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Bloomberg's America is different from Ross Perot's
CNN ^ | June 23, 2007 | Roland S. Martin

Posted on 06/23/2007 11:03:10 AM PDT by OKIEDOC

Who is Bloomberg's constituency? Is it Republicans who are desperate for a standard-bearer in the mold of Ronald Reagan? Bloomberg doesn't appeal to the GOP base -- he's liberal, from New York and is Jewish. (Be honest, if he was a hard-core conservative and a Baptist, they would be falling over him.)

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bloomersberger; fruity; liberal; newyork
A CNN liberal playing the Jessie Jackson/Al Sharpton religious/race baiting and enabling card.

CNN needs to be called out on this kind of rhetoric from and obvious racists thinking writer.

Yep Senor Martin us Republican base have been called many things lately, some bad words by our own elected politicians.

Words like bigot, Latino haters, racists and others come to mind.

However, Mr. Martin had you opened your obviously racists eyes and ears you would have seen the hand writing on the wall or perhaps a Baptist church service.

Something that you probably do not know and understand Mr. Martin is that it is in the best interest of Christians that Jews should not parish from the face of this earth.

I judge Bloomberg not on his religious affiliation but on his idiotic liberal dictatorial know it all attitude that he brought to the mayors job.

Just a lowly opinion of a red state wannabe.

1 posted on 06/23/2007 11:03:12 AM PDT by OKIEDOC
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To: OKIEDOC

How can Bloomberg know anything about America, he’s never lived there?


2 posted on 06/23/2007 11:06:50 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: OKIEDOC
Be honest, if he was a hard-core conservative and a Baptist, they would be falling over him.

If he was a true conservative we'd be willing to listen carefully to what he has to say...regardless of his religion.

3 posted on 06/23/2007 11:07:55 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
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To: OKIEDOC

The only thing that needed to be said was that Bloomberg is a liberal and not a hardcore conservative. The race/religion baiting going on is sickening. I think, no I KNOW, that if the two candidates for president were a Jewish conservative, and Jimmy Carter, who was a very devout Baptist, there wouldnt be any question who conservatives would vote for. Religion does not enter the equation.


4 posted on 06/23/2007 11:08:39 AM PDT by oakcon (Dulce et Decorum est pro Patria mori)
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To: OKIEDOC

This youtube video will explain everything that an out of towner needs to know about how Mike Bloomberg see’s himself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyj0dR5o_Z8


5 posted on 06/23/2007 11:10:58 AM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

An excellent point.


6 posted on 06/23/2007 11:11:54 AM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: OKIEDOC

Stupidest statment I have read in a long time.

To paraphrase: Bloomberg is a liberal, but if he was a conservative then conservatives would support him.

How very hard hitting and provacative /sarc. Is this what passes for journalism today? Oh wait, it is.


7 posted on 06/23/2007 11:12:37 AM PDT by frankiep (Beer - the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems)
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To: OKIEDOC
For more on Bloomberg, click on this thread...

Fmr. Bloomberg Adviser: '08 Run '80% Probable' if Parties Nominate Extremists (Romney an extremist?)

Run, Bloomie, run!

8 posted on 06/23/2007 11:14:31 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: OKIEDOC
Bloomberg would totally disarm every American if he had the power. That alone makes him much too dangerous to ever be in a position of power outside of NYC. The fact that he’s Jewish is irrelevant.
9 posted on 06/23/2007 11:14:37 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (Run, Fred run! I will send my donation as soon as you announce.)
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To: AlaskaErik
He’s already trying to disarm every American even though he doesn’t have the power. I’ve never heard of a politician who worked harder to exert extra-jurisdictional authority.
10 posted on 06/23/2007 11:16:25 AM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: OKIEDOC
Bloomberg doesn't appeal to the GOP base -- he's liberal, from New York and is Jewish. (Be honest, if he was a hard-core conservative and a Baptist, they would be falling over him.)

If he were a hard core conservative, even if he were not Baptist, he wouldn't be flirting with a third party run; he'd be one of the Republican party candidates. Even if he does try to run as an Independent, he won't be hurting the Republicans; he'll get votes from disaffected Democrats who can't stand Hillary, or don't think Obama has enough political experience.

The writer is right about one thing though, Bloomberg won't get elected, even if he does burn some of his personal wealth trying. He's just not in step with most Americans.

11 posted on 06/23/2007 11:16:36 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: OKIEDOC

Perot is billionaire. Bloomberg is billionaire. A billion dollars can give one delusions of grandeur, and that is where the similarity ends. Perot was flaky to the point of a pathology, but his political piano kept knocking out populist tunes, and with the elitist clowns in Washington running the country into the ground, a nut like Perot can play a political tune which sounds pretty good for a while. Bloomberg is an elitist from head to toe and any elitist with enough money can buy any office he pleases in NY and a handful of East Coast states, but the tune this schmuck plays has no resonance whatsoever, not even for the New York minute that Perot on had on the political stage.


12 posted on 06/23/2007 11:17:17 AM PDT by Biblebelter (I can't believe people still watch TV with the sound on.)
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To: OKIEDOC
(Be honest, if he was a hard-core conservative and a Baptist, they would be falling over him.)

What a stupid remark. Being a conservative is a requirement for most conservatives. I could care less about the religious affiliation, as long as it's not muslim. Bloomberg just comes across as very arrogant. And that would turn off a lot of people. But arrogance is normally a liberal trait.

13 posted on 06/23/2007 11:18:18 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (Run, Fred run! I will send my donation as soon as you announce.)
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To: OKIEDOC
All I know is Bloomberg is one of the most boring speakers to ever mount a podium. He missed his true calling, he should have been a sleep therapist.

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14 posted on 06/23/2007 11:20:04 AM PDT by AdvisorB ("A Hillary Clinton presidency will result in a weaker economy and a weaker America" Dick Morris)
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To: oakcon

>I KNOW, that if the two candidates for president were a Jewish conservative, and Jimmy Carter, who was a very devout Baptist, there wouldnt be any question who conservatives would vote for.

Good point. How about if it was a black Muslim conservative?
I hope the answer is still the same.

I’m not too worried about the black part, but...


15 posted on 06/23/2007 11:23:42 AM PDT by chipengineer
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To: chipengineer

And a Mormon? I wouldn’t have thought it would be an issue with a lot of so-called conservatives, but apparently Jews and Mormons do not get equal standing in our midst.

They wouldn’t in liberal circles, either, of course, but that’s par for the course for anyone with strong religious convictions.


16 posted on 06/23/2007 11:33:54 AM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: AlaskaErik
Excellent comment.

Liberals just do not understand that many Christians have been driven into a defensive posture.

We either support those of our own beliefs or completely give up on the values that act as glue to hold this country together.

17 posted on 06/23/2007 11:39:45 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, DUNCAN or THOMPSON 08, ELECTION 2008, MOST IMPORTANT OF MY LIFE TIME)
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To: OKIEDOC

Heard Bloomberg first time this week. He is sharp, way beyond the boatload of candidates of either major party. So, they say he is a Liberal of the worst kind. Maybe he won’t win anywhere but NYC. He will be heard from anyway.


18 posted on 06/23/2007 11:43:22 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: oakcon
Believe me I am still having night sweats from my misguided youthful days of passing out Jimmy Carter campaign literature to an unsuspecting public.

I wonder if St Peter will remember that I once supported the worst president in the history of mankind. LOL

What really worries me, will God ever forgive me such a big blunder.

19 posted on 06/23/2007 11:50:12 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, DUNCAN or THOMPSON 08, ELECTION 2008, MOST IMPORTANT OF MY LIFE TIME)
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To: Gay State Conservative
>>Be honest, if he was a hard-core conservative and a Baptist, they would be falling over him.

>If he was a true conservative we'd be willing to listen carefully to what he has to say...regardless of his religion.

Yes, that was a cheap shot on their part.

Bloomberg's constitutency would be the disaffected middle. People who aren't strongly ideological but who are fed up with today's politics.

Maybe if you take the set of people who would have voted for Perot in 1992 and 1996, John Anderson in 1980, and Eugene McCarthy in 1976 you get an idea of who would vote for Bloomberg.

Maybe 3-5% of the population, people who used to be Republicans long ago, but haven't gotten around to becoming Democrats.

Somebody said candidates like Anderson do well in states with bottle deposit laws. Bloomberg will have a following in, say, Maine, Connecticut, Oregon, Colorado, Wisconsin and Iowa.

I don't know if those states all have bottle return laws, but they all had that old liberal Republican tradition. Even though his strength will be in Democrat states, he still may take more voters away from the Republicans.

20 posted on 06/23/2007 11:51:24 AM PDT by x
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To: RightWhale
I don’t think anyone is criticizing Bloomberg for his smarts.

Most are critical of his arrogant dictatorial attitude towards those he was elected to serve.

21 posted on 06/23/2007 11:55:12 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, DUNCAN or THOMPSON 08, ELECTION 2008, MOST IMPORTANT OF MY LIFE TIME)
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To: OKIEDOC

The libs are scared of a Bloomberg Run!

Run Bloomy Run,

And you too Nader,

Oh and the CP

and The Libertarians,

If we have them plus the Reps and Dems then maybe we can have a true RR Conservative in the white house. At least possibly a realalignment ala 1860s.


22 posted on 06/23/2007 11:56:09 AM PDT by JSDude1 (Republicans if the don't beware ARE the new WHIGS! (all empty hairpieces..) :).)
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To: OKIEDOC

Martin’s point, if you read the article has little to do with Bloomberg being Jewish. He wasn’t saying the GOP is anti-Jewish, he was simply saying that rich Jewish liberals like Bloomberg aren’t exactly the GOP base.

The reality is that most Jewish people don’t vote Republican and people tend to vote for candidates they can identify so Bloomberg’s candidacy won’t take votes from the GOP but from Dems.

His main point, however was that Bloomberg has no grassroots constituency to rely on because he has covered no issues the other two parties aren’t covering.

Bloomberg’s only reason for becoming President is because he wants to be President.


23 posted on 06/23/2007 12:21:20 PM PDT by MonkeyBarrel
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To: tcostell
He’s already trying to disarm every American even though he doesn’t have the power. I’ve never heard of a politician who worked harder to exert extra-jurisdictional authority.

DING! DING! DING!

We have a winner.

Power-mad contempt for the Constitution in an attempt to subvert the Second Amendment through the criminal solicitation of criminal activities does not presidential material make.

(Sheeeeesh! All we need is another New York Liberal in the race...)

24 posted on 06/23/2007 12:28:53 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: OKIEDOC

Smart people can be like that sometimes. Especially those that have $5 billion of their own.


25 posted on 06/23/2007 12:30:19 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: x
Most of the Perot voters I knew were disaffected, but because they thought the rest of the field too liberal.

Bloomberg would not draw from that base.

He would be more likely to pull votes from Hitlary or O'bamma.

26 posted on 06/23/2007 12:32:47 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: MonkeyBarrel
MonkeyBarrel wrote:

Martin’s point, if you read the article has little to do with Bloomberg being Jewish. He wasn’t saying the GOP is anti-Jewish, he was simply saying that rich Jewish liberals like Bloomberg aren’t exactly the GOP base.

Comment:

No newbie I didn’t read the article, that is why the excerpt was posted. (Sarcasm On)

What this MSM loving dopey writer was inferring is that most Republicans are nothing more than racists, arrogant, narrow minded Mushrooms.

As for Bloomberg taking votes away from the Republicans I doubt that would be a major concern outside of Manhattan.

27 posted on 06/23/2007 12:40:21 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, DUNCAN or THOMPSON 08, ELECTION 2008, MOST IMPORTANT OF MY LIFE TIME)
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To: Mr.Smorch

You had me laughing so hard i am crying


28 posted on 06/23/2007 1:02:41 PM PDT by italianquaker ("blue dog democrats", that dog don't hunt)
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To: MonkeyBarrel
"Bloomberg’s only reason for becoming President is because he wants to be President."

I agree, but that also covers most of the candidates in the Republican and Democrat party, plus some who haven't entered the race but would like to.

29 posted on 06/23/2007 1:35:33 PM PDT by penowa (NO more Bushes; NO more Clintons EVER!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Yeah, he’s only lived in New York City. And that is part of America. If it were not, then the terrorists did not attack America, you stupid hick.


30 posted on 06/23/2007 1:42:29 PM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: Smokin' Joe
Bloomberg certainly wouldn't do as well as Perot in the Northern Rockies, where Perot got over a quarter of the vote in 1992, but there may be some overlap in the East.

I was thinking of Maine, where Perot got his highest percentage of the vote. Bloomberg could do well there, but those may not have been typical Perot voters.

31 posted on 06/23/2007 1:42:37 PM PDT by x
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To: RightWhale

Yeah, well, I agree he’s sharp and very intelligent. But I don’t think he is any more intelligent than Giuliani. Moreover, I am concerned that unlike Giuliani, he has not fought two extremely difficult campaigns. Bloomberg was able to spend his opposition into oblivion both times. That might not happen on a national level.


32 posted on 06/23/2007 1:43:45 PM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: frankiep
Roland Martin:


33 posted on 06/23/2007 1:52:11 PM PDT by Zebra
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To: republicanwizard

Sure can’t tell just by looking! Where do they hide the Bill of Rights?


34 posted on 06/23/2007 2:10:28 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

What do you mean?


35 posted on 06/23/2007 2:37:41 PM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: republicanwizard

Don’t bother! He’s hittin’ the ‘shine early.


36 posted on 06/23/2007 2:39:47 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: republicanwizard

Yeah, he’s only lived in New York City. And that is part of America.


Uh, he was born in Boston and grew up in Medford, MA.


37 posted on 06/23/2007 2:40:34 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

At least as Mayor the past 6 years, and last I checked, Massachusetts is part of the United States too.


38 posted on 06/23/2007 3:28:40 PM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: republicanwizard

...and last I checked, Massachusetts is part of the United States too.


Trying telling that to a Yankees fan.


39 posted on 06/23/2007 3:32:45 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

Well, I’m an Eagles fan, so I’m not exactly bubbling with enthusiasm for Massachusetts.


40 posted on 06/23/2007 4:15:53 PM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: italianquaker

Mi dispiace, pisano.


41 posted on 06/23/2007 4:16:53 PM PDT by AdvisorB ("A Hillary Clinton presidency will result in a weaker economy and a weaker America" Dick Morris)
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To: CheyennePress

jews are fine in liberal circles-as long as they really don’t believe in any higher power,hate guns,support abortion,and want the country flooded with illegal aliens-if they believe in the Creator,like guns,are pro-life and pro immigration law enforcement they certainly aren’t welcomed by liberals


42 posted on 06/23/2007 4:23:55 PM PDT by steamroller
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To: x
I don't see Bloomberg doing well at all, except in the most liberal areas. Most consider Gun Control the third rail of American Politics, and try to avoid it, especially in these parts.

Bloomberg has not just embraced it, but has (arguably) solicited people to break the law in order to impose gun control on people who live well outside New York City and even New York State.

Needless to say, that does not go over very well around here.

Galvanize gunowners against you and you are a placeholder on the ballot, nothing more.

While he might take votes from the other notably antigun candidates (Hillary and O'bama, maybe even Rudy), he won't take anything from a Conservative, provided the GOP has enough sense to run one.

Let Bloomberg run as an Independant, and let the GOP run someone who is credibly pro gun, credible on border issues (closing the bloody thing), and at least a credible standard bearer for the War on Terror, and there is a GOP winner for '08--even if by plurality (Hey, it worked for Clinton).

If they have a pro-life background, that is a real plus.

A little polish from the media savvy folks (I think there might be one or two at the GOP somewhere), and any qualifying candidate (on the issues) could be shined up and not only do well, but win.

43 posted on 06/24/2007 2:09:06 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: OKIEDOC
(Be honest, if he was a hard-core conservative and a Baptist, they would be falling over him.)

A hard-core conservative, yes. But we don't use religious denomination as a litmus test.

Now, let's be REALLY honest. He ain't no conservative, so your whole point is moot.

44 posted on 06/24/2007 2:28:07 AM PDT by LantzALot (Yes, itís my opinion. No, itís not humble.)
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To: OKIEDOC

The main point of this article is not about Bloomberg, it is about MSM bigotry and bias. Playing the race/religion card, and attributing it to Conservative bigotry, is a despicable tactic from these blatantly racist CNN commentators.

They tell us that we, racist, bigoted, Conservatives would never vote for Bloomberg because he is a Jew, or Romney because he is a Mormon. Because they view the world this way, they project it on to Conservatives.

Bloomberg has lived a terrific American story. Born in a working class family in Massachussetts, he had to deliver newspapers and work his way through High School and college after his father died. He has fulfilled the American Dream and is a true self-nade man. Admoirable, but that doesn’t mean he is someone who should be President.

These men are not disqualified by their religion. We judge a man by his actions, abilities, and core beliefs, not by the way in which he worships God.


45 posted on 06/24/2007 2:42:05 AM PDT by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO :: Keep the Arkansas Grifters out of the White house.)
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To: republicanwizard

Check your facts. Bloomberg was born and raised in Massachussetts, in a family of very modest means.


46 posted on 06/24/2007 2:45:33 AM PDT by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO :: Keep the Arkansas Grifters out of the White house.)
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To: LantzALot
I really resent these arrogant elitist know it all near do wells telling me how I must think to be in the so called maim stream norm.

I would not vote for this light in the shorts dictatorial fruitcake with a Napoleonic ego no matter what religion he practiced.

47 posted on 06/24/2007 4:56:52 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, DUNCAN or THOMPSON 08, ELECTION 2008, MOST IMPORTANT OF MY LIFE TIME)
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To: OKIEDOC
I would not vote for this light in the shorts dictatorial fruitcake with a Napoleonic ego no matter what religion he practiced.

Nor would I. It's nice, though, to imagine that he could suck off enough liberal votes to do to the dems what Perot did to Bush-the-first in '92.

48 posted on 06/24/2007 5:13:35 AM PDT by LantzALot (Yes, itís my opinion. No, itís not humble.)
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To: LantzALot
Yes, your correct, thats why I support this egomaniac.
49 posted on 06/24/2007 5:29:47 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, DUNCAN or THOMPSON 08, ELECTION 2008, MOST IMPORTANT OF MY LIFE TIME)
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To: OKIEDOC
... thats why I support this egomaniac.

As do I. In fact, just a day ago, a lib family member said he thought Bloomberg would be a good candidate. That's what got me thinking along those lines.

50 posted on 06/24/2007 5:36:55 AM PDT by LantzALot (Yes, itís my opinion. No, itís not humble.)
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