Skip to comments.Nazis Rock on in Croatia
Posted on 06/23/2007 11:07:39 AM PDT by Bokababe
Received this morning from Simon Wiesenthal Centers Israel Director Efraim Zuroff (bold emphasis added): Wiesenthal Center Expresses Outrage At Massive Outburst of Nostalgia for Croatian Fascism at Zagreb Rock Concert:
Jerusalem The Simon Wiesenthal Center today expressed its sense of outrage and disgust in the wake of a massive show of fascist salutes, symbols and uniforms at a rock concert by popular ultra-nationalist Croatian singer Thompson attended by 60,000 people in Zagreb last night. In a letter sent today to Croatian President Stjepan Mesic, the Centers chief Nazi-hunter Israel director Dr. Efraim Zuroff noted the presence of Croatian dignities, including the Minister of Science, Education and Sports, at the event and called for the banning of concerts by singers like Thompson who glorify fascism and racism. According to Zuroff:
According to the Croatian media, the concert turned into a massive fascist demonstration with tens of thousands of people shouting the infamous Ustasha salute of Za dom spremni. In addition, numerous participants came wearing Ustasha uniforms and symbols. To make matters worse, in attendance last night were officials and members of Parliament, as well as the Minister of Science, Education [!!] and Sports.
Under the current circumstances, I believe that the time has come to prohibit public concerts by those who write songs of nostalgia for Jasenovac and inspire the show of Ustasha symbols, which constitute open and blatant incitement against all the minorities in Croatia.
(Excerpt) Read more at juliagorin.com ...
Might have something to do with the meddling the UN and NATO have done in that region over the past decade, no?
That whole region is soooo beautiful, and yet so embattled.
Her T shirt shows a picture of war criminal Ante Gotovina and says, "A thick fog will descend again" from a WWII Nazi Ustashi song that says:
A dense fog descended on Zagreb, It was no dense fog above Zagreb, It was the brave army of the Poglavnik (the Fuehrer, Croatian President Ante Pavelic). Poglavnik, gather up the army, And lead it to bloody battle to Drina (border between Bosnia and Serbia). Poglavnik gave them the name, brave Ustashe, That is the army defending our homes. A dense fog descended on Kupres (majority-Serb Herzegovina town which the Black Legion terrorized in the 40s), It was no dense fog above Kupres. Their leader was knightly Boban, a real Ustasha (Black Legion commander Rafael Boban). Under the mosque he shouts, a brave Ustasha. (Probably a reference to the Bosnian Muslims who served in the Black Legion.) Poglavnik named them the Black Legion. It was a brave army, the Black Legion.
More photos here
And the best part......
This is Miomir Zuzul , former Croatian Foreign Minister and Ambassador to the US and UN and his family at this fascist lovefest!
All from Julia Gorin's Republican Riot
Woodstock all over again.
Neil Young concert?
No. During WWII, Nazi Germany backed the WWWII Independent State of Croatia, where Croat Fascists and Muslim Fascists allied in a massive genocide against Serbs, Jews and Gypsies. These Croats (called the Ustashi) went underground for nearly fifty years, only to resurface in the break up of Yugoslavia. And who was at the front of the line backing Croat Independence? Germany. And who was Croatia's ally once again? The Muslims of Bosnia and Kosovo!
What Germany could accomplish in the Balkans during 2 World Wars, we helped them do 15 years ago.
The Nazis and the Muslim allies are back with a vengeance, pretending to fight one another, but really enabling one another. The only difference is that this time, the US is on their side, instead of being their enemy.
Certain Croatian fans of their soccer; have broken into Fascist types of celebrations too, all sides have their sins, I am sure; but it is well documented that during the Balkan wars, some resorted back to Croatia’s past that saw them as an ally with Nazi Germany; the Croats were the Ustache. I have no idea how widespread this is; but there football fans have gotten into plenty of trouble.
Everything old comes back again—like it or not.
Why does this guy call himself “Thompson”? Not a very Croatian name. I’m rather insulted because it happens to be my family name and I don’t like being associated with Neo-Nazi scum.
Clinton’s Balkan policy was a shame upon America and I am very angry with Bush for continuing it. The Serbs were unfairly demonized IMHO.
Miomir Zuzul-——Former Commie now a fascist!
What’s next Islamofascist?
Croatians are really a blast!
And this is what it looked like for Serbs & Jews the last time!
A history of WWII Croatia here.
From what I read “Thompson” refers to the name of a submachine gun.
Someone else I know asked the same question for the same reasons, and this was the explanation he got:
The "Thompson" moniker refers to the "Tommy-gun," a Prohibition-era > automatic weapon . Some of those had made their way to Yugoslavia during WW2, > and had been stored as museum pieces until 1991, when Croatian militias > "liberated" them and used them against the Serbs. >
Here’s a couple of really frightening videos set to Thompson’s music:
And this is the tip of the iceberg. There are probably 50 or more of them on You Tube. I got 20+ just with the Ustashi phrase “Za dom spremni”.
I cannot stand to watch any more. Using the Lord’s symbols like Hitler’s masses did.
I know they were in the past——but I wonder what percentage of the Croatians are caught up in this demented stuff...now.
You know, I thought that might be the case, but then I thought, why would a Neo-Nazi Ustashe name himself after an American weapon that was widely used against Nazis in WWII? So, I am guessing that perhaps the OSS in WWII dropped Thompsons to the Chetniks and Communist partisans and those wound up in Yugoslav museums and were as you say, “liberated” by Croatian militias who used them against the Serbs.
I know they were in the pastbut I wonder what percentage of the Croatians are caught up in this demented stuff...now.
Far too many, from what I understand.
They are some sick mofos. It’s a shame as it is really a beautiful country from what I hear but I don’t think I’d want to go there.
Reminds me of the Theological definition of "evil":
"Evil is the corruption of that which was originally good".
Another Julia Gorin column...
... that means half of it is wrong, and the other half is filled with hysterical exaggerations. Some writers just get too emotionally involved.
She hasn’t manged to write one objective column yet, why start now.
Another canuck post ... blanket denials without proof, jingoisitic Serbophobia and hysterical emotionalism that is supposed to be accepted as "fact".
Want to challenge a real fact in her article? Get off your lazy butt and do it. Otherwise, can it!
Yes, amazingly, Jews are a little sensitive about seeing a revival of Nazi symbols. Wonder why? Duh!
...half of it is wrong....hysterical exaggerations
What is “wrong” and which is “hysterical”?
Racism is a problem across Europe.
If you want to see racist displays in the former Yugoslavia, you can always go to a Serbian soccer game:
Here is a video with Serb fans dressed up like Ku Klux Klansman and waving the Stars and Bars:
Here are articles about very recent racist acts at soccer games by Serbs:
So, apparently the Croats aren’t the only ones with a problem.
Can I get the Cliff Notes version of all this?
Secondly, 20 FK Borats fans is a far cry from the mob of 50,000 at Thompson's concert engaging in a mass orgy of fascism, anti-Semitism and Serbophobia. Whole families went to the concert. That's what's scary, not the primitive dumb ass singer.
Thirdly, whereas 20 Serbs are seen waving Dixie flags and shouting racist slurs at a black soccer player from Zimbabwe, Nazism is a part of Croatian nation's (very recent) past. The past that Croatia must deal with and fast because there are 300,000 Serbs who would like to go back to their ancestral homes.
Lastly, the Croatian state participated in THE HOLOCAUST and had murdered 750,000 Serbs, Jews and other Untermenschen.
Get lost and don't come back with your asinine apologist crap.
It is true that many Serb soccer fans are out of hand and should be stopped. Fine them, send them home, get them the hell out of the stadium -- they are a**holes.
And it also true that they aren't alone -- we have seen similar problems with soccer fans across Europe.
The only difference as far as I am concerned is that the Serb racist stuff is complete gobbledygook. Except in Belgrade or one of the big cities, most Serbs have never seen Blacks let alone known many. And as for the KKK stuff, it's ridiculous because most Serbs who came here when my family came to the US, were actually the target and victims of the KKK, not perpetrators. These Serb soccer fans just found some stupid-ass way to try and mentally get at the Black players who were beating them, by mimicking US bigots like the KKK. It's unacceptable behavior and should be stopped, but it isn't part of some "political movement or ideology".
On the other hand, this "Thompson event" was a rock concert and not a soccer game -- this was "for fascism" and not just "something to get a Serb's goat on an opposing sports team". Serbs have never mass murdered Blacks like Croats mass-murdered Serbs, Jews & Gypsies. This Thompson concert is the promotion of a political ideology, not just "bad behavior at a soccer game". There is a qualitative difference.
And if some Serb political figure were caught at a goose-stepping fascist event like this one, it would have been all over the cover of Newsweek.
The Nazis are back in Croatia.
Look, the Euros can do whatever they want to, but it's apparent to me that the political direction of just about every European country is borderline nuthead.
We can continue to peacefully live with whatever they decide to do, but I just hope that we still have the original Cold War plans to blow them flying through the air like rag dolls on fire if it ever becomes necessary.
Stuff happens more often than not at most stupid soccer matches...nothing like the hooliganism at German Turkish and British games!
A totally different situation at this concert.
A few clowns at a soccer match versus thousands including a Croat political leader doing the goose-step...sanctioned by the Croat government...
The Nazis are back in Croatia.
And they hate:
D All of the above
Nazis, Communists, their tactics are the same as every other tyrannical movement in history...prey on the young, ignorant, uneducated, etc. to gain followers. Very sad to see so many young people fall into the trap.
Serbs, Jews & Roma (Gypsies). Muslims were their traditional ally, although they privately hate them too.
As long as the world is watching and likes Jews, they make a big display of loving Jews and Israel. But here were the words of one of this movement's "heroes":
In 1941,Mile Budak, Minister of Education and Religion of Nazi puppet state of Croatia proclaimed: "For minority Serbs, Jews and Gypsies we have 3 million bullets. Of the Serbs, we shall kill one third, we shall deport another third, and the rest of them will embrace the Roman Catholic religion... Our new Croatia will become Catholic within ten years."
See, hard core elements in Croatia still go back to the days of World War II; I found this story of not that long ago, where there fans made a “human swastika.”
That is generally true, but unfortunately in Croatia, they have managed to garner some well-educated leaders, too.
Here's the wiki bio on the father of that "nice white family" in the photo above:
Miomir uul (born 1955) is a Croatian diplomat and politician.
uul obtained a doctorate in psychology at the University of Zagreb as well as a doctorate in conflict management at the John F. Kennedy School of Government at the Harvard University.
uul was previously the foreign minister of Croatia (2003-2005), ambassador to the United States (1996-2000), deputy foreign minister (1992-1993), ambassador to the United Nations (1993-1996).
During his early diplomatic career, uul has befriended many important people in American political and business circles. As such, he was often perceived as one of the more pro-American politicians in Croatia. In early 2000s, he was one of the most trusted allies of Ivo Sanader in his struggle for the leadership of HDZ, because his support was often interpreted as the support of USA and other Western countries for future Croatian prime minister.
He was named the new foreign minister in the Ivo Sanader government in December 2003. Due to his public pro-American and pro-Israeli statements, he quickly became one of the least popular of all Sanader's ministers among increasingly anti-American Croatian public. Many didn't like his previous lobbying for Bechtel Corporation at the expense of Croatian construction companies.
In 2004 various Croatian media began to publish details of alleged corruption scandals involving uul. Although uul denied those charges, even some of Sanader's allies in Sabor expressed desire to have him removed. Sanader resisted this pressure and had uul keep his post. The Croatian Parliament cleared uul of the charges brought against him, and the majority of the media outlets that initially reported corruption allegations against uul have retracted their stories. Court cases against the rest are pending.
However, in January 2005, uul announced his resignation because he did not want to pose a burden for the Government, and formally left his post in February. Sanader's candidate Jadranka Kosor during presidential elections commented that she expected the resignation to come.
Nothing that a heavy dose of lead and explosives can’t cure.
There is a good reason why the Serbs I met in Chicago had ZERO goodwill towards the Catholic Church.
“And if some Serb political figure were caught at a goose-stepping fascist event like this one, it would have been all over the cover of Newsweek.”
I seriously doubt it. You make some excellent points in your post. Still, there are Serb racists too. The fact that there racism is of a kind that has little to do with people they actually know doesn’t quite work since that can now also be said of the YOUNG PEOPLE at the Croat concert. They have grown up in an era with few Serb neighbors. If the two girls in those photos are 16 or 17 (at most I would think) then they have probably never known Serbs in any great number.
“You need a reality check.”
No, reality and I are well acquainted, thanks. You guys, however, seem to be having a really hard time with it.
“Stuff happens more often than not at most stupid soccer matches...nothing like the hooliganism at German Turkish and British games!”
And Spain’s too. I did note that this happens all over Europe I believe. The fact that there is racism at many nation’s soccer games does not mean that the Serb’s are magically not racist.
“A totally different situation at this concert.”
“A few clowns at a soccer match versus thousands including a Croat political leader doing the goose-step...”
Doing the goosestep? Sounds like their mocking it more than anything else.
“...sanctioned by the Croat government...”
True. Then again, the recent past has shown the Serb government (Yugoslavia rump state) sanctioned some less than savory things as well, right?
“WOW!!! Big difference.”
Not really. I don’t think of any particular spot in the Balkans as particularly enlightened. Many of these little countries are less than savory in their recent histories.
So now you are an apologists for the new Ustashe.
Does this suggest that we should see additional Roman Catholic support for Croatian fascism or are you just acting alone?
What I can say about the BS you posted is that Wikipedia and the Communist party shoud not be your sources for historical person and events.
“So now you are an apologists for the new Ustashe.”
I am apologist for NEITHER the new or old Ustashe.
“Does this suggest that we should see additional Roman Catholic support for Croatian fascism or are you just acting alone?”
I am not “Roman Catholic.” I do not support fascism anywhere. And notice, I do not assume that, if you are Eastern Orthodox, that you automatically support any particular less than savory political movement in Eastern Europe. This concert is much ado about nothing. The over-reaction by several posters here does nothing but confirm that point.
Why is it that you are so determined to hide the reality of the rise of a new Ustashe?
Who’s doing the overreacting here BOZO! Your post 39 is disgusting.
Shameful hateful lies.
“What I can say about the BS you posted is that Wikipedia and the Communist party shoud not be your sources for historical person and events.”
I used neither thanks. The quote from the Serbian bishop I actually got from an article written by a half-Serb (British father, Serbian mother). I hope you remember your comment about getting info from the Communist Party the next time someone starts attacking Cardinal Stepinac. All in the interest of fairplay of course! :)
“Whos doing the overreacting here BOZO!”
Clearly you are. Look at how you are acting.
“Your post 39 is disgusting.”
Yes, it is - the content’s veracity make it so.
“Shameful hateful lies.”
No, worse - all true.
First person accounts of the genocide by Craotian Catholic fascists against Orthodox Christian Serbs.