much changed his mind to attack Iran. In that interview, it was also revealed that Bush vs Condi promised Iran it would not strike in return for exit from Iraq with Iran’s help. Not sure whats going on behind the scenes, but observing that the Whitehouse supports Abbas, another terrorists, and these secret negotiations, I am actually speechless.


28 posted on 06/21/2007 6:23:33 AM PDT by Inge C (,)
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To: jhpigott

God Speed guys (and gals).


29 posted on 06/21/2007 6:24:13 AM PDT by SouthTexas
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Here’s hoping that iran doesnt have nukes. Even a badly aimed nuke over the gulf would put us in a bad place. Its not a big pond for a lot of carriers to work in.


30 posted on 06/21/2007 6:30:34 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I am not from Vermont. I lived there for four years and that was enough.)
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To: Thermalseeker

You are “misunderestimating” the President when it comes to protecting the U.S.

We are a military family. It is extremely painful to hear conservatives undercutting the CIC.


31 posted on 06/21/2007 6:35:47 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: Coldwater Creek
Knocking the crap out of Iran, is the one thing that you can count on from the President.

Sorry, I don't buy it. He's many days late and dollars short on this one. Personally, I wouldn't count on him for anything right now.

32 posted on 06/21/2007 6:37:06 AM PDT by pt17
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To: Vermont Lt

Here’s hoping that iran doesnt have nukes. Even a badly aimed nuke over the gulf would put us in a bad place. Its not a big pond for a lot of carriers to work in.

They better make their first shot count because I guarantee they will not get a second.


33 posted on 06/21/2007 6:38:13 AM PDT by BobinIL
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To: pt17

Fine! You are dead wrong!


34 posted on 06/21/2007 6:39:27 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: BobinIL

No doubt the response would be horrific—but the damage would be done and the entire Pacific would be open and vunerable. I always get nervous when a great percentage of our strategic forces are concentrated in a small area.


35 posted on 06/21/2007 6:40:39 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I am not from Vermont. I lived there for four years and that was enough.)
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General Characteristics, Nimitz Class

Length: 1,092 feet (332.85 meters).
Beam: 134 feet (40.84 meters); Flight Deck Width: 252 feet (76.8 meters).
Displacement: Approximately 97,000 tons (87,996.9 metric tons) full load.
Speed: 30+ knots (34.5+ miles per hour).

General Characteristics, Enterprise Class

Length: 1,101 feet 2 inches (335.64 meters).
Beam: 133 feet (39.9 meters); 252 feet (75.6 meters).
Displacement: 89,600 tons ( 81,283.8 metric tons) full load.
Speed: 30+ knots (34.5 miles per hour).

General Characteristics, Kitty Hawk Class

Length: 1062.5 feet (323.8 meters).
Beam: 130 feet (39 meters); Flight Deck Width: 252 feet (76.8 meters).
Displacement: Approx. 80,800 tons (73,300.5 metric tons) full load.
Speed: 30+ knots (34.5+ miles per hour).

36 posted on 06/21/2007 6:42:14 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Coldwater Creek
Fine! You are dead wrong!

Well, I certainly hope that you're right and I am wrong. IMHO, GWB has piddle-diddled with Iran and Syria for too long, beginning with letting that Iranian stooge al Sadr go. As far as protecting us is concerned, people should just look at our southern border and get concerned.

37 posted on 06/21/2007 6:44:40 AM PDT by pt17
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To: Vermont Lt

while 3 of our carriers does represent a large concentration of U.S. strategic forces, we still would have upwards of 7+ carriers at our Navy’s disposal.

I like the analogy someone else threw out there. Sending 3 carriers to the region is like throwing a high inside fastball to Iran in the hopes they are going to take a swing for the fence


38 posted on 06/21/2007 6:45:34 AM PDT by jhpigott
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To: BGHater
Lockdown of Whitman Air Force Base (where most B-2 bombers are stationed) in Missouri.

I get the rest of them, but not this one - can you explain?

39 posted on 06/21/2007 6:48:28 AM PDT by GOPJ (What we want to do is stop the Senate amnesty bill in its tracks right now.- Rep.Peter King R-NY)
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To: BGHater
You forgot one:
- The addition of heavy brigades (M1A@’s) in eastern Iraq and western Afghanistan to counter a counter-strike from Iran; since their Navy will be on the bottom of the Gulf and the Air force will be craters in the ground.
40 posted on 06/21/2007 6:52:44 AM PDT by Freeport
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To: Cap Huff

i just saw on another board where Enterprise is still in port at Norfolk. Can anyone else confirm that? I know there is a site that lists current US Navy deployments, i just can’t find it.

In defense of Debka, the article does say the Enterprise will be joining Stennis and Nimitz


41 posted on 06/21/2007 6:53:53 AM PDT by jhpigott
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To: GOPJ
Procedure would require that the base would shut down for the use of the Stealth's and keep the personnel on standby in the event of the bombings.
42 posted on 06/21/2007 7:06:07 AM PDT by BGHater
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To: Coldwater Creek
We are a military family.

Thank you and yours for your service!

You are “misunderestimating” the President when it comes to protecting the U.S.

Given what is going on on the southern border, having seen it with my own eyes, I don't think so. Couple that with all the blunders in Iraq and Afghanistan, the failures in intelligence and the utter mismanagement of the media, I really, really don't think so.

It is extremely painful to hear conservatives undercutting the CIC.

It is extremely painful for this conservative to sit and watch a POTUS I voted for TWICE as he wanders aimlessly as if he has no direction. He claims to be a conservative, but picks and chooses where he wishes to act like a conservative.

There is nothing conservative about leaving our southern border wide open in an age of suitcase nukes. There is nothing conservative about leaving said southern border wide open when a few million radical Muslims with a 7th century mentality who are desperately trying to gather that nuclear technology and use it against us because they believe it is their divine duty to kill every last American, including you and me. It is on this basis that I have lost confidence in him as CIC.

I applaud you and your family and all of our military for your service to our country. However, George W. Bush of late bears a striking resemblance to General McClellan in the Civil War. Then as now, it's obvious what needs to be done, but the man in charge just refuses to do it and that, my FRiend is not a conservative trait in any way.....

43 posted on 06/21/2007 7:09:01 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Just the facts ma'am)
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To: Joe Boucher; Coldwater Creek
I’ve lost confidence in him at this point. Syria and Iran have killed too many of our boys with impunity.

Of course, from a coldly cynical perspective, a limited attack on certain Iranian assets, or perhaps a blockade, would be a convenient and effective way to shift public attention and media focus from the impending domestic explosion over the illegal amnesty issue. During the distraction provided by this, Bush and the Congress could quietly ram through the legislation they desire.

44 posted on 06/21/2007 7:11:39 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: RexBeach

“The Big E is big alright, but it’s not the largest carrier in the fleet - is it?”

Its clearly on par with the Nimitz class. The Nimitz carriers have a little more tonnage, but end to end, the Enterprise is the longest warship in the world.


45 posted on 06/21/2007 7:12:02 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: Broker
"CVN 65 Enterprise is not the “biggest air carrier” by a long shot."

Ummm, not that long.

Nimitz Class: 98,000+ tons displacement, 1092 ft long

Enterprise: 93,000+ tons displacement, 1,123 ft long. Big E is the longest naval vessel in the world.

Both can carry approximately the same number of aircraft. They're both supercarriers, just different designs.
46 posted on 06/21/2007 7:18:12 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: BGHater

Prior to these ‘signs’ the president named a naval aviator to coordinate the Middle East war efforts, Admiral Fallon.


47 posted on 06/21/2007 7:18:57 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: BGHater

Just wondering if the guided missile cruiser Gettysburg is like the cruiser Long Beach (now scrapped.)


48 posted on 06/21/2007 7:21:08 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: pt17

Bush is waiting, patiently, to retire.


49 posted on 06/21/2007 7:23:00 AM PDT by gathersnomoss (If General Patton was alive, he would slap many faces!!)
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To: BGHater

Not going to happen under GWB’s watch. He has nothing to gain, personally.


50 posted on 06/21/2007 7:25:00 AM PDT by gathersnomoss (If General Patton was alive, he would slap many faces!!)
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