Skip to comments.DIVERSITY ... IS NOT GOOD
Posted on 06/27/2007 6:56:14 AM PDT by rattrap
Are you into the multicultural agenda? Is the drive to diversity a big deal with you? Perhaps not. Maybe you're one of those people who actually like to judge people based on their individual personality and integrity.
A Harvard political scientist, Robert Putnam, did a little study that might interest you. His topic ... immigration and ethnic diversity. The results are shocking, not at all what he expected. In fact, the study results that this liberal, academia bed-wetter wanted to wait until after the immigration debate to publish it. Why? Because it is damaging to the pro-illegal immigration debate. Not only that, but he was scrambling to find ways to compensate for the negative effects of diversity. Are you getting this? He was afraid what right-wingers would do with the news. He had something that went against his liberal, academia beliefs and withheld the study until he could figure out a way to spin the results so as not to offend his and his liberal colleague's tender sensibilities.
OK ... gotcha. Now you're curious. You want to know what the study said, right? Putnam's study reveals that immigration and diversity not only reduce social capital between ethnic groups, but also within the groups themselves. He uses the analogy of a turtle, saying that people who live in ethnically diverse setting "hunker down." They don't assimilate. They don't embrace each other and share tortilla dinners together. They sit in front of the television and waste away .. they pull into their shells.
Putnam found that the more diverse the neighborhood, the less residents trust neighbors. In ethnically diverse cities like LA and San Francisco, 30% of people say that they trust their neighbors. In ethnically homogeneous cities, the figure is as high as 80%. Putnam says that people in diverse communities tend "to withdraw even from close friends, to expect the worst from their community and its leaders, to volunteer less, give less to charity and work on community projects less often, to register to vote less, to agitate for social reform more, but have less faith that they can actually make a difference, and to huddle unhappily in front of the television." Sounds like a neighborhood you we would all really love to live in, doesn't it? This magic ethnically diverse community that we've been hearing so much about doesn't sound like a community that is going to be all that active in government. Perhaps they don't even care about who is representing them and what issues are facing the communities in which they live.
And it doesn't matter whether they are poor communities or safe communities ... the findings are all the same. In general, Putnam found that the more people are brought into contact with another race or culture, the more they stick to their own, and the less they trust others.
This is the America that our Senate have just promoted with their amnesty bill. We're not speaking racism here. We're speaking culturalism. People tend to gravitate toward a culture they understand and are comfortable with.
Here is a study that we're probably not going to hear much about.
In a way, you’ve got to respect this guy. Although he couldn’t see what was in front of him unless he saw it through his research, he didn’t shade or flush the results.
I think it’s a bit more complicated than that. There was a book that came out, long time ago, that layed out all the various nations located within America, using the standard of nation as applies to the rest of the world. As it turned out, I think it ended up being that there were 10 nations located within America.
Most thinking people, (most of those are freepers), can see the sham of multiculturalism and diversity. When I was going to grade school, there were 2 German girls in my grade. They were strongly, very strongly encouraged to assimilate. Our human nature is very evident in kids, they haven’t learned to hide true feelings, like adults do.
When the German girls would get together, and speak German, the rest of us felt left out, and put off by their “secret code”.
If we assimilate, we all share common reference points. This makes us stronger, because then, your neighbor is also someone who is an identifiable countryman. Diversity results in a collection of unconnected individuals. Perserve your culture, practice what you wish at home, but be an American first.
We’re constantly told, “Celebrate diversity!” You don’t have to nag people to celebrate something that is good. People just naturally celebrate it.
If this thing goes through, we can look for the final BALKANIZATION of America with all the internal unrest between the various SEPARATE and UNASSIMILATED factions that entails.
I have this sneaking suspicion that this is PRECISELY what these New World Order cretins in Washington want. The ensuing civil unrest and turmoil would most likely lead to closing the net around the rest of us, declaring a National Emergency, suspending posse comitatus, collecting the firearms and...
If youre having trouble filling in the rest, study the course of virtually EVERY tyranny throughout history. Also look up Hegelian Dialectic.
And if some of you folks are not big readers, perhaps these short videos will help:
Birds of a feather . . . . That said, it is only natural and instinctive to draw closer to those with whom you have shared interests. Race will be a factor in those interests but maybe not the dominant one. If I go to a church camp and our shared interests are a closer relationship with our Creator, race would have little impact if any with the interaction. If I am in a poor neighborhood where violence is prone to happen it would be a little more in my thoughts unless I had made friends with the different ethnic groups and even then mob mentality may overrule what friendships were formed. Crowded cities are a poor melting pot.
Yup. Everytime someone asks if I speak Spanish, I say no (I do.), besides, why should I be forced to speak a foriegn language in my country?
Divide and conquer.
Not exactly new knowledge, been around a couple thousand years or so.
A tyrannical government fears most a united, po’d citizenry.
I’ve often challenged leftists to show me ONE study that demonstrates the “strength in diversity”, or ANY benefits from “diversity”.
And here we go, some leftist decided to do a study, and came up with the opposite results.
Multiculturalism, as we conservatives have always instinctively known, WEAKENS society, and assimilation strengthens it.
But, then again, every agenda of the left has the result of weakening the foundations of society. Not saying that this is their intent (though, for some, it is), but this is the result.
If you want to call a preference for your own kind “racism”, fine. The fact is, all these idiot intellectuals ignore what makes (made?) America great; the unifying factor, the “own kind” above all the ethnicities and races: being an American. The notion that one “loses” culture by assimilating is nonsense.
The liberals turned off the stove and the “melting pot” is full of oil and water instead of a nice tasty stew.
“Yup. Everytime someone asks if I speak Spanish, I say no (I do.), besides, why should I be forced to speak a foriegn language in my country?”
There’s always a backlash. I like Spanish culture. When I was in the Navy in San Diego, one of my best friends was Alex Viera. We had a great time. Spanish, being a Latin language didn’t seem so odd to me. I took French in school, (proximity to Canada, seemed wise at the time).
28 years later, I’m starting to chaffe at the Spanish being forced on us. Multi lingual signs, ballots, phone trees. Bah! Spanish language tv and radio, ESPN Desports! Grrrrr. You know, I’m not big on conspiracies, but if you divide the working class by language, they aren’t likely to unite to oppose the elite on key issues, are they?
I have no problem with Spanish people, notice they try to categorize them as “brown” people to further polarize us. I just want this to be America. Perserve OUR borders, language, and culture. If you want to be an American, and you want to assimilate, come here legally, and I’ll fight for your right to do so.
I got news for you, if they ever announced “gun confiscation” it’s going to be such a cultural affront in the South that not only will people not turn over their guns, and this is people of both races, but, you’ll see alot of violence break out.
I’ve never held to the idea that the South is permanently in the United States, and when you consider that, if you take out the Southern states, the country is predominantly blue, at some point there will be a cultural flashpoint. And just look at our experience in Iraq and Vietnam, the Soviets in Afghanistan, etc. When a country reacts to your presence as if it were an armed camp under hostile occupation, general, the occupying power retreats. Hell, the Union states actually made a deal with the South to pull out troops because they were tired of having to deal with our resistance
The rest of the country may fall, but the rest of the South will survive because we’ve always had our identity as being somewhat seperate, and I got news for you, no black in the South is going to turn guns over in a national gun confiscation order because well, it’s a common belief in the black community that the only thing that keeps them from re-enslavement is the ability to defend themselves. The story of the black man in the 1920’s, who used his shotgun to scare off the Klan, still has reverence in that community.
The rest of the nation may fall, but the South never will.
In our history, many nationalities have emigrated to the USA, and since our revolution, most did not speak English. Italians, Germans, Poles, Russians, Chinese, Japanese, even Latinos from south of the border learned English, and adopted our “American” culture, which is an off shoot of the British/Celtic cultures and Western civilization.
The big problem today is that multiculturalism has downgraded the value of our American (Western) culture and its strengths. The left actually argues that all cultures are equal and perhaps that American culture is imperialistic and evil. All cultures are not evil, and America need to foster its culture, not proliferate every third world culture.
Race is not necessarily a factor in culture, but every time I hear a rap music tune, I am reminded that there is an African-American subculture, and part of it is distasteful to me. However, in general Black Americans have adopted American culture.
The concern that I have for illegal immigration is that with the massive influx of Hispanics our country will not be able to assimilate these people, thereby creating situations like what Victor Davis Hansen called “Mexifornia” in his book. We don’t need the Canadian model where whole regions of the culture are adversarial to each other because of language and culture.
We may have 10 nations, but I have lived in six states in different parts of the country and find Americans from NY are more like Americans from Texas, Georgia, Virginia or Arizona than for example an Englishman is like a Scot, or a Castilian is like a Catalonian. If illegal immigration doesn’t change, we may be looking at Southern California as another Quebec (Hispanic style).
I feel the same way. Living in L.A., however, I can’t escape it. It’s crazy here.
So how did the "melting pot" concept come to be? That was real and historically unquestioned.
What is the essential factor missing from this summary? Perhaps there are two factors. Or three.
Where does being "in the shadows" factor into the whole enterprise? How about the nature of the "move" of cultures? How about the vetting for suitability before being allowed to emmigrate?
How about a willingness to assimilate? The conscious effort to not only move but to embrace the culture which is the destination, for whatever reason?
Legal status may be a factor. You think?
Meeting some minimum standard, or any standard at all before being allowed to join might be another.
That graphic cracks me up.
But seriously, would people care, or even NOTICE, the ethnicity of someone else if they shared the same culture and values?
There was a family in a German heritage small midwestern town that adopted a black baby girl and raised her in the community. She grew up, was raised in the same culture as everyone else, went through high school - and seriously, people didn’t even notice that she was black - to the point of being embarrassed sometimes.
It seems to be, based on the cover that they have a picture of, (also, several of the nation names are the exact same, so, I’m going to say this is it)
And having said this is it, I think it is a book everyone in America should read. I do think it oversimplifies things by not factoring in specific things in the various nations, for example, in the gulf states, the divide between the coast and the interior, but, I found it to be spot on. As someone who travels the country alot, I have often experienced culture shock.
I suspect that somewhere in the world there are a few people that don’t discriminate or have predjudices but I haven’t met them. Diversity is nothing more than camoflaged hypocrisy.
Diversity is ginned up by the radical left and swallowed by those who choose to follow its mantras.
Diversity is described as making people aware of their differences. This only serves to create tension and conflict.
It comes from the radicals who want to recreate the Marxist dialectic using racial, ethnic, religious and even “sexual orientation” differences to create conflict and bring about a new socialist society.
The conflict created by the diversity propaganda becomes a means of justifying more government power in the name of “diversity.”
At one school last year a “tolerance troupe” performed using the “N” word on stage and inciting anger in the audience of high school students. It was designed to radicalize them about “diversity.”
No nappy-headed hoes on the moon?
Texas, now that is another place as well. Texas could easily be a country on its own. Its people still think passionately about being Texans.
I use this as a bumper sticker.
Just pulled a new quarter out of my pocket, and right there at the bottom is the motto: “E Pluribus Unum.” “From Many, One.”
I am of Italian descent - 100 proof! When my families came to America they longed, with all their hearts, to become Americans.
At family gatherings, a few of us still speak a little Italian, we certainly cook Italian and look Italian!
But...we are all Americans, and very proud of it.
That national pride and love of country and a common language is the cultural glue that holds a country together.
How can it be that so many purportedly bright people, i.e., senators, cannot understand this premise?
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I’d agree about northern va, but not the others. Just because Northerners come in doesn’t mean they make it more northern. If anything, a transplant often finds he has to watch what he says unless he offend someone.
What I am saying though is, there is a weaker sense of national unity down here than the rest of the country, and I think of any region in the country, we are most likely to break off if conditions favor such an outcome. Remember, alot of northern born merchants lived down here before the first war, and we still seceded, and while they had initially opposed it, once we had made our course of action clear, they were as loyal to the cause as everyone else. And I seriously doubt any Southern black is going to cede to a federal government it’s right of basic protection, it’s just not going to happen.
“My new tagline. True and to the point. Thanks!”
Always glad to help. ;)
I live down here and agree with you.
I’ve even heard a ranking member of the police department here tell me that IF an order ever came down from “on high”to begin a weapons roundup, you’d see fistfights at and even hear gunfire from the local cop shops ‘cause a of these guys KNOW what will happen once our would-be masters have all the guns. They don’t want to be slaves either.
And if you’ve never heard him speak, go to
and scroll down to “Southern Heritage.”
Time to start up the National Social Diversity Action Party or NSDAP for short — oop wait bad idea.
There might have been Chinatowns, Italian neighborhoods and toxic neighborhoods in most major cities, but the critical part is that the overwhelming majority of all those ethnic or national groups were scattered throughout the population. Still are.
That is why the concept of "Americans" is possible. Otherwise we would all today be described by our tribal past. Silly season.
Without some strong easily perceived physical differences, most Americans are indistinguishable from one another; language, customs and attitude is what binds them together as a whole, greater than the sum of its parts.
It takes a conscious decision NOT to assimilate; Conversely, it takes not only a conscious decision but effort to assimilate. If one is treated as a helpless savage unable to care for oneself and treated as a pet, the dark side of human nature takes over.
If I can survive with no effort, and I am told that I am just as good and valuable as people who actually are, why should I seek change in myself?
They also fear an intelligent society which begins to ask questions.
Diversity is good when your in the food court at the mall.
“Multiculturalism, as we conservatives have always instinctively known, WEAKENS society, and assimilation strengthens it.”
Many races? Fine.
Many cultures? Real bad idea.
One is diversity within a culture, which is good. That is what the “melting pot” is all about. Americans are the most natural at this kind of diversity. Like the Borg from Star Trek, when we encounter a new culture, we absorb the parts that are good and reject the parts we already excel in. For example, keeping regular schedules (like the Brits and Germans) while eating a wide variety of foods (like most Italians and southern French).
The second kind of diversity, and the one the liberal media and academic world has been push for 40 years, is diversity of cultures. They try to turn the “melting pot” into the stew, where everyone keeps their own identity. That is a failure and has become known as “Balkanization”. It will never work because as long as you identify with a group that is outside the main culture, you will always be (Surprise!) an outsider.
In a country where a man named Schneider goes to a Thai restuarant and is served food cooked by a Mexican immigrant by a girl whose last name is McAllen, you can't tell me that we aren't diverse enough.
“I have no problem with Spanish people, notice they try to categorize them as brown people to further polarize us. I just want this to be America. Perserve OUR borders, language, and culture. If you want to be an American, and you want to assimilate, come here legally, and Ill fight for your right to do so.”
As a youth, I spent many summers on a ranch in Central Mexico.
I learned to love the Mexican culture and people, and I still do.
That said, I am vehemently opposed to amnesty for illegal aliens, and it makes me want to scream when some SOB insinuates that I am racist or bigoted because I oppose it.
I don’t care if the illegals are 5’9’’ Blonde Swedes, amnesty is a BAD IDEA.
It rewards the breaking of laws in a nation whose society is based on the rule of law.
and grass is green . . . the sky is blue . . .
“I dont care if the illegals are 59 Blonde Swedes, amnesty is a BAD IDEA.
It rewards the breaking of laws in a nation whose society is based on the rule of law.”
Don’t get hasty now!!!!!
Just kidding, I agree 100%
Disagree - “diversity” is good; multiculturalism blows.
You know when that started to be pushed real hard and became the new mantra? Shortly after the 1965 Immigration Act(Teddy had his hands in on that one too) which dramatically changed the demographic and country of origin selection process. Slowly at first but by the 1970's it was everywhere.
>The rest of the nation may fall, but the South never will.<
Look around. How many non-natives do you see in the south? We’re being assimilated by the New York Borg, both retirees and the young. Heck, the Californians are on the move, and they’re not settling in South Dakota.
They want to bring the north and its liberalism right along with them.
I'm sure that's the book the poster was referring to. I read it when it first came out - it's right on the mark. The books geographical divisions are much more realistic than state lines. Northern Indiana and Ohio have much more in common with Southern Michigan than the southern sections of those states have much more in common with Kentucky & Tennessee than they do with the northern parts of those states.
Do yourself a favor and read this book - its very interesting.