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Crushing blow to street racing
Inland Daily Bulletin | 21 June 2007 | Melissa Pinion-Whitt,

Posted on 06/21/2007 4:48:29 PM PDT by radar101

RIALTO - Charles Hoang shook his head and paced as he watched window glass cascade to the ground, tires burst and metal crumple. The 18-year-old Chino man wasn't watching his own vehicle being crushed into a brick of scrap metal, but he knew it would soon be his car's turn.

"I want to cry right now," he said. Hoang's 1998 Acura Integra GSR was seized by Ontario police several months ago when he was caught street racing along Airport Drive. On Wednesday, police destroyed the car he spent a year and thousands of dollars building from the ground up.

He was one of six people whose vehicles were crushed at Ecology Auto Parts in Rialto through the area's San Bernardino County Regional Street Racing Task Force.

It's an operation run by numerous law enforcement agencies including the California Highway Patrol, the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department, as well as the Fontana, Chino, Upland, Ontario Airport and Montclair police departments.

Police are able to destroy the vehicles through court orders.

Ontario police say the program has reduced the number of street racers coming to the area by 80 percent in the past two years. Fatal and injury crashes caused by street racing have also declined, police said.

Five of the vehicles were seized not because their owners were street racing, but because they contained stolen engines and transmissions, police said.

Daniel Maldonado snapped digital photos as he watched his black 1992 Honda Civic being crushed.

"It's my life in there," he said. "That's all my money. That's all I've worked for."

His transmission didn't have an identification number. Police said it had been stolen. But Maldonado said he didn't know that and that older Japanese cars have ID stickers that can fall off.

Ontario police Cpl. Jeff Higbee said that's not possible.

Older Japanese cars bought in Japan and brought to the United States may have that problem, but American manufacturers affix mylar stickers to Japanese car parts.

"If they're not there, they've been removed by the owner," he said.

Ontario police pulled over Sergio Zavala in Ontario last year for a burned-out headlight. When officers popped open the hood of his 1993 Honda Civic, they also saw an engine with no identification number.

He later replaced that engine, but the new one also had no ID number on it. He said he didn't have the time or money to go shopping around for an engine.

But having his car seized was enough of a reality check.

"In the end, it's not worth it," he said.

Some of the vehicle owners lost a lot more than their wheels.

After Hoang's car was seized, he got fired from his job because no one would give him a ride to work. He was kicked out of school because the long walk made him late too many times, he said.

But he has plans to start over on a new car. This time, he says he doesn't plan to race unless he's on a legal track.

"It was worth it," he said. "I have no regrets. I'll live and learn."

Contact writer Melissa Pinion-Whitt at (909) 386-3878 or via e-mail at melissa.pinion-whitt@sbsun.com.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: assetforfeiture; donutwatch; leo; wod
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1 posted on 06/21/2007 4:48:30 PM PDT by radar101
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To: radar101

Rice pudding?


2 posted on 06/21/2007 4:50:10 PM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: radar101
"It's my life in there," he said. "That's all my money. That's all I've worked for."

He should have stayed in the car.
3 posted on 06/21/2007 4:50:58 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Redcloak

Your papuz, pleez! Not having an ID sticker on your engine is sufficient evidence to sieze it? I realize it seems suspicious, but since when is it my responsibility to make sure there are serial numbers on everything I own? Let them make the case. Strong than “police say it was stolen”. If it didn’t have an ID, how could they possibly know that?


4 posted on 06/21/2007 4:53:37 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: radar101

And besides, even if they could prove the engine was stolen, how does that justify seizing the rest of the car?


5 posted on 06/21/2007 4:55:06 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Redcloak

Oops, sorry! My post was for radar101.


6 posted on 06/21/2007 4:55:58 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: radar101

“older Japanese cars have ID stickers that can fall off.”

I’m sure they “fall off.”

“Ontario police say the program has reduced the number of street racers coming to the area by 80 percent in the past two years”

Good start!

“After Hoang’s car was seized, he got fired from his job because no one would give him a ride to work. He was kicked out of school because the long walk made him late too many times, he said.”

He should have stuck to video games and wanking in his mom’s basement.


7 posted on 06/21/2007 4:56:07 PM PDT by Disturbin (Goverment is not the solution to any problem)
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To: Still Thinking

Ricers don’t get to steal stuff or buy stolen property any more than the rest of us do. No ID number on an engine means it’s stolen.


8 posted on 06/21/2007 4:57:01 PM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: Disturbin

Even if he admits he removed it so what? It’s the police’s job to prosecute crime, not our obligation as their employers to prove our innocence. The burden of proof is theirs.


9 posted on 06/21/2007 4:57:27 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: radar101

Sounds like “racial profiling” of Japanese cars ! /sarc


10 posted on 06/21/2007 4:58:22 PM PDT by traditional1
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To: radar101

I removed the “do not remove” sticker from my mattress and pillows. I suppose the police will show up and confiscate them?


11 posted on 06/21/2007 5:00:29 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (I believe that's my stapler....)
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To: Redcloak

I wouldn’t go so far as to say it “means it’s stolen”. It’s certainly a red flag, but absent other evidence, not enough to prove anything. That’s the problem with these asset seizures, they do an end run around due process. If they want to prosecute him for a crime, and are convincing enough to get a conviction, then I have no problem with the seizure of the property being part of the sentence, which could also include jail time, restitution, etc.


12 posted on 06/21/2007 5:00:32 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Still Thinking

It sounds like they are using a technicaltity to cut down on street racing.

I see your point, that he could, in theory, remove the ID stickers. But in CA, don’t they check various VIN numbers as part of the vehicle inspection?


13 posted on 06/21/2007 5:02:54 PM PDT by Disturbin (Goverment is not the solution to any problem)
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To: radar101

14 posted on 06/21/2007 5:04:23 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I buy gas for my SUV with the Carbon Offsets I sell on Ebay!)
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To: Still Thinking

Having these rice rockets running amuck and endangering the public is enough evidence to seize them. Its like taking the gun out of the rabid criminals hand, which should have been done before the Virginia Tech massicer.


15 posted on 06/21/2007 5:08:04 PM PDT by Weeedley
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To: Still Thinking

It doesn’t. We give more due process to terrorists and their sycophants..


16 posted on 06/21/2007 5:20:29 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Disturbin

I don’t think they do regular inspections in CA, except at title transfer. And anyway, VIN is not at issue here, they’re saying if an individual component in the car has no serial (not has a stolen one, but just a missing one), it justifies seizing the entire car.


17 posted on 06/21/2007 5:56:11 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Weeedley

But he wasn’t caught dragging, he was caught in possession of a car part (admittedly a major subcomponent) without a serial number. Is there a rash of deaths attributed to untraceable transmissions that I don’t know about?

If the legislature thinks they can get away with it politically, let them put this in the criminal code, which would require a trial using due process, and would also force it do be done by people who have to stand for reelection.


18 posted on 06/21/2007 6:00:05 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: radar101

I’m not an “at any cost” libertarian, but this seems awfully draconian to me. I could see a hefty fine because it’s dangerous and illegal, but not confiscation and destruction.


19 posted on 06/21/2007 6:01:34 PM PDT by Wicket (God bless and protect our troops and God bless America)
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To: Weeedley
Having these rice rockets running amuck and endangering the public is enough evidence to seize them. Its like taking the gun out of the rabid criminals hand...

You gotta be kidding me...granted, my contemporaries were more into Chevelles, Chargers, GTO's and the like. If they are racing, or driving recklessly, that's against the law and should be cited. I'm not very comfortable with the whole "you don't have the magic sticker, so we're going to crush your vehicle".

20 posted on 06/21/2007 6:03:59 PM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: Wicket
I could see a hefty fine because it?s dangerous and illegal, but not confiscation and destruction.

Except that two issues are covered together in the article. While it's true that they also do this for racing, this guy was pulled over for having a headlight out, they popped the hood (I assume they asked his permission, he was an idiot not to refuse it) and found an engine with no serial number.

21 posted on 06/21/2007 6:05:53 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Disturbin
He should have stuck to video games and wanking in his mom’s basement.

After all, it worked for me!

22 posted on 06/21/2007 6:07:18 PM PDT by Lazamataz (JOIN THE NRA: https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp)
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To: Mr. Bird

Now I WOULD support crusing in a car crusher any government employee (police officer, judge, prosecutor, congressman, President, etc), who did anything against the original intent of the Constitution. Just run the crusher real slow, so it takes like an hour.


23 posted on 06/21/2007 6:07:47 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: radar101

I did my street racing years ago...but if you bought a brand new aluminum engine case from Volkswagen back then, it came covered in cosmoline and it didn’t have a serial number stamped on it.


24 posted on 06/21/2007 6:09:35 PM PDT by etcetera (A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. Sigmund Freud)
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To: radar101

Crushed in 60 Seconds...


25 posted on 06/21/2007 6:12:44 PM PDT by RachelFaith
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To: etcetera

Your car should have been confiscated and crushed, not just for the street racing, but for failing to anticipate and accomodate your employees’ desire to trace your motor.


26 posted on 06/21/2007 6:12:54 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: radar101

I have always said this is what should happen to repeat offenders of DUI-DWI. Also driving on suspended or revoked license.


27 posted on 06/21/2007 6:13:42 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (http://www.imwithfred.com/index.aspx)
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To: sgtbono2002

What if they keep lowering the legal BAL? Would you still feel the same way if DUI becomes 0.02%? Does the fact that the feds bribe the states to establish a given BAL limit have any effect on your thinking on the matter? I realize the questions sound confrontational but that’s not my intent, more curiosity.


28 posted on 06/21/2007 6:19:51 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Mr. Bird

Yeah but those were classic cars destined to be worth 6 figures in 40 years. We had to be fools to risk such expensive detroit iron just to see whos car was faster.


29 posted on 06/21/2007 6:20:32 PM PDT by Weeedley
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To: Mr. Bird

Yeah but those were classic cars destined to be worth 6 figures in 40 years. We had to be fools to risk such expensive detroit iron just to see whos car was faster.


30 posted on 06/21/2007 6:20:41 PM PDT by Weeedley
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To: sgtbono2002

I also enjoy (figure of speech) MADD successfully lobbying for a decrease in the federal BAL, then citing in their fundraising the “increase in drunk driving”.


31 posted on 06/21/2007 6:22:48 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Redcloak
No ID number on an engine means it’s stolen.

Not necessarily.

If the engine is "built" by a HP company like Spoon, they probably started with a new block casting, which would not have a serial number....

A reman engine would have serial numbers, and if the engine was replaced in the car, it would not have the "correct" serial number.

Teens have been hot-rodding their rides since there have been cars, and engine/transmission swaps have been a part of hot-rodding....

32 posted on 06/21/2007 6:46:13 PM PDT by dirtbiker (I'm a liberal's worst nightmare: Redneck with a pickup, library card, and a concealed carry permit)
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To: etcetera

2180?


33 posted on 06/21/2007 6:50:22 PM PDT by biff
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To: Still Thinking

Nice try...


34 posted on 06/21/2007 7:06:11 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Still Thinking

It does say that 5 of the 6 vehicles had stolen parts, but the last one apparently was just for street racing - and it sounds like this is a procedure that may be fairly common.

I’d like to whomp ‘em up side the head for endangering others, but taking a multiple thousand dollar car seems a bit much (except of course if it was stolen).


35 posted on 06/21/2007 7:09:21 PM PDT by Wicket (God bless and protect our troops and God bless America)
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To: Publius6961

Squeeze me?


36 posted on 06/21/2007 7:51:15 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: K4Harty

“Time to un-pimp...zee auto.”


37 posted on 06/21/2007 7:53:30 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Don't question faith. Don't answer lies.)
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To: radar101

Here

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1853790/posts


38 posted on 06/21/2007 8:01:07 PM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Nothing witty here...)
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To: Still Thinking

I think Madd mothers sucks and the level now is too low.

The feds bribe the states to do a lot of things, Seat belts, helmets for motorcycles. legal drinking age of 21. Its a damned shame a Marine cant drink a beer at 19. As long as he stays off the road he should be able to have a brew.

I am not speaking of the occasional drinker who gets caught after a glass of wine.

There are professional drunks out there, you and I both know it, Most of us have friends who drink every day. I have a friend who wakes up and would blow a .08. These people are alcoholics who refuse help and refuse to stop driving. What good is it to put these people in jail so you and I have to feed them. Crush their damn cars. That should send them a message.

I am speaking of the guy with DUI’s up the ying yang who refuses to stop driving. Take his damned car and crush it.He doesnt belong on the road.


39 posted on 06/21/2007 8:06:13 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (http://www.imwithfred.com/index.aspx)
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To: sgtbono2002

I think we’re at least mostly on the same page. I agree with all your positions except you don’t say what you think of the federal bribery.

I think it’s not OK on this issue and not OK on any other issue. If the feds have to slip in a bribe, it’s something they don’t have the authority to mandate. If they’re using tax dollars to bribe the states to do something they can’t mandate, they’ve overtaxed us. They paying our state legislators to do things they might not otherwise do, things we don’t want, and they paying them with OUR money, extracted in amounts large enough that they have some left over to use on issues in which they have no authority.


40 posted on 06/21/2007 8:38:01 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: sgtbono2002

And I have no problem incarcerating or smashing the cars of the hard core types you refer to, but those types generally blow like a 0.15. If someone did that repeatedly, proven with criminal level due process (not asset forfeiture “we want it and you can’t prove it’s yours” due process), and the car they were in belonged to them, I say crush it.


41 posted on 06/21/2007 8:41:52 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Still Thinking
Even if he admits he removed it so what? It’s the police’s job to prosecute crime, not our obligation as their employers to prove our innocence. The burden of proof is theirs.

OK Skippy. Remove the VIN labels on all your cars and tell us how that works out.

Keep a diary while awaiting your court date.

42 posted on 06/21/2007 10:17:31 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Publius6961
IT”S NOT THE VIN. FOR THE HUNDREDTH FREAKING TIME, IT’S NOT THE VIN!! It’s a serial number on a component of the car. And no, while I don’t know what the law is on the matter, I don’t even think it’s our responsibility to run around with ID numbers on our cars. I wasn’t making an argument of what would work in today’s legal system, but what it should be from a principled standpoint. Didn’t a teacher ever ask you in grade school “If everybody else was jumping off a cliff, would you do it?”
43 posted on 06/21/2007 10:58:52 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Still Thinking

I see what you’re saying. And I can’t imagine cops can be bothered with checking serial numbers on transmissions, blocks etc. Is there something omitted from the story?


44 posted on 06/22/2007 4:36:10 AM PDT by Disturbin (Goverment is not the solution to any problem)
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To: Lazamataz

“After all, it worked for me!”

LOL!


45 posted on 06/22/2007 4:36:46 AM PDT by Disturbin (Goverment is not the solution to any problem)
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To: Still Thinking

The feds bribe the states to do a lot of things, Seat belts, helmets for motorcycles. legal drinking age of 21. Its a damned shame a Marine cant drink a beer at 19. As long as he stays off the road he should be able to have a brew

FEDERAL BRIBERY SUCKS AT ANY LEVEL.

The states should be allowed to pass their own laws and no be bribed by Federal Highway money.


46 posted on 06/22/2007 4:48:28 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (http://www.imwithfred.com/index.aspx)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

I was at youtube yesterday watching those videos and LOL.


47 posted on 06/22/2007 6:30:06 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I buy gas for my SUV with the Carbon Offsets I sell on Ebay!)
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Does this mean I have to worry about what I replace the parts of my car with? Is a K&N Filter now considered a modification for racing? In a roundabout way this is making the Magnuson and Moss act worthless because now your going to have to use stock looking pieces so your car doesn't get crushed. The guy that can afford the high end cars is benefiting from this one...Another reason to stay out of California.
48 posted on 06/22/2007 6:35:07 AM PDT by Coulda
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To: radar101

“Older Japanese cars bought in Japan and brought to the United States may have that problem, but American manufacturers affix mylar stickers to Japanese car parts.”

So the cops concede that there may be parts without serial numbers that aren’t stolen? Is it illegal to put an engine or tranny imported from Japan in a car, assuming it meets the smog regulations? And lots of parts for Japanese cars are imported from Japan, as there are engines and trannies available there that aren’t here, and Japanese regulations mean that cars with parts with lots of usable life left in them get junked. Were any of these guys whose cars were seized charged with possession of stolen property? If not, why not? I’m still not convinced that this is a legitimate approach to the problem of street racing.


49 posted on 06/22/2007 6:42:06 AM PDT by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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To: K4Harty
I was at youtube yesterday watching those videos and LOL.

I love 'em. Peter Stormare is so great. Those and the Evil Sport Ka commercials are my favorite car ads.

50 posted on 06/22/2007 6:42:38 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Don't question faith. Don't answer lies.)
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